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I was referring to the manual iris mode

Yes I have seen the 760ES mentioned in some IMAX literature but the official Sony And IMAX releases I believe only mention this years model.
The 760 is a current model that all of this years units are based on and thus SHOULD get the same treatment as them. BUT, this is Sony and the real world, so we all know how that will go.....

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From the IMAX Enahnced website:

What makes an IMAX Enhanced TV different from a regular 4K UHD TV?
IMAX Enhanced displays must meet additional requirements over and above what most 4K UHD TVs deliver today in order to receive the IMAX Enhanced program certification.
The IMAX Enhanced program features the best displays that meet the program’s standards across proper calibration, resolution, color, brightness, contrast, scale of image and sound capabilities. The carefully prescribed set of the highest audio and video specifications are defined by a certification committee of IMAX and DTS engineers and Hollywood’s leading technical specialists to ensure the devices that feature the IMAX Enhanced logo deliver flawless playback of picture and sound as the filmmakers intended.

So, if as has been mentioned by some, if this needs no certification badge or extra mode, then Sony are just whistling in the wind at the moment and saying just whatever they goddamn please. As usual!

It also is going to be a complete non starter as a 'standard' if just about anything can be claimed to meet the IMAX enhanced criteria, but bear no testimony to that fact in any way, shape or form.

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Thanks . If you try Daredevil S2E13 through your Lumagen Pro with intensity mapping on (not the very latest release as that has a workaround, needs to be October 2018 or earlier) I know that one show the glitching audio every 30s and the luminance jumps every time the metadata ends up either side of the intensity mapping threshold point you have set (so might not be every 30s, but will be at some multiple of).

We might all be chasing something moot anyhow if Apple have worked out what they've been doing wrong since at least April and there is a fix in the works as @joerod suggests. That would be the best option possible as none of the workarounds you could do actually get you where you want to be - that is receiving valid and correct to the content metadata.

I know you are also in many "circles of trust" so I guess there is always the possibility you have the update @joerod is talking about without knowing about it?
I don't have any special firmware, only the standard release on the ATV. I will try some of these episodes today though and see what happens when fed directly into the Sony.
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From the IMAX Enahnced website:

What makes an IMAX Enhanced TV different from a regular 4K UHD TV?
IMAX Enhanced displays must meet additional requirements over and above what most 4K UHD TVs deliver today in order to receive the IMAX Enhanced program certification.
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So, if as has been mentioned by some, if this needs no certification badge or extra mode, then Sony are just whistling in the wind at the moment and saying just whatever they goddamn please. As usual!

It also is going to be a complete non starter as a 'standard' if just about anything can be claimed to meet the IMAX enhanced criteria, but bear no testimony to that fact in any way, shape or form.
That might be over generalizing it a bit. I could see them adding a picture mode at some point that simply turns on or off the features that IMAX wants (similar to THX modes having all "processing" modes off), but again, Sony made no mention of this at their event and simply said that ALL of their 4K projectors were certified for IMAX. This could also mean that IMAX stipulates that any "IMAX certified" display device has to be native 4K, as this would provide the best playback potential for future 4K IMAX titles. I'm sure at some point all the marketing hoopla will finally be released and we'll see what it truly is or isn't. Honestly, I'm not that interested. I'm expecting it to be re-releases of titles that were done with IMAX scenes that will now have the shifting aspect ratio (which I don't care about) and newly cooked audio. I'll definitely give it a shot when titles come out, but I'm certainly not going to change my audio processor for it.
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My ATV iTunes dropout issue happened with movies like Hereditary, Jurassic World 2,
Uncle Drew as well as other HDR 4K titles. Only from iTunes though not when we would use Vudu which has been my main choice now for HDR10, Atmos movies. It happened only with Sony projectors. Even the newest. We own three ATV 4Ks and I tried all of them before I started working closely with Apple. Anyway, the dropouts are consistent and happen at the same moment every time. Again there is great hope these days. I still only test my previous purchases and won’t get a new release for guests to view with iTunes. Not until we are out of the woods. All the way.


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My ATV iTunes dropout issue happened with movies like Hereditary, Jurassic World 2,
Uncle Drew as well as other HDR 4K titles. Only from iTunes though not when we would use Vudu which has been my main choice now for HDR10, Atmos movies. It happened only with Sony projectors. Even the newest. We own three ATV 4Ks and I tried all of them before I started working closely with Apple. Anyway, the dropouts are consistent and happen at the same moment every time. Again there is great hope these days. I still only test my previous purchases and won’t get a new release for guests to view with iTunes. Not until we are out of the woods. All the way.

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I have JW2 if you tell me the spot last that constantly trip I can test with the 995 to see if it does the same.

