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I'm considering pairing the 995 with a 127"x54" "scope" screen for a constant image height setup with no anamorphic lens. My main interest is SDR viewing. However, I'm concerned that the image might be too bright. My calculations for 1.0 gain screen, produce 30 fL for a 2.35:1 image and eye searing 46 fL for a 16:9 image. Am I making a mistake in my calculations or is the projector hopelessly bright for that setup? Could people comment based on their experience? It seems most people are mainly interested in HDR and they have the opposite concerns from mine, that the projector might not be bright enough, but my entire movie collection and my TV signal is SDR.
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I'm considering pairing the 995 with a 127"x54" "scope" screen for a constant image height setup with no anamorphic lens. My main interest is SDR viewing. However, I'm concerned that the image might be too bright. My calculations for 1.0 gain screen, produce 30 fL for a 2.35:1 image and eye searing 46 fL for a 16:9 image. Am I making a mistake in my calculations or is the projector hopelessly bright for that setup? Could people comment based on their experience? It seems most people are mainly interested in HDR and they have the opposite concerns from mine, that the projector might not be bright enough, but my entire movie collection and my TV signal is SDR.
What is your throw distance? If I assume a throw of 16', then on your 16:9 image, using low laser setting, I calculate around 26/27FL minimum. For HDR on your scope screen size around 28/29FL max.

Are you using the 54" x 127" size for your calculations or 71" x 127" when making the calculations?

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What is your throw distance? If I assume a throw of 16', then on your 16:9 image, using low laser setting, I calculate around 26/27FL minimum. For HDR on your scope screen size around 28/29FL max.

Are you using the 54" x 127" size for your calculations or 71" x 127" when making the calculations?

Throw distance would be around 16'. A 16:9 image would be constrained by height, so it would have to be 54" high. The projector has an aspect ratio of 1.9, so width 54*1.9=102.6. That's 38.475 square feet, assuming 1800 lumens calibrated that's 1800/38.475=46.78 fL.
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Throw distance would be around 16'. A 16:9 image would be constrained by height, so it would have to be 54" high. The projector has an aspect ratio of 1.9, so width 54*1.9=102.6. That's 38.475 square feet, assuming 1800 lumens calibrated that's 1800/38.475=46.78 fL.
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I used 16' for the throw, so my numbers should be correct. For 16:9 you would not use the full panel width. Your 16:9 size is 54" x 96". Your 16' throw is mid zoom, so you lose a little bit due to throw and the laser can be dimmed down 40%. So the dimmest you can get your SDR on the 16:9 size is 26/27FL. The brightest you can get your HDR on scope is 28/29FL.
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I used 16' for the throw, so my numbers should be correct. For 16:9 you would not use the full panel width. Your 16:9 size is 54" x 96". Your 16' throw is mid zoom, so you lose a little bit due to throw and the laser can be dimmed down 40%. So the dimmest you can get your SDR on the 16:9 size is 26/27FL. The brightest you can get your HDR on scope is 28/29FL.

Even though the full panel width is not used, shouldn't it be used for the calculations (i.e. doesn't the projector distribute its light to the entire panel)? Anyway, your numbers are not that much different than mine, 60% of 47fL is 28fL and you say 26/27fL. So, isn't that too bright? The recommendation is for 16fL and although some say a few more is fine, 27 is a lot higher. Also, I remember people saying about the 885 that its contrast suffers at low laser level, I assume the same is the case for the 995. If anybody here is using it in a similar setup, I would be very interested in what they think. By the way, is it possible to store in memory the zoom, focus and laser setting?
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Even though the full panel width is not used, shouldn't it be used for the calculations (i.e. doesn't the projector distribute its light to the entire panel)? Anyway, your numbers are not that much different than mine, 60% of 47fL is 28fL and you say 26/27fL. So, isn't that too bright? The recommendation is for 16fL and although some say a few more is fine, 27 is a lot higher. Also, I remember people saying about the 885 that its contrast suffers at low laser level, I assume the same is the case for the 995. If anybody here is using it in a similar setup, I would be very interested in what they think. By the way, is it possible to store in memory the zoom, focus and laser setting?
Once you do the 40% reduction and also reduce it for throw on the 16:9 size, we are talking the same numbers.
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Once you do the 40% reduction and also reduce it for throw on the 16:9 size, we are talking the same numbers.

