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I think you need a new projector. This is not how it should look. Mine does not have this.
I had some slight uniformity issues in my first one and it was replaced under warranty.
Have you tested it with the dreaded MIXED PIXEL TEST PATTERN off the DVS HDR10?
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I think you need a new projector. This is not how it should look. Mine does not have this.
I had some slight uniformity issues in my first one and it was replaced under warranty.
Have you tested it with the dreaded MIXED PIXEL TEST PATTERN off the DVS HDR10?
I went through all the test patterns my calibrator had. And I spent a lot of time precisely setting convergence by zone. I don’t have the issues you describe, and neither does anyone else here (from what I’ve read). Why don’t you just replace it with another one rather than making blanket false statements that the projector is flawed?!

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I went through all the test patterns my calibrator had. And I spent a lot of time precisely setting convergence by zone. I don’t have the issues you describe, and neither does anyone else here (from what I’ve read). Why don’t you just replace it with another one rather than making blanket false statements that the projector is flawed?!
You did not answer my question. Did you test it with the "MIXED PIXEL TEST PATTERN off the DVS HDR10"? The test patterns your calibrator had means nothing. Who's your calibrator? Mine is Craig Rounds one of the top 2-3 calibrators in the US and he stated that the color uniformity issue is well known with this projector. As for statements like "neither does anyone else here (from what I’ve read)", most here are too obsessed with HDR "highlights" to pay any attention to B&W content.

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Yes! I was informed pretty fast after I was in the store last Monday and showed them the pictures of the green aura! So on Thursday, I was told I would get it replaced with a new unit! Today I received email that the new one will be delivered on Thursday or Friday this week!

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Polarcircle's projector maybe worse than average but the reddish tint on the left is an unmistakable sign of the issue.
There is no red tint anywhere in the image! It's just a bad picture from an old Iphone! Everything is perfectly gray "outside" the green aura!
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Yes! I was informed pretty fast after I was in the store last Monday and showed them the pictures of the green aura! So on Thursday, I was told I would get it replaced with a new unit! Today I received email that the new one will be delivered on Thursday or Friday this week!
That is good news!

Please post comparison pics once you have it up and running.

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Maybe I did. Please enlighten me, what is the point?
This is not a grayscale problem. It´s a faulty unit.
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I have been playing with this new model and the just released McIntosh MX170 this week. Anyway the Shield Pro is the best streamer I have had to date. Great image and lossless sound! What a great match for the 995ES!

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That is good news!

Please post comparison pics once you have it up and running.
Today I got my new 870! But I won't have time until this weekend to replace it. The store really wanted the old one back before they released the new one. But they finally agreed to get it back on Monday so I can make the switch the easiest way for me! (Switching new/old units at the same time as take it down from the ceiling)
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Today I got my new 870! But I won't have time until this weekend to replace it. The store really wanted the old one back before they released the new one. But they finally agreed to get it back on Monday so I can make the switch the easiest way for me! (Switching new/old units at the same time as take it down from the ceiling)
Great news!
I look forward to seeing the pics and your evaluation.

Are both those boxes yours? Is there much difference in the serial numbers? Do they both have the same software on?

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Great news!
I look forward to seeing the pics and your evaluation.

Are both those boxes yours? Is there much difference in the serial numbers? Do they both have the same software on?
The box on the top is for the one I´m returning and empty. The one underneath contains the new one! The serial number differs, 5000283 (old), 5000379 (new). About software I can´t tell because I´ve not turned it on yet!

Here is the informative labels on the boxes… Old vs. new:
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The box on the top is for the one I´m returning and empty. The one underneath contains the new one! The serial number differs, 5000283 (old), 5000379 (new). About software I can´t tell because I´ve not turned it on yet!

Here is the informative labels on the boxes… Old vs. new:
If you look at the model number after SYQ at the top, there´s a difference after the parenthesis (the old one has a 1, the new one has a 2)? Further down on the "S EAN" code you will see the serial number. What "P EAN" code stands for above I have no idea? At the bottom to the right you see the manufactured date...2019/02 vs. 2019/09....maybe I have a newer software in the new unit? We will see this weekend?

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If you look at the model number after SYQ at the top, there´s a difference after the parenthesis (the old one has a 1, the new one has a 2)? Further down on the "S EAN" code you will see the serial number. What "P EAN" code stands for above I have no idea? At the bottom to the right you see the manufactured date...2019/02 vs. 2019/09....maybe I have a newer software in the new unit? We will see this weekend?
It will be interesting to see if the software is different. 7 months difference in manufacturing date. It isn't a surprise that they haven't made a huge amount of these, what with the price of them.

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There is no red tint anywhere in the image! It's just a bad picture from an old Iphone! Everything is perfectly gray "outside" the green aura!
Ok, I hope your new unit is perfect. But I wouldn't be surprised if the absence of the green aura reveals a red tint or some other grayscale deviation towards the edges, especially if the projector is calibrated to rec709 or rec2020.

