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SONY VPL-VW870ES VPL-VW995ES 4K Laser Projector | Anticipation Thread

Hi everyone,

This thread relates to the upcoming launch by SONY of the new SONY VPL-VW870ES (UK/Europe model number) VPL-VW???ES (USA model number to be confirmed) 4K Laser Projector, which is to be announced at IFA 2018 in Berlin and CEDIA 2018 in San Diego

Initial indicative information (yet to be definitively confirmed) as per follows:

• To sit above the SONY VPL-VW760/885ES and below the SONY 5000ES

• Dual Contrast

• The same ARC-F lens as on the SONY 5000ES; possible with additional lens options

• Dynamic Iris

• Native 4K

• Higher light output as compared with the SONY VPL-VW760/885ES --> I am guessing circa 3,000 lumens

• To be priced similar to the JVC RS4500/Z1


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I haven't heard about this roumer/indicative information until i saw this thread, great news Arrow! Looks like IFA and CEDIA will be exciting this year.
I am not all updated on the laser front for projector, "Dual laser" in practical terms meaning ?

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Well... dual laser - enough horsepower for a 14' screen (with DCR Panamorph)?

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If it sits below the 5000ES but has the same lens, then what could possibly be worse than the 5000ES? Just slightly lower lumens? But the dual laser engine sounds like it might allow full DCI-P3 coverage without light loss. So won't Sony have to update the 5000ES with a dual laser engine, as well, otherwise who's going to buy a 5000ES?
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I´d add "whisper quiet" @3000+++ lumens to that wishlist... Z1 / RS4500 is a great projector too, but unless you have a separate technical room, you would never be able to run it near it´s peak light output due to quite excessive noise @ higher laser levels. As Sony lasers seems to require "full blast" to provide maximum contrast it´s even more important that it runs kinda quiet even at higher laser levels.

In any case it´s pleasing to see that things are moving forward, although perhaps not quite at the phase (or price) I´d hope for... Another 35k Sony is indeed entertaining, but won´t help much in terms of general HT projection sales. Even more important than ever due to TVs getting larger and microLED making it´s approach; projector tech needs some revolutionary stuff tickling down to the "consumer" (albeit hi-end) level - such as the light steering from Barco - dual "contrast" chip and/or true RGB laser without speckle - at a price sub 10k USD...

Looking forward to CEDIA nonetheless, and hoping for 3500 (actual) lumens from this one @ DCI 100% AND <27dB @ 95% laser... And iris + at least 10k:1 native...
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Give me a break, Lygren. It will probably end up at 10k euros on that side of the Atlantic.

Of course, it will probably be marked up over retail in the US.
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I think its great with new laser models being released by Sony, but it also reminds me of the degradation of the SXRD panels that has followed Sony projectors...is this a thing of the past ?

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I notice that you list a 'Dynamic Iris' on your proposed specs.
I presume you didn't mean manual iris?

Assuming that it is true, is this something that they have (or can get) working well with the dynamic dimming on these machines?

If it is true and they can get/have got a working system, then the software concerned could (I presume) easily be carried over to the 760 as all the hardware is in place.

It is a feature I know many would welcome on the current model.

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I notice that you list a 'Dynamic Iris' on your proposed specs.
I presume you didn't mean manual iris?

Assuming that it is true, is this something that they have (or can get) working well with the dynamic dimming on these machines?

If it is true and they can get/have got a working system, then the software concerned could (I presume) easily be carried over to the 760 as all the hardware is in place.

It is a feature I know many would welcome on the current model.

Excited to find out what this new machine is all about and can bring to the table.
Correct. I did not mean manual iris.

With respect to whether or not there is good dynamic contrast funtionality, if it is indeed sporting a dyanamic iris, then one would hope so

I do not believe that this will be the same as the manual iris on the 760/885; and if it also has a manual iris I hope that it is not the one on the 760/885 either, because that is not a very good manual iris.


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I notice that you list a 'Dynamic Iris' on your proposed specs.
I presume you didn't mean manual iris?