Yes, we are talking the same numbers, thanks Mike. So is anyone here using the 995 in a constant image height setting? Is there a way to save the laser and zoom settings together or do you have to fiddle with the laser output level anytime you switch to content with a different aspect ratio?
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Im planning to get the 995 / 870es. The projector will be mounted around 10 meters from the screen. Screen will be elite cinetension screen 150” diagonally.

The room will have curtains all around except for one side which is a long glass sliding door opening to the living room. Do i need to be worried that the 2200 lumens wouldn’t be enough for the distance and screen size?
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Im planning to get the 995 / 870es. The projector will be mounted around 10 meters from the screen. Screen will be elite cinetension screen 150” diagonally.

The room will have curtains all around except for one side which is a long glass sliding door opening to the living room. Do i need to be worried that the 2200 lumens wouldn’t be enough for the distance and screen size?
My guess is your peak while will be in the low 20's at the most. That is a 1.1 gain screen that is just short of 11 ft wide. But you are over 30 ft back, so long zoom (nearly double mine). In my room on a 1.0 gain screen with a throw of about 14-15 ft to a 11 ft wide screen, my peak white level is 24 fL. So HDR could definitely be an issue for you with that length of throw on that size of screen, especially if only using the Sony tone mapping. Is that diagonal measurement for a 16x9 screen or a scope screen? I assumed 16x9.

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Hunter Killer looked exceptional in HDR10 using the ATV with Vudu app. Really good movie as well. The 995 exhibited perfect images with the brightest areas as well as the deepest darks and everything in between. Highly recommend this one. Demo material for sure.

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Still no news of the coming review of this 870/995 ? I thought it was due a few days ago, have i missed something ?
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Im planning to get the 995 / 870es. The projector will be mounted around 10 meters from the screen. Screen will be elite cinetension screen 150” diagonally.

The room will have curtains all around except for one side which is a long glass sliding door opening to the living room. Do i need to be worried that the 2200 lumens wouldn’t be enough for the distance and screen size?

I'll make this easy ,there is only one projector up to that task and that is the Sony VW5000 . At 32 ft (10meters) of throw and considering 1.1 gain I'm not sure the VW5000 will blow you out of the water for HDR . I believe you have less than an ideal room as the curtains suggest you are covering up windows, you will have ambient light to deal with as well , so you'd better do your homework . There are plenty of great screen materials suited to rooms less than "ideal" which can boost the light off the screen , produce a more acceptable , much brighter HDR image . If you want to light up that size screen with any other projector other than the VW5000, you'll have to position the projector at the shortest throw possible, add a anamorphic lens , additionally add some gain to the screen material . While standards suggest 29FL are adequate for HDR , the majority now realize this a bare minimum . For best HDR you'll want 50FL or higher, I'm netting 56FL off a 1.6 gain material , I would never drop below this level ever again for HDR, the results are simply too dismal . A descent OLED produces 1000 nits, 10 times the 100nits ( 29FL) suggested for minimim HDR on a projector . Even at 50FL you are barely making 170 nits from a projector, how do you think 29FL will appear ? Colors will be muted , lack the pop requried and that is totally unacceptable for descent HDR . Tone mapping can make a difference, it cannot make up for a poor image brightness this low , I have seen the difference, I suggest you do as well .



I rescently viewed the RS4500 on the exact screen you are considering, actually, it was 1.0 gain and 148" diagonal scope. The projector at 24ft was running maxed out brightness, the image on the screen was barely a minimum for acceptable HDR , compared to what I have now it was dull in comparison . Before you spend money do your due diligence . Aim for 50FL or higher regardless of the projector , do what ever it takes to make that happen , you will not be disappointed, that I guarantee. All these flagship level projectors produce a amazing image, have excellent sharpness, color and contrast as long as the setup is appropriate and you hit the sweet spot for performance.

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Hunter Killer looked exceptional in HDR10 using the ATV with Vudu app. Really good movie as well. The 995 exhibited perfect images with the brightest areas as well as the deepest darks and everything in between. Highly recommend this one. Demo material for sure.


Haven't seen this movie, must check it out . Then again , I don't have a theater anymore, at least for a few months, I'm experiencing some serious separation anxiety at this point . A 75" Q9 even with specs that will bolw any projector off the planet is no match for a big screen cinematic experience and crazy as it seems , the 75" is not cutting the mustard .