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Today I got my new 870! But I won't have time until this weekend to replace it. The store really wanted the old one back before they released the new one. But they finally agreed to get it back on Monday so I can make the switch the easiest way for me! (Switching new/old units at the same time as take it down from the ceiling)
How did it go?
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There is no red tint anywhere in the image! It's just a bad picture from an old Iphone! <img src="https://www.avsforum.com/forum/images/AVSForum/smilies/tango_face_sad.png" border="0" alt="" title="Frown" class="inlineimg" /> Everything is perfectly gray "outside" the green aura!
Ok, I hope your new unit is perfect. But I wouldn't be surprised if the absence of the green aura reveals a red tint or some other grayscale deviation towards the edges, especially if the projector is calibrated to rec709 or rec2020.
You still refuse to get your unit checked, incredible! For the record, you’re the only one who has this greyscale deviation. None of the reviewers mentioned it, and my unit has no deviation

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You still refuse to get your unit checked, incredible! For the record, you’re the only one who has this greyscale deviation. None of the reviewers mentioned it, and my unit has no deviation
Please read post #903 here:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/86-ul...risons-31.html

This is about the 885 but there is no difference between the 885 and 995 with respect to this issue. Arrow-AV was also going to post a review on the 995 but he never did for reasons that he hasn't explained.
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I’ve already read everything there is to read about the 995. You’re in a sample size of 1 yet you refuse to get your unit serviced.
More importantly, why are you posting in this thread. Doesn’t look like you have a 995 or 870!

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This is about the 885 but there is no difference between the 885 and 995 with respect to this issue. Arrow-AV was also going to post a review on the 995 but he never did for reasons that he hasn't explained.
This is the convergence/panel alignment issue and has been resolved long ago by turning off the auto alignment. Nothing to do with faulty projectors or greyscale problems. You are mixing up different things here.
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Sadly my unit has also this "green aura" problem, from the beginning. One of the first units delivered. Haven't have time to deal with the issue before. Now it's in service and it's seems the problem is not in the panel but in optics, lens.
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Sorry guys I will mention I had the same issue where I had the green tint in the middle. Noticeable on grey backgroung / white . From the very beginning ( not as bad as polar circle ) I actually thought I needed a 11 point calibration until I watched Schindlers list and noticed the issue on B&W was more apparent. I showed the photo to the Sony Pro technician he told me to send straight in as its actually an optical block issue. He was right.



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I’ve already read everything there is to read about the 995. You’re in a sample size of 1 yet you refuse to get your unit serviced.
More importantly, why are you posting in this thread. Doesn’t look like you have a 995 or 870!
You can bury your head in the sand all you want. You are the one who is refusing to try the mixed pixel test pattern. I certainly have a 995, where did you get the idea I haven't? Because I don't list my equipment in my signature as newbies like you do?
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This is about the 885 but there is no difference between the 885 and 995 with respect to this issue. Arrow-AV was also going to post a review on the 995 but he never did for reasons that he hasn't explained.
This is the convergence/panel alignment issue and has been resolved long ago by turning off the auto alignment. Nothing to do with faulty projectors or greyscale problems. You are mixing up different things here.
Thanks @evidentidal . Perhaps you can educate our friend on how to disable auto alignment. And note on convergence: wait 3 hours before making adjustments.

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This is the convergence/panel alignment issue and has been resolved long ago by turning off the auto alignment. Nothing to do with faulty projectors or greyscale problems. You are mixing up different things here.
Did you read Arrow's post? Here are a couple of quotes:

"This is in part (but not completely) caused by the 1:1 pixel mapping integrity of the projector being compromised with these particular settings"

"There also exists potential uniformity issues in addition to this".

To correct these issues you have to go to the service menu. And although you can definitely improve things, there is no guarantee the issues will completely go away. And since Sony does not approve going to the service menu and they consider the original faulty picture within spec (if not optimal), good luck taking up the issue with them. I'm not talking about egregious green blobs here but subtle gray scale non-uniformity.
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Sorry guys I will mention I had the same issue where I had the green tint in the middle. Noticeable on grey backgroung / white . From the very beginning ( not as bad as polar circle ) I actually thought I needed a 11 point calibration until I watched Schindlers list and noticed the issue on B&W was more apparent. I showed the photo to the Sony Pro technician he told me to send straight in as its actually an optical block issue. He was right.



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I just noticed that I think I have the same issue. Optical block?
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I just noticed that I think I have the same issue. Optical block?


Yep that is what I had and had to return it. Definitely optical block what I was told.

Unfortunately I moved on from Sony. That was my 4th projector. I wanted to share my experience with you guys as I don’t have a Sony projector anymore.



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I just noticed that I think I have the same issue. Optical block?


Yep that is what I had and had to return it. Definitely optical block what I was told.

Unfortunately I moved on from Sony. That was my 4th projector. I wanted to share my experience with you guys as I don&#226;€&#x2122;&#xfe0f;t have a Sony projector anymore.



Take care [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]


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Thanks. That’s unfortunate. Did they replace the entire projector or repair it?

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Thanks. That’s unfortunate. Did they replace the entire projector or repair it?


No unfortunately I ended up with a full refund and moved on.


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Did you read Arrow's post? Here are a couple of quotes:

"This is in part (but not completely) caused by the 1:1 pixel mapping integrity of the projector being compromised with these particular settings"

"There also exists potential uniformity issues in addition to this".

To correct these issues you have to go to the service menu. And although you can definitely improve things, there is no guarantee the issues will completely go away. And since Sony does not approve going to the service menu and they consider the original faulty picture within spec (if not optimal), good luck taking up the issue with them. I'm not talking about egregious green blobs here but subtle gray scale non-uniformity.
Yes I certainly did. We´ve all read that more than a year ago and we did what we had to do (myself prior with two 885ES). Polarcircle´s unit was something completely else though, not a grayscale problem. What´s so hard to understand?
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I just noticed that I think I have the same issue. Optical block?
That´s what I would have guessed.
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