Assuming that it is true, is this something that they have (or can get) working well with the dynamic dimming on these machines?

If it is true and they can get/have got a working system, then the software concerned could (I presume) easily be carried over to the 760 as all the hardware is in place.

It is a feature I know many would welcome on the current model. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]

Excited to find out what this new machine is all about and can bring to the table.
Correct. I did not mean manual iris.

With respect to whether or not there is good dynamic contrast funtionality, if it is indeed sporting a dyanamic iris, then one would hope so [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]

I do not believe that this will be the same as the manual iris on the 760; and if it also has a manual iris I hope that it is not the one on the 760 either, because that is not a very good manual iris.

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But why a dynamic Iris instead of laser dimming? I love the laser dimming, it's very agile with no noise whatsoever.

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But why a dynamic Iris instead of laser dimming? I love the laser dimming, it's very agile with no noise whatsoever.
The laser dimming, aside from doing fade to black, currently does very little to improve contrast performance with respect to actual video content. For example, the measured difference in peak sequential ON/OFF contrast is only circa 23,000:1 as compared with circa 15,000 - 17,000:1 with the SONY 885/760ES

It's possible that SONY has implemented a dynamic iris in addition to the laser dimming, not instead of; which if they have, should see a very significant increase in contrast performance. Many AV professionals have been lobbying SONY for a long while now to improve the dynamic contrast functionality with respect to its laser projectors, myself included. If SONY has indeed finally implemented a dynamic iris then this is excellent news!

That said, please note that none of this is definitively confirmed yet, so we shall have to wait and see. Not long now; only 18 days...

I would expect it still does full fade to black via laser dimming.

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The laser dimming, aside from doing fade to black, currently does very little to improve contrast performance with respect to actual video content. For example, the measured difference in peak sequential ON/OFF contrast is only circa 23,000:1 as compared with circa 15,000 - 17,000:1 with the SONY 885/760ES

It's possible that SONY has implemented a dynamic iris in addition to the laser dimming, not instead of; which if they have, should see a very significant increase in contrast performance. Many AV professionals have been lobbying SONY for a long while now to improve the dynamic contrast functionality with respect to its laser projectors, myself included. If SONY has indeed finally implemented a dynamic iris then this is excellent news!

That said, please note that none of this is definitively confirmed yet, so we shall have to wait and see. Not long now; only 18 days...

I would expect it still does full fade to black via laser dimming.

Hey Arrow, it does a lot more for me than just full fade to black.

I was under the impression you said earlier that the dimming does work, but not strong enough. Or are you saying that the dimming itself is not increasing contrast performance?
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if it also has a manual iris I hope that it is not the one on the 760/885 either, because that is not a very good manual iris.
How can we know it isn't a good manual iris? It isn't working in that way currently.

When it does operate at power on, it cuts out nearly all of the light and it physically looks (when closed) the same as the one on my 550, i.e. same number of blades etc, which was very effective.

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Hey Arrow, it does a lot more for me than just full fade to black.

I was under the impression you said earlier that the dimming does work, but not strong enough. Or are you saying that the dimming itself is not increasing contrast performance?
I didn't say it only does full fade to black and nothing else... I said: "aside from doing fade to black, currently does very little to improve contrast performance with respect to actual video content", which is absolutely correct. It's comparatively very weak, so does very little. Even SONY themselves has said "some people may not notice much of a change". Specifically, it yields only a circa 30-40% increase in contrast performance.

That said, this is not necessarily a criticism of SONY, in that I expect that the SONY engineers simply found that making it stronger than it is results in manifestation of visible pumping and artifacts, so it's probably achieving the most it can achieve without doing so. Also bear in mind that when lowering the laser level setting on the SONY 760/885ES the ON/OFF contrast in fact reduces by up to 25%. This will be offsetting whatever increase is created via dynamic laser dimming, resulting in the net increase in ON/OFF contrast performance of only circa 30-40%.