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Haven't seen this movie, must check it out . Then again , I don't have a theater anymore, at least for a few months, I'm experiencing some serious seperation anziety at this point . A 75" Q9 even with specs that will bolw any projector off the planet is no match for a big screen cinematic experience and crazy as it seems , the 75" is not cutting the mustard .
It is definitely better on a larger screen. The winter is the worst time to be without a theater. Hopefully it goes by fast for you. We are planning a large group viewing of Bohemian Rhapsody this weekend. Then of course next weekend is the Super Bowl or maybe we should call it the Patriot Bowl...


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We had every seat filled and even brought in two extra for our Bohemian Rhapsody Movie Party. It really felt like we were all front row in concert watching Queen perform. The image was vibrant at times with breathtaking closeups. Especially of his eyes at the end during the Live Aid concert! Wow! As impressive was the image the sound was also top notch terrific. There is a long rain scene where with Atmos speakers you mind is easily tricked into thinking you are outside in the rain. Of course the music was spectacular! We all could see and hear why this one has such a high people’s mark on Rotten Tomatoes. This one looked taylor made for the 995 with its smooth panning/motion of the concert crowds and shadow details during night scenes. Don’t miss this one!


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Haven't seen this movie, must check it out . Then again , I don't have a theater anymore, at least for a few months, I'm experiencing some serious separation anxiety at this point . A 75" Q9 even with specs that will bolw any projector off the planet is no match for a big screen cinematic experience and crazy as it seems , the 75" is not cutting the mustard .
Are you considering a new PJ? If so what might it be?
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Are you considering a new PJ? If so what might it be?

To upgrade from the VW885 the only 4K laser options are the VW995, RS4500 and VW5000 . Neither is worth an upgrade from a image quality standpoint, especially factoring in price , after seeing the options it only confirms how good the VW885 is. For a new theater build I was considering a larger screen in the 150" diagonal scope range, something between 1.0 to 1.3 gain , the goal was to retain the 60FL off screen I have now for adequate HDR . The VW995 adds a very moderate gain in brightness , for a larger screen there is just not enough difference to make the upgrade a consideration, if I was buying new that would be a different story . Besides, I'd have to pay full price for the VW995, the other options at used pricing make a more reasonable attractive alternative, I wouldn't even consider the RS4500 or VW5000 new at this point, replacements are just around the corner. The RS4500 I saw on a 148" 1.0 gain was a bare minimum for HDR , but this was at 24ft throw and did not have a anamorphic lens . It was running on high just to make this minimum, the noise and heat would be a concern. To retain the 60 FL would require the RS4500 to be positioned at the shortest throw possible, I would reduce the screen to 140" and increase gain to 1.3 as a compromise, add the anamorohic lens . The anamorphic lens would allow me to run mid laser most of the time , avoid having to run high laser . The RS4500 requires a external scaler to stretch for the anamorphic, a lumagen would be required, but since it also doubles as one of the best HDR tone mapping alternatives this eases the pain of the price . I currently own the Lumagen pro and both the Paladin HDR and ISCOIII L already, if I didn't this would have to be added to the cost . The VW5000 would allow me to run the bigger screen, the lowest gain reference screen material and keep the projector long throw in the back where it is preferred. The VW5000 would not need the anamorphic lens either, for tone mapping , something external would be required.


The RS4500 and VW5000 are at the end of their life cycle, so now the other question is, will they be replaced in the fall with something updated . My new home build and theater have been pushed way beyond the date I expected, now looks as though it will be later in the spring before I can complete it . That will leave a few short months unil CEDIA, 6 months until options are available . I may just wait it out at least to see what the potential options will be feature wise and price . The projector that I really want is not available, there is a big hole between the VW5000 and the models below it, hoping something coming will fill that gap . I'm also not interested in paying over $35,000US , $40K would be the absolute maximum . Even if we get the new models in the fall I don't expect the pricing will agree with my budget.



The longer this drags on the more likely I am to hold on to what I have . I'm getting 60 FL off a 134" diagonal scope with the VW885 setup I currently have , I may just be able to suffer it out another year or two if necessary. This is the first projector I have owned that has not wavered in 500 hours of use, suffice it to say laser is well worth the investment,two years out I would not expect this to change in any significant way , I'm in good shape regardless .
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Art’s review is up!
https://www.projectorreviews.com/son...nsive-awesome/

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ARC-F lens produces “dramatic differences” in image quality.

