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Thank you!

On another note, what is the purpose of the silvery material on the inside of the lens cover? Is that to dissipate light if the projector is on with the cover over the lens?
I haven't used my projector today but off the top of my head I use Bright Cinema for HDR and Cinema 1 for SDR.

For HDR I have Brightness at 53 and Contrast (HDR) at 43. I have DFO off and Dynamic Control on Full. Laser at 80.

My setup is probably a lot different to yours so get a test disc and have a play around until you get it as good as you can until you get a calibrator in.

As for the 'silvery' material inside the lens cap, I am not sure what you mean? [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/confused.gif[/IMG]
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Here’s what I meant by the lens cap material. Wonder why it has this silver material lining. My guess is to absorb as much light as possible if you turn it on with the cap on — which is not advised.
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Here’s what I meant by the lens cap material. Wonder why it has this silver material lining. My guess is to absorb as much light as possible if you turn it on with the cap on — which is not advised.
There is nothing like that on the lens cap of the 760. Is the silver bit a different material from the rest of the cap?

Interesting theory, but wouldn't silver actually reflect more light back than say a black surface?

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There is nothing like that on the lens cap of the 760. Is the silver bit a different material from the rest of the cap?

Interesting theory, but wouldn't silver actually reflect more light back than say a black surface?
Ah, I assumed you had switched to the 995 when you shared your settings!

The silver is a different material from the rest of the cap -- it's some type of vinyl/plastic that's a bit soft to the touch. I would agree that silver reflects more than black for sure... perhaps it's a heat absorption pad?
There is a warning sign on the side of the projector saying not to obstruct the light, and I always wondered if it would get damaged if it turned on with the lens cap on... perhaps Sony is trying to mitigate this with this pad insert?

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Ah, I assumed you had switched to the 995 when you shared your settings!

The silver is a different material from the rest of the cap -- it's some type of vinyl/plastic that's a bit soft to the touch. I would agree that silver reflects more than black for sure... perhaps it's a heat absorption pad?
There is a warning sign on the side of the projector saying not to obstruct the light, and I always wondered if it would get damaged if it turned on with the lens cap on... perhaps Sony is trying to mitigate this with this pad insert?
Ah, no, but they are essentially the same, but for the lens, so the settings stand I would say.

Hmmm interesting about it being slightly 'cushioned'. Maybe it is just to prevent it scratching the lens if pushed on too hard or far?

It could act like a heatsink I guess, only for a relatively short period of time though. But that should be long enough for a user to realise they can't see a picture and remove the cap.
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I haven't used my projector today but off the top of my head I use Bright Cinema for HDR and Cinema 1 for SDR.

For HDR I have Brightness at 53 and Contrast (HDR) at 43. I have DFO off and Dynamic Control on Full. Laser at 80.

My setup is probably a lot different to yours so get a test disc and have a play around until you get it as good as you can until you get a calibrator in.

As for the 'silvery' material inside the lens cap, I am not sure what you mean?
Hi. What Nit-setting do You have in Vertex2? 10000 or 1000? Or?
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Hi. What Nit-setting do You have in Vertex2? 10000 or 1000? Or?
For DV material the nit level I have set to 10,000. Seems to work really well for me. (and some others as I have read). [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/cool.gif[/IMG]
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For DV material the nit level I have set to 10,000. Seems to work really well for me. (and som eothers as I have read).
Nice! For the moment I use 1000 nits but Will try 10000 nit..
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For DV material the nit level I have set to 10,000. Seems to work really well for me. (and som eothers as I have read). [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/cool.gif[/IMG]
Nice! For the moment I use 1000 nits but Will try 10000 nit..
You have to rejig your HDR Contrast and brightness but it works well in my set up.
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For DV material the nit level I have set to 10,000. Seems to work really well for me. (and som eothers as I have read).
Will the projector stay in HDR mode with DV via Vertex 2or are you doing HDR-SDR conversion ? Any issues regarding highlights or black crush?
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Will the projector stay in HDR mode with DV via Vertex 2or are you doing HDR-SDR conversion ? Any issues regarding highlights or black crush?
You will have to read the LLDV/HD Fury thread for all the details, but yes, it goes into HDR mode if set correctly. Moreover, with the 'Contrast HDR' and 'Brightness' adjusted to compensate for the full range signal, I have noticed more dark detail and great highlights. Check out the 'eye candy' thread for images from Gemini Man etc (DV movie) that were being displayed as LLDV on mine via the Vertex 2.
On one set of pics I attempted to show the full range seen to the eye by taking two shots of the same frame that try to capture that range. One more exposed than the other.
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Many thanks.
I have a Atom 1.2 high contrast screen of 4 x 2,2 m area (https://www.skylinescreens.com/tecnologia/atom-1-2/) and I use the same pc for everything (I5-9600k - RTX 2060). In the evening I'll try to calibrate color space 2 with hcfr. Can you send me a guide to calibrate with hcfr, please? Also in pm... I already tried, but I couldn't correct grey scale better than delta 2 on 20 ire and 3 on 80 ire... even using Sony Calibration pro. Do you know about a more userfriendly software with patterns generator to calibrate my projector?
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I solved the issue about 0-16 luminance level. It depended from brightness setting of the projector. I set it on 55 for a good contrast, but Displaycal needs 57 minimum to receive the right excursion in 0-16 luminance.
I found the best gamma correction (2.4) and colours space (n. 2) and I got 30 nits of peak luminance. Then I calibrated white point, grey scale and colour space a first time with Sony Calibration pro advanced tools and HCFR. After I finished that settings and I set gamma and colour space corrections with HCFR and madTPG patterns (a very long work!).
At the end I did a calibration after profiling with Displaycal, setting BT.2020 Gamma 2.2, and another (without profiling) setting Rec.709 Gamma 2.2 as source colour space.
I got a good results, the best in last months. I attached pictures.
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For DV material the nit level I have set to 10,000. Seems to work really well for me. (and some others as I have read). [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/cool.gif[/IMG]
What nits setting do you mean? If it is the DV tone mapping target, doesn't that high number mean that the source doesn't do any tonemapping at all? I thought that the idea of LLDV was to do most of the tonemapping in source device.