With the addition of a dynamic iris we should hopefully be seeing a circa 4-10 times / 400 - 1000% increase as compared with the native ON/OFF performance. Therefore, I am hoping to be seeing with the new SONY 870/???ES peak ON/OFF contrast performance, with the dynamic contrast functionality, of at least circa 150,000 - 170,000:1; as compared with 23,000:1 on the SONY 760/885ES

This is how the SONY 550/675ES is able to achieve superior peak ON/OFF contrast performance (circa 70,000:1) as compared with the SONY 760/885ES (circa 23,000:1), despite measuring lower native ON/OFF contrast


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Hey Arrow, it does a lot more for me than just full fade to black.

I was under the impression you said earlier that the dimming does work, but not strong enough. Or are you saying that the dimming itself is not increasing contrast performance?
I find that it is pretty effective too, but I know the full potential of this machine has not been realised.

As the new model coming out is touted to have dual lasers and will doubtless be more expensive than the 760, I can see no reason not to bring any relevant contrast and performance improvements over to the 760 for the benefit of the many customers that have already invested.
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This is how the SONY 550/675ES is able to achieve superior peak ON/OFF contrast performance (circa 70,000:1) as compared with the SONY 760/885ES (circa 23,000:1), despite measuring lower native ON/OFF contrast

All the more reason to boost the 760 with some software steroids. There is no way it should perform worse than a lower model by any metric.
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How can we know it isn't a good manual iris? It isn't working in that way currently.

When it does operate at power on, it cuts out nearly all of the light and it physically looks (when closed) the same as the one on my 550, i.e. same number of blades etc, which was very effective.

Mine is also very smooth and quiet in operation.
You are absolutely correct. We don't. It might be a mechanical iris used in conjunction with laser dimming. That's precisely how the JVC RS4500/Z1 operates, via which it is able to achieve peak ON/OFF contrast performance measuring circa 150,000:1

I have simply reported the words stated by the folks from SONY, namely "a dynamic iris". Precisely what they mean by that we won't know for sure until IFA and CEDIA.

Don't worry, I will be posting on here the fully comprehensive details including all technicial information on the morning of 31st August, live from IFA 2018 in Berlin. It's only in 18 days' time so we won't have long to wait to find out precisely what's what in this regard

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You are absolutely correct. We don't. It might be a mechanical iris used in conjunction with laser dimming. That's precisely how the JVC RS4500/Z1 operates, via which it is able to achieve peak ON/OFF contrast performance measuring circa 150,000:1

I have simply reported the words stated by the folks from SONY, namely "a dynamic iris". Precisely what they mean by that we won't know for sure until IFA and CEDIA.

Don't worry, I will be posting on here the fully comprehensive details including all technicial information on the morning of 31st August, live from IFA 2018 in Berlin. It's only in 18 days' time so we won't have long to wait to find out precisely what's what in this regard

18 days.... 18 years.... all seems the same at the moment!
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All the more reason to boost the 760 with some software steroids. There is no way it should perform worse than a lower model by any metric.
I agree, however, I think SONY's view is that the SONY 760/885ES is already a great projector that is a huge success and selling by the bucketloads, so don't consider there to be the need to invest further R&D resources into making a great projector even better

Also, there is the marketing perspective that there needs to be a significant step up in performance with respect to the new SONY 870/???ES as compared with the 760/885ES in order to motivate people to buy the more expensive model. These sorts of marketing tactics are employed all the time. Take NVIDIA graphics cards for example, where these are deliberately designed not to deliver 100% of the maximum potential performance capability; or else folks would not buy the more expensive Quadro graphics cards

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Also, there is the marketing perspective that there needs to be a significant step up in performance with respect to the new SONY 870/???ES as compared with the 760/885ES in order to motivate people to buy the more expensive model.
By that logic, the 550 should not produce a higher contrast image than the 760, but it does. They have a lower model in the 550 that outperforms the model above by some margin, therefore it doesn't make sense. The laser engine alone might be deemed by them to be the major step up but if the picture produced is inferior contrast wise then again, we are at the mercy of the marketing suits. Also, the laser in the 760 is essentially just a more stable light source that allows a moderately higher colour volume.