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This Sony has a great picture. I have yet to review better, overall, even if the Sony VW5000ES (with 5000 lumens and a $60K price tag) is brighter. I suspect the top of the line JVC might have better black levels – likely – but at the same time, historically review after review I have preferred Sony’s color handling, and also their overall image processing whether relating to sharpness, 3D, CFI, etc. (As I always repeat – there are always trade-offs – don’t expect any one projector to be best at everything – no matter how expensive.) ...
... the Sony VPL-VW995ES, which to date (and 200+ reviews I’ve done) is the best picture I’ve seen. End of conversation: If you can afford it, go for it!
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To upgrade from the VW885 the only 4K laser options are the VW995, RS4500 and VW5000 . Neither is worth an upgrade from a image quality standpoint, especially factoring in price , after seeing the options it only confirms how good the VW885 is. For a new theater build I was considering a larger screen in the 150" diagonal scope range, something between 1.0 to 1.3 gain , the goal was to retain the 60FL off screen I have now for adequate HDR . The VW995 adds a very moderate gain in brightness , for a larger screen there is just not enough difference to make the upgrade a consideration, if I was buying new that would be a different story . Besides, I'd have to pay full price for the VW995, the other options at used pricing make a more reasonable attractive alternative, I wouldn't even consider the RS4500 or VW5000 new at this point, replacements are just around the corner. The RS4500 I saw on a 148" 1.0 gain was a bare minimum for HDR , but this was at 24ft throw and did not have a anamorphic lens . It was running on high just to make this minimum, the noise and heat would be a concern. To retain the 60 FL would require the RS4500 to be positioned at the shortest throw possible, I would reduce the screen to 140" and increase gain to 1.3 as a compromise, add the anamorohic lens . The anamorphic lens would allow me to run mid laser most of the time , avoid having to run high laser . The RS4500 requires a external scaler to stretch for the anamorphic, a lumagen would be required, but since it also doubles as one of the best HDR tone mapping alternatives this eases the pain of the price . I currently own the Lumagen pro and both the Paladin HDR and ISCOIII L already, if I didn't this would have to be added to the cost . The VW5000 would allow me to run the bigger screen, the lowest gain reference screen material and keep the projector long throw in the back where it is preferred. The VW5000 would not need the anamorphic lens either, for tone mapping , something external would be required.


The RS4500 and VW5000 are at the end of their life cycle, so now the other question is, will they be replaced in the fall with something updated . My new home build and theater have been pushed way beyond the date I expected, now looks as though it will be later in the spring before I can complete it . That will leave a few short months unil CEDIA, 6 months until options are available . I may just wait it out at least to see what the potential options will be feature wise and price . The projector that I really want is not available, there is a big hole between the VW5000 and the models below it, hoping something coming will fill that gap . I'm also not interested in paying over $35,000US , $40K would be the absolute maximum . Even if we get the new models in the fall I don't expect the pricing will agree with my budget.



The longer this drags on the more likely I am to hold on to what I have . I'm getting 60 FL off a 134" diagonal scope with the VW885 setup I currently have , I may just be able to suffer it out another year or two if necessary. This is the first projector I have owned that has not wavered in 500 hours of use, suffice it to say laser is well worth the investment,two years out I would not expect this to change in any significant way , I'm in good shape regardless .
Thank You for the explanation, It was very informative. It will help me in my future decisions regarding PJ
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The optics and DFO makes a big difference even my wife and kids noticed that picture is sharper and there is more definition.
Lens shift motor is changed and its operation is quieter.
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• off - no iris and no laser dimming,
• limited - laser dimming is turned on and the black level is “probably” the same as with vw760.
• full - laser dimming is on and iris is working. Iris movement is visible but it’s moves very little. Iris closes around 30%. They definitely should make it more aggressive.
I hoped that the lack level would be better, but there is change so now with normal viewing it doesn’t bother me anymore like it bothered with the VW760.
Black details visibility with HDR is not improved. it’s still cannot resolve lower than 0.100 in test table that comes with Sony UHD 4K disks. With UHD disk I need to rise brightness to 56.
Fan noise it’s different with vw760es full laser it had constant fan speed. Now with vw870 the speed will vary and change probably by projectors temperature. But this fan speed change and noise variation is more noticeable compared to constant noise. (in quiet room with no audio playing)
It’s brighter but not much I cannot measure it right now. 760es already had enough brightness for me.
I need more time to test it and watch movies then I will get better picture how small or big are the improvements.
Hello Kaaga,

Just find your post about the fan noise, and I've to say you're not the only one to hear something wrong from it.