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I'll try those shows tomorrow and see if there is any difference with those.

I have the ATV plugged into my AVM-60 and then directly to the projector. The AVM is a pure passthru (does zero to the input signal), I'm just using it for switching. My Radiance is out of the system while I test, all sources are direct (presently ATV4K, Oppo 205 in source direct, Xbox One X).
Thanks [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]. If you try Daredevil S2E13 through your Lumagen Pro with intensity mapping on (not the very latest release as that has a workaround, needs to be October 2018 or earlier) I know that one show the glitching audio every 30s and the luminance jumps every time the metadata ends up either side of the intensity mapping threshold point you have set (so might not be every 30s, but will be at some multiple of).

You can see I did a couple of videos here:

We might all be chasing something moot anyhow if Apple have worked out what they've been doing wrong since at least April and there is a fix in the works as @joerod suggests. That would be the best option possible as none of the workarounds you could do actually get you where you want to be - that is receiving valid and correct to the content metadata.

I know you are also in many "circles of trust" so I guess there is always the possibility you have the update @joerod is talking about without knowing about it?
Looked at this specific episode feeding thru my AVM60 and then directly to projector (no Radiance). No video or audio issues at all so far and I’m more than ten minutes in. Standard firmware on the ATV. Running 4K SDR with match dynamic range and frame rate both on. So feeding HDR for this show into the Sony (confirmed in input screen).
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I have JW2 if you tell me the spot last that constantly trip I can test with the 995 to see if it does the same.
I am not at home at the moment to look at my notes but I am positive it is in the first 5 to 10 minutes. It is a quick drop and the HDMI input will flick on and then off. I believe it is when Claire is in her building and they are all making calls. Close to the beginning.


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Looked at this specific episode feeding thru my AVM60 and then directly to projector (no Radiance). No video or audio issues at all so far and I’m more than ten minutes in. Standard firmware on the ATV. Running 4K SDR with match dynamic range and frame rate both on. So feeding HDR for this show into the Sony (confirmed in input screen).
Sounds like Sony might have made some improvements there then perhaps. I couldn't actually understand why they were having an issue given they don't actually do anything useful with the metadata... Thanks for testing it
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I watched the whole opening sequence of Jurassic World 2 with no issues, but I didn't get to the point where they are in the office, just the stuff on the island. No issues there, but I'll watch the whole office sequence and see if something happens.

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I watched the whole opening sequence of Jurassic World 2 with no issues, but I didn't get to the point where they are in the office, just the stuff on the island. No issues there, but I'll watch the whole office sequence and see if something happens.
If you do not see a problem on the 995, would be interesting if you see a problem, when using the 885.
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Made the mistake of going to view this projector at my local specialist installer. Dedicated room, nice big Studiotek 130 screen, my god what a picture. Absolutely beautiful. So sharp, so clear, looked like a giant OLED on the wall. Contrast was to die for and the blacks were absolutely amazing. Currently building a dedicated room, it was a big dumb mistake to go and view it.
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Made the mistake of going to view this projector at my local specialist installer. Dedicated room, nice big Studiotek 130 screen, my god what a picture. Absolutely beautiful. So sharp, so clear, looked like a giant OLED on the wall. Contrast was to die for and the blacks were absolutely amazing. Currently building a dedicated room, it was a big dumb mistake to go and view it.
Oh! come on now...you know you want to!
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Made the mistake of going to view this projector at my local specialist installer. Dedicated room, nice big Studiotek 130 screen, my god what a picture. Absolutely beautiful. So sharp, so clear, looked like a giant OLED on the wall. Contrast was to die for and the blacks were absolutely amazing. Currently building a dedicated room, it was a big dumb mistake to go and view it.
You could buy a Tesla Model 3 with this kind of money...

But damnit, I want one! (both a tesla and this projector)
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Still no first impressions or reviews (except for the one above) and the projector is already selling? When is ARROW-AV review coming?

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I am hoping to have my Review done soon. Busy time of year for my “real” job but will burn candles at both ends per usual.

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Oh! come on now...you know you want to!

Oh I absolutely want to buy it. To the point where I am no longer doing a riser and two rows of seating, will save me $8k in building materials and another $5k in seating. That $13k will be added to the projector budget.


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Yeah, not in NZ.
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But damnit, I want one! (both a tesla and this projector)
Not the one my wife just got.. lol. Or maybe it will be after the "savings" she will get.
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Made the mistake of going to view this projector at my local specialist installer. Dedicated room, nice big Studiotek 130 screen, my god what a picture. Absolutely beautiful. So sharp, so clear, looked like a giant OLED on the wall. Contrast was to die for and the blacks were absolutely amazing. Currently building a dedicated room, it was a big dumb mistake to go and view it.
How big was the screen? I also have a studiotek 130 screen, 11 ft wide and an considering this PJ
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How big was the screen? I also have a studiotek 130 screen, 11 ft wide and an considering this PJ

****, I want say 130/135 somewhere around there.
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Not the one my wife just got.. lol. Or maybe it will be after the "savings" she will get.
Wow! your wife has a Tesla? Super awesome! I am waiting for Tesla to launch in my country... meanwhile i'll just drive my current car till it stop moving...