The dual laser, higher lumens and better lens are the USP and step up for the new model, and the current one could and should be boosted a little software wise to widen the gap between the 550 and itself and with all the new features on the new model, the 760 won't eat into that market anyway due to the cost difference.
They will sell fewer 870's than 760's, so why not boost the 760 a bit to allow it to reach its full potential? It still will not affect the market the new model will be in as it still won't close the performance gap enough to do so. People who can afford the new model will not want the 760 as it will still be a lower performing model than the new one. But by the same token, owners of the 760 will rejoice in Sony giving them a nice little boost to get the machine working as it can and should do.

JVC have apparently sold way more Z1's than they ever thought. Imagine the backlash if they had taken the line of 'well it is selling great so nothing needs fixing'.
They have stepped up and applied numerous performance tweaks and enhancements to that model. Good on them!!

Also, the 760 has sold well because it was the only 'affordable' native laser 4K model around at the time and also due to the unusually moderate cost in the UK (amazing in itself!).
Saying it is selling well because its performance is good enough, is not correct. There was simply no alternative if you wanted 4K motionflow and decent lumens.

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Tell me about it!
The difference however being, that graphics cards can be (and are) readily modded/hacked by the enthusiast fraternity. People can subsequently alter the BIOS/UEFI and activate features after purchase if they are prepared to take the risk.
The same cannot be said for AV kit where you are entirely at the mercy of manufacturers for any improvements and updates.

Also Quadro cards have optimised pipelines for CAD etc, which is also why the new Volta architecture has not come to Gaming as it is heavily optimised at the hardware level for AI and data centres and suchlike.
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I agree, however, I think SONY's view is that the SONY 760/885ES is already a great projector that is a huge success and selling by the bucketloads, so don't consider there to be the need to invest further R&D resources into making a great projector even better

Reading that again, to me it says, 'damn this thing is selling well, all the more reason to put a bit of R&D into small but effective improvements'. A-La JVC.

Also, as has been mentioned somewhere, the software on these devices is going to be very, very similar. So any R&D done on new models could be easily ported down to current units with relatively little effort.

So the investment in R&D is essentially unchanged and ongoing anyway.
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I notice that you list a 'Dynamic Iris' on your proposed specs.
I presume you didn't mean manual iris?

Assuming that it is true, is this something that they have (or can get) working well with the dynamic dimming on these machines?

If it is true and they can get/have got a working system, then the software concerned could (I presume) easily be carried over to the 760 as all the hardware is in place.

It is a feature I know many would welcome on the current model.

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Since the dynamic dimming can only get to about 50% power, it seems there's plenty for a dynamic iris to do along side of dynamic dimming.
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Also, as has been mentioned somewhere, the software on these devices is going to be very, very similar. So any R&D done on new models could be easily ported down to current units with relatively little effort.

So the investment in R&D is essentially unchanged and ongoing anyway.
This is correct. The process would cost them very little in my opinion. If they get it working great on the 870, it probably only be a couple man days for 1 engineer to get something in place for the 885es using the same code. They probably won't do it anyway.
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By that logic, the 550 should not produce a higher contrast image than the 760, but it does. They have a lower model in the 550 that outperforms the model above by some margin, therefore it doesn't make sense. The laser engine alone might be deemed by them to be the major step up but if the picture produced is inferior contrast wise then again, we are at the mercy of the marketing suits. Also, the laser in the 760 is essentially just a more stable light source that allows a moderately higher colour volume.

The dual laser, higher lumens and better lens are the USP and step up for the new model, and the current one could and should be boosted a little software wise to widen the gap between the 550 and itself and with all the new features on the new model, the 760 won't eat into that market anyway due to the cost difference.
They will sell fewer 870's than 760's, so why not boost the 760 a bit to allow it to reach its full potential? It still will not affect the market the new model will be in as it still won't close the performance gap enough to do so. People who can afford the new model will not want the 760 as it will still be a lower performing model than the new one. But by the same token, owners of the 760 will rejoice in Sony giving them a nice little boost to get the machine working as it can and should do.