Let me explain you a bit :

It's the Third units of VPL-VW870ES we got at home, the 1st two got fan issues, where after sometime of usage, the fan seems to be unbalanced, and then the weird sound stays for ever.

This noise is not normal, and it's caused by a series of faulty fans.

Sony is aware of it, for our case, we have made several call to the prime support, and they are still investigated on it, and send the faulty first unit back to Japan for checks.

Let us know if you also have this kind of noise issue, maybe with a short video.

Thanks in advance for your feedback
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Hello Kaaga,

Just find your post about the fan noise, and I've to say you're not the only one to hear something wrong from it.

Let me explain you a bit :

It's the Third units of VPL-VW870ES we got at home, the 1st two got fan issues, where after sometime of usage, the fan seems to be unbalanced, and then the weird sound stays for ever.

This noise is not normal, and it's caused by a series of faulty fans.

Sony is aware of it, for our case, we have made several call to the prime support, and they are still investigated on it, and send the faulty first unit back to Japan for checks.

Let us know if you also have this kind of noise issue, maybe with a short video.

Thanks in advance for your feedback
I know these are expensive and probably still under warranty, but isn't a fan probably something a pretty talented home user could replace on his/her own?

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I know these are expensive and probably still under warranty, but isn't a fan probably something a pretty talented home user could replace on his/her own?
Sure, if you don't mind invalidating your warranty...

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Hello Kaaga,

Just find your post about the fan noise, and I've to say you're not the only one to hear something wrong from it.

Let me explain you a bit :

It's the Third units of VPL-VW870ES we got at home, the 1st two got fan issues, where after sometime of usage, the fan seems to be unbalanced, and then the weird sound stays for ever.

This noise is not normal, and it's caused by a series of faulty fans.

Sony is aware of it, for our case, we have made several call to the prime support, and they are still investigated on it, and send the faulty first unit back to Japan for checks.

Let us know if you also have this kind of noise issue, maybe with a short video.

Thanks in advance for your feedback
I'm used to with the fan already. Because time has passed and I have already forgot how the fan in VW760 sounded.
Maybe now its little bit quieter that it was in the beginning. Anyway i can say that my fan its not faulty.
I watch normal Blu-ray-s at 70% laser and I don’t even hear it. 4K blu-ray-s at 100% laser and then it’s audioble.

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To upgrade from the VW885 the only 4K laser options are the VW995, RS4500 and VW5000 . Neither is worth an upgrade from a image quality standpoint, especially factoring in price , after seeing the options it only confirms how good the VW885 is. For a new theater build I was considering a larger screen in the 150" diagonal scope range, something between 1.0 to 1.3 gain , the goal was to retain the 60FL off screen I have now for adequate HDR . The VW995 adds a very moderate gain in brightness , for a larger screen there is just not enough difference to make the upgrade a consideration, if I was buying new that would be a different story . Besides, I'd have to pay full price for the VW995, the other options at used pricing make a more reasonable attractive alternative, I wouldn't even consider the RS4500 or VW5000 new at this point, replacements are just around the corner. The RS4500 I saw on a 148" 1.0 gain was a bare minimum for HDR , but this was at 24ft throw and did not have a anamorphic lens . It was running on high just to make this minimum, the noise and heat would be a concern. To retain the 60 FL would require the RS4500 to be positioned at the shortest throw possible, I would reduce the screen to 140" and increase gain to 1.3 as a compromise, add the anamorohic lens . The anamorphic lens would allow me to run mid laser most of the time , avoid having to run high laser . The RS4500 requires a external scaler to stretch for the anamorphic, a lumagen would be required, but since it also doubles as one of the best HDR tone mapping alternatives this eases the pain of the price . I currently own the Lumagen pro and both the Paladin HDR and ISCOIII L already, if I didn't this would have to be added to the cost . The VW5000 would allow me to run the bigger screen, the lowest gain reference screen material and keep the projector long throw in the back where it is preferred. The VW5000 would not need the anamorphic lens either, for tone mapping , something external would be required.