BTW: The 35K Tesla is on the way though... and after just 6 years of use, the price / maintenance will equal a Honda Civic... after that it's really cost savings all the way...
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Still no first impressions or reviews (except for the one above) and the projector is already selling? When is ARROW-AV review coming?
Mine arrives this week. Can’t wait!
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Indeed. I, as you, had a 90ES for 5 years and after 2500 hours still looked great.

My VW50 before it had really bad degradation though (big green push and purple corners) and that was (thankfully) fixed under warranty.
My 95ES has about 1200 hours, I’ve had it for 4 years and it has no issues. Has worked flawlessly. More than I can say for the Panasonic and Epson projectors I had before this.
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Most everyone who's opinion I respect says that the laser light engines can't be replaced or that they could be replaced but it would cost more than a new projector.

I use my home theater as my only media room. We watch all of our television, movies, play games on the projector. I had about 2700 hours on my Sony 385 bulb at one year that I just replaced. So yeah, I use my projector a lot. So in my case, I would only get about 5 years of adequate light output out of the current lasers from Sony. After that period the projector would only be good as a paper weight. Spending $25K - $35K every 5 years just doesn't make sense.
I think your math is off, or you’re trying to rationalize why a laser projector won’t be suitable for you. Sony says the laser in the 995ES will have a life of 20,000 hours. That’s 7.4 years given your stated 2700 hours of use per year. Do you *really* watch almost 8 hours of video content each day, 365 days a year?! When do you have time to work ?

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I think your math is off, or you’re trying to rationalize why a laser projector won’t be suitable for you. Sony says the laser in the 995ES will have a life of 20,000 hours. That’s 7.4 years given your stated 2700 hours of use per year. Do you *really* watch almost 8 hours of video content each day, 365 days a year?! When do you have time to work ?
I was assuming that the 20,000 hours was on low laser and that it was a half life prediction. However, I would use a lot of high lamp for my situation with HDR material which means it might not make the full 20,000 hours. Besides half brightness might be too dim for me to be of reasonable use.

Yes, I put about 2700 hours a year. Like I said it is a TV replacement. I am not the only one who watches it. We game on it. We watch TV on it. We watch movies. etc. Generally it goes on around 6:30 or 7:00 PM and I usually shut it off about 1:00 or 1:30 AM. On Weekends & holidays it runs most of the day.

I work from home. My wife doesn't work. She will occasionally watch it during the day. Sometimes I have it on while I am working.
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And why would you do that?
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I think your math is off, or you’re trying to rationalize why a laser projector won’t be suitable for you. Sony says the laser in the 995ES will have a life of 20,000 hours. That’s 7.4 years given your stated 2700 hours of use per year. Do you *really* watch almost 8 hours of video content each day, 365 days a year?! When do you have time to work ?
On top of that, I don't believe Sony's 20,000 hours. They said their lamps last 6,000 hours on low lamp. I ran my 675ES on low lamp and the bulb took a crap, hard, at 880 hours. My friend's 285ES (also a 6000 hour bulb) had to be replaced at 2200 hours it was about 40% of capacity. Based on Sony's lying ratings on their bulbs, I can extrapolate that its laser will last about 10,000 hours. Most owners probably wont even get that far. I would. I am another 2800 hour a year user. Projector is generally on from 10pm to 6am every day and then sometimes during the day if I do some development work.
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On top of that, I don't believe Sony's 20,000 hours. They said their lamps last 6,000 hours on low lamp. I ran my 675ES on low lamp and the bulb took a crap, hard, at 880 hours. My friend's 285ES (also a 6000 hour bulb) had to be replaced at 2200 hours it was about 40% of capacity. Based on Sony's lying ratings on their bulbs, I can extrapolate that its laser will last about 10,000 hours. Most owners probably wont even get that far. I would. I am another 2800 hour a year user. Projector is generally on from 10pm to 6am every day and then sometimes during the day if I do some development work.
I haven't found a lamp yet - not Sony, not SIM2, not JVC, not Digital Projection, not Optoma, that comes anywhere the " rated hours " and is still bright enough.
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I think I'll grow a Santa beard by the time those reviews are finally appearing...
It is odd that nothing has even been found on the various European sites. Hopefully S&V will push Kris' review online rather than waiting for print.
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