JVC have apparently sold way more Z1's than they ever thought. Imagine the backlash if they had taken the line of 'well it is selling great so nothing needs fixing'.
They have stepped up and applied numerous performance tweaks and enhancements to that model. Good on them!!

Also, the 760 has sold well because it was the only 'affordable' native laser 4K model around at the time and also due to the unusually moderate cost in the UK (amazing in itself!).
Saying it is selling well because its performance is good enough, is not correct. There was simply no alternative if you wanted 4K motionflow and decent lumens.
I don't disagree. I simply think that's SONYs perspective. Personally, I'd love for SONY to enhance the performance of the SONY 885/760ES via both enabling usage of the mechanical iris that's already built-in but currently is disabled; and strengthen the dynamic dimming functionality; and change the factory default settings such that the projector is able to resolve native 4K content fully at the pixel level out of the box, and such that the uniformity issues that are potentially experienced with the fact default settings don't occur. Wherein, I heavily lobbied SONY to carry out these upgrades via simple firmware update, but the response was 'NO'.

I'd also love for SONY to reduce the price of the 885/760ES in the United States, when the 870/???ES is released, to being the same price as the rest of the world, namely 15,000 bucks as opposed to 25,000. However, this may be wishful thinking...

Incidentally, I provided similar feedback to JVC regarding the RS4500/Z1 shortly prior to the product launch, regarding a number of issues, upon having evaluated the initial production units; and JVC not only listened, but implemented corresponding fixes and/or improvements within circa 5-6 weeks following, via a firmware update. Totally different mentality.

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Reading that again, to me it says, 'damn this thing is selling well, all the more reason to put a bit of R&D into small but effective improvements'. A-La JVC.

Also, as has been mentioned somewhere, the software on these devices is going to be very, very similar. So any R&D done on new models could be easily ported down to current units with relatively little effort.

So the investment in R&D is essentially unchanged and ongoing anyway.
Arch, I think you're looking at it from the wrong way around to understand what motivates Sony. Now this model has been announced, we actually have an answer (though we may not like it) as to why the iris on our 760's is DOA - this new model was already on the road map, and Sony needed something to differentiate it from other models - the use of the iris is one of those things. For that reason I don't think we're ever going to see any update on the 760/885.

The Dual Laser point is a surprise - though I will still wait for Nigel to get full confirmation that it is actually Red/Blue, rather than just 2 x blue modules, my gut suspects the latter.

The rest of it is not really a surprise though; they needed to fill the gap between the 5000ES and the 760ES, so what better to do than to take the 760ES, add the better lens from the 5000ES, double up the laser modules to provide more light output, and add a DI so that the RS4500 does not have any obvious paper advantage.

As always . . . maybe I'm just an old sceptic!
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I think its great with new laser models being released by Sony, but it also reminds me of the degradation of the SXRD panels that has followed Sony projectors...is this a thing of the past ?
Supposedly it is a thing of the past. The only model I ever saw it on was my VW50 from 2006.

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I didn't say it only does full fade to black and nothing else... I said: "aside from doing fade to black, currently does very little to improve contrast performance with respect to actual video content", which is absolutely correct. It's comparatively very weak, so does very little. Even SONY themselves has said "some people may not notice much of a change". Specifically, it yields only a circa 30-40% increase in contrast performance.

That said, this is not necessarily a criticism of SONY, in that I expect that the SONY engineers simply found that making it stronger than it is results in manifestation of visible pumping and artifacts, so it's probably achieving the most it can achieve without doing so. Also bear in mind that when lowering the laser level setting on the SONY 760/885ES the ON/OFF contrast in fact reduces by up to 25%. This will be offsetting whatever increase is created via dynamic laser dimming, resulting in the net increase in ON/OFF contrast performance of only circa 30-40%.