The RS4500 and VW5000 are at the end of their life cycle, so now the other question is, will they be replaced in the fall with something updated . My new home build and theater have been pushed way beyond the date I expected, now looks as though it will be later in the spring before I can complete it . That will leave a few short months unil CEDIA, 6 months until options are available . I may just wait it out at least to see what the potential options will be feature wise and price . The projector that I really want is not available, there is a big hole between the VW5000 and the models below it, hoping something coming will fill that gap . I'm also not interested in paying over $35,000US , $40K would be the absolute maximum . Even if we get the new models in the fall I don't expect the pricing will agree with my budget.



The longer this drags on the more likely I am to hold on to what I have . I'm getting 60 FL off a 134" diagonal scope with the VW885 setup I currently have , I may just be able to suffer it out another year or two if necessary. This is the first projector I have owned that has not wavered in 500 hours of use, suffice it to say laser is well worth the investment,two years out I would not expect this to change in any significant way , I'm in good shape regardless .
Agree 100% with what you say.

I would say give this round a miss as you seem to have an amazing set up anyways.

a Z1,NX9 or 995es will not give you a $15000 improvement on what you have already.

I can see a native 8K projector showing up fairly soon from either Sony or JVC.

It has been 8 years since the vw1000es debut(2011) and 4 years since the 4K spec was finalised(2014-15).

4K is nearing the end of it's cycle(or at least the end of it's run being at the avant guard of obtainable resolution for consumers)

If I was considering laying out anything north of $20000 in 2019 and beyond…...it won't be for 4K anymore.
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And then? There is really no content for 8k available , not now nor on the horizon. Also with today´s projectors you can see a lot of weaknesses in the filmmaking and mastering of discs. I am not sure if I am ready to watch more grain, noise , artefacts caused

by old cameras etc. Even today not all movies are being shot in 4k. And I am not looking forward to HDMI 2.1 and buying new video processors, receivers and so on...

By the way the projectors you mentioned are 10.000$ more and not 15.000$. So after negotiating you could end up with a 7500$ plus. And I gotta say: The 995ES is a very visible upgrade over the 885ES. I own it now for 8 weeks and it´s a fantastic piece of
gear. The lens makes a HUGE difference!
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And then? There is really no content for 8k available , not now nor on the horizon. Also with today´s projectors you can see a lot of weaknesses in the filmmaking and mastering of discs. I am not sure if I am ready to watch more grain, noise , artefacts caused

by old cameras etc. Even today not all movies are being shot in 4k. And I am not looking forward to HDMI 2.1 and buying new video processors, receivers and so on...

By the way the projectors you mentioned are 10.000$ more and not 15.000$. So after negotiating you could end up with a 7500$ plus. And I gotta say: The 995ES is a very visible upgrade over the 885ES. I own it now for 8 weeks and it´s a fantastic piece of
gear. The lens makes a HUGE difference!
I seen a few reviews about the lens clarity.

How's the contrast between the 996 and the 885? The black floor?
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I can see a native 8K projector showing up fairly soon from either Sony or JVC.

It has been 8 years since the vw1000es debut(2011) and 4 years since the 4K spec was finalised(2014-15).

4K is nearing the end of it's cycle(or at least the end of it's run being at the avant guard of obtainable resolution for consumers)

If I was considering laying out anything north of $20000 in 2019 and beyond…...it won't be for 4K anymore.
I don't see 8K being a big upgrade driving factor. The differences between 4K and 1080p are subtle. You really have to sit close just to see that much. The differences between 8k and 4k will be even more subtle. Add to this the fact that there's no 8K content. Consider the hassles getting long HDMI cables stable at 4K and now you want it to work well at 8K

I agree with you that it will be released probably soon as you say. I just disagree that it'll be worth upgrading to. 4K is not nearing the end of its life cycle.

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I seen a few reviews about the lens clarity.

How's the contrast between the 996 and the 885? The black floor?
The contrast is significally better but black levels are just slightly improved - my take.

I will know better after calibration...
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All set for the Super Bowl. The 995 is set up and all ready. Just wish they were broadcasting in 4K this year. As good as 1080 looks would have loved to have had it in 4K...

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All set for the Super Bowl. The 995 is set up and all ready. Just wish they were broadcasting in 4K this year. As good as 1080 looks would have loved to have had it in 4K...

I have a legit question for you.

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