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For DV material the nit level I have set to 10,000. Seems to work really well for me. (and some others as I have read). [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/cool.gif[/IMG]
What nits setting do you mean? If it is the DV tone mapping target, doesn't that high number mean that the source doesn't do any tonemapping at all? I thought that the idea of LLDV was to do most of the tonemapping in source device.
Well, yes I guess so, but it gives me the most nuanced picture I have had in DV titles. (I don't do any converting of non DV media). The EDID doesn't muck up regular TV or blurays either.
The best bit about this mod is you can try any and all sorts of permutations and use that which you find most pleasing.
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Colorimeter Calibration Spectral Set (.ccss) file.

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Do someone have the colorimeter calibration spectral file for Sony VPL-VW995/870ES?
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I wonder what is new in the 3.1 firmware?
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Anyone ever have any trouble running the laser on min? I was doing that tonight and the unit shut off and the warning indicator is blinking 3 times, in fact it's still blinking. The manual states an issue with the light engine. I'm wondering if I did this by keeping it on min.
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Anyone ever have any trouble running the laser on min? I was doing that tonight and the unit shut off and the warning indicator is blinking 3 times, in fact it's still blinking. The manual states an issue with the light engine. I'm wondering if I did this by keeping it on min.
Why would you want (or need) to run it on minimum laser power? Is your screen super high gain or small in size?

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Anyone ever have any trouble running the laser on min? I was doing that tonight and the unit shut off and the warning indicator is blinking 3 times, in fact it's still blinking. The manual states an issue with the light engine. I'm wondering if I did this by keeping it on min.

I had the same problem with my unit. I ran it at laser level "Min" while checking the lens, among other things (I wouldn't normally run it at that level, though - 80 seems good). It shut down on me exactly like you described a total of three times. When I changed the level back to 80, the problem went away and it didn't occur again. Since then, I've received a new unit (I had several problems with mine and Sony replaced it) and I haven't tested it again since. But given that both you and I ran into this problem using this identical setting, perhaps Sony needs to check their thresholds (whichever ones they may be) to make sure you can run the projector at any given level within the range available to the users. I'm by no means any expert, but I'd guess that this problem is a calibration/settings issue rather than an indication of an actual problem with the light source itself. You can always send PrimeSupport an e-mail and ask them to follow up on it, though.

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I had the same problem with my unit. I ran it at laser level "Min" while checking the lens, among other things (I wouldn't normally run it at that level, though - 80 seems good). It shut down on me exactly like you described a total of three times. When I changed the level back to 80, the problem went away and it didn't occur again. Since then, I've received a new unit (I had several problems with mine and Sony replaced it) and I haven't tested it again since. But given that both you and I ran into this problem using this identical setting, perhaps Sony needs to check their thresholds (whichever ones they may be) to make sure you can run the projector at any given level within the range available to the users. I'm by no means any expert, but I'd guess that this problem is a calibration/settings issue rather than an indication of an actual problem with the light source itself. You can always send PrimeSupport an e-mail and ask them to follow up on it, though.
Interesting discovery. Maybe it's some form of protection mechanism of sort. And yes, likely a threshold value setup by Sony engineers. But I recalled even at minimum, it is certainly watchable to "human eyes" but for hardware, it is a signal that the projector should be in a "off" state?

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I hope to see a new firmware coming out soon, especially in the improvement or fix on HDR mode in dark scenes where can see posterisation. SDR mode is perfect.


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I would also love to see a new firmware, especially one that fixes banding issues and adds dynamic tone mapping! Since Sony are not releasing any new projectors this year (but the VPL-VW 5000 successor) they should have enough time to provide their loyal customers with an upgrade.

Also they never released 3.100...
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I would also love to see a new firmware, especially one that fixes banding issues and adds dynamic tone mapping! Since Sony are not releasing any new projectors this year (but the VPL-VW 5000 successor) they should have enough time to provide their loyal customers with an upgrade.



Also they never released 3.100...
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Anyone ever have any trouble running the laser on min? I was doing that tonight and the unit shut off and the warning indicator is blinking 3 times, in fact it's still blinking. The manual states an issue with the light engine. I'm wondering if I did this by keeping it on min.[IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/confused.gif[/IMG]

I had the same problem with my unit. I ran it at laser level "Min" while checking the lens
May I ask what you were checking the lens for that was facilitated by min laser?

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I hope to see a new firmware coming out soon, especially in the improvement or fix on HDR mode in dark scenes where can see posterisation. SDR mode is perfect.
Indeed. It is an issue that now affects the 760 and 5000 too.
Here's hoping for a full fix and comprehensive update.

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I would also love to see a new firmware, especially one that fixes banding issues and adds dynamic tone mapping! Since Sony are not releasing any new projectors this year (but the VPL-VW 5000 successor) they should have enough time to provide their loyal customers with an upgrade.

Also they never released 3.100...
No need for new models at the current time when all that would be improved would be numbers on the marketing material.
Totally agree. DTM and black posterisation/blocking in HDR fix.
Of interest the 8.100 firmware for the 760 was not initially released to the public for a long time. It was a factory/maintenance only release for a fairly long while.

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