With the addition of a dynamic iris we should hopefully be seeing a circa 4-10 times / 400 - 1000% increase as compared with the native ON/OFF performance. Therefore, I am hoping to be seeing with the new SONY 870/???ES peak ON/OFF contrast performance, with the dynamic contrast functionality, of at least circa 150,000 - 170,000:1; as compared with 23,000:1 on the SONY 760/885ES

This is how the SONY 550/675ES is able to achieve superior peak ON/OFF contrast performance (circa 70,000:1) as compared with the SONY 760/885ES (circa 23,000:1), despite measuring lower native ON/OFF contrast

No it's not about criticism on the VW885ES.

I am just against using too many mechnical components, these are susceptible to wear and tear, and also of course need speed to perform well, which causes noise. I find laser dimming a far more elegant solution for this kind of thing. Of course, having a manual aperature is a good idea, I just don't understand why you would want a dynamic one.

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Arch, I think you're looking at it from the wrong way around to understand what motivates Sony. Now this model has been announced, we actually have an answer (though we may not like it) as to why the iris on our 760's is DOA - this new model was already on the road map, and Sony needed something to differentiate it from other models - the use of the iris is one of those things. For that reason I don't think we're ever going to see any update on the 760/885.

The Dual Laser point is a surprise - though I will still wait for Nigel to get full confirmation that it is actually Red/Blue, rather than just 2 x blue modules, my gut suspects the latter.

The rest of it is not really a surprise though; they needed to fill the gap between the 5000ES and the 760ES, so what better to do than to take the 760ES, add the better lens from the 5000ES, double up the laser modules to provide more light output, and add a DI so that the RS4500 does not have any obvious paper advantage.

As always . . . maybe I'm just an old sceptic!
Sony used to be the company to beat back in the day, now they are just cash hoovers like everyone else, but I know what you are saying.

Re the doubling up of laser modules compared to a red and a blue one; It is an interesting notion and just as likely at this stage, but having said that the 5000 has only one module (I think) and it has 5000 lumens.
So a module with simply more diodes could feasibly bump up the lumens without the need for another one.

How do we know Sony definitely won't enable the iris? There may be something coming from the competition that will level the playing field as it currently stands, and the 760 will need a little additional USP or performance advantage to stay relevant.... ?

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I don't disagree. I simply think that's SONYs perspective. Personally, I'd love for SONY to enhance the performance of the SONY 885/760ES via both enabling usage of the mechanical iris that's already built-in but currently is disabled; and strengthen the dynamic dimming functionality; and change the factory default settings such that the projector is able to resolve native 4K content fully at the pixel level out of the box, and such that the uniformity issues that are potentially experienced with the fact default settings don't occur. Wherein, I heavily lobbied SONY to carry out these upgrades via simple firmware update, but the response was 'NO'.
That just sucks.

So they were essentially admitting they released a half baked product and leveraged numerous electronic 'fudgery' to make the image presentable, but as we know it can be fairly easily remedied, so as you say, why not just do that from the get go?

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I'd also love for SONY to reduce the price of the 885/760ES in the United States, when the 870/???ES is released, to being the same price as the rest of the world, namely 15,000 bucks as opposed to 25,000. However, this may be wishful thinking...

Incidentally, I provided similar feedback to JVC regarding the RS4500/Z1 shortly prior to the product launch, regarding a number of issues, upon having evaluated the initial production units; and JVC not only listened, but implemented corresponding fixes and/or improvements within circa 5-6 weeks following, via a firmware update. Totally different mentality.

If JVC come out with something that ticks all my boxes I may just find myself flipping Sony the bird on projection at this rate.

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I am just against using too many mechnical components, these are susceptible to wear and tear, and also of course need speed to perform well, which causes noise. I find laser dimming a far more elegant solution for this kind of thing. Of course, having a manual aperature is a good idea, I just don't understand why you would want a dynamic one.
Indeed, and at the very least an update to the dimming algorithm should be sent into the wild as it is a preferred method for sure!

But also yeah, allow me to close down the iris if I deem it necessary too!

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