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Official Sony VPL-VW995ES/870ES 4K Laser Owner’s Discussion

Here it is. Time to kick off an official Owner’s thread. I am finalizing my Review very soon but felt it was time to get a dedicated thread going for the 995ES. I will post some of my findings here soon. In the meantime below are a few pics of my unboxing. The actual box is reminiscent of the 5000ES box. Like that one you just simply left the top up and your 995ES is sitting right there. More to come very soon...

Current Software Version: 3.000

Initial First Shipment: Dec/2018

https://www.sony.com/electronics/projector/vpl-vw995es

Full Specifications and Features
VPL-VW995ES

$34,999.991

Size & Weight
DIMENSIONS (W X H X D)
22 1/16" x 8 25/32" x 19 17/32”
WEIGHT
Approx. 49 lb (22 kg)
Display
DISPLAY SYSTEM
4K SXRD panel, projection system
DISPLAY RESOLUTION
Computer signal input: Maximum display resolution: 1,920 x 1,080 dots (HDMI input only)/video signal input: 480/60p, 576/50p, 720/60p, 720/50p, 1080/60 i, 1080/50 i, 1080/60p, 1080/50p, 1080/24p, 3840 x 2160/24p, 3840 x 2160/25p, 3840 x 2160/30p, 3840 x 2160/50p, 3840 x 2160/60p, 4096 x 2160/24p, 4096 x 2160/25p, 4096 x 2160/30p, 4096 x 2160/50p, 4096 x 2160/60p
LIGHT SOURCE
Laser diode
General Features
CONTRAST RATIO
∞: 1 (Dynamic Contrast)
EFFECTIVE IMAGER SIZE
0.74" x 3
EFFECTIVE PIXELS
26,542,080 (4096 x 2160 x 3) pixels
PROJECTION LENS SHIFT
VPLL-Z7008 (Optional): Powered V ±50%, H ±18%, VPLL-Z7013 (Bundled): Powered V ±80%, H ±31%
SCREEN SIZE
60" to 300"/1,524 mm to 7,620 mm (diag.)
Hardware
PROJECTION LENS ZOOM / FOCUS
Powered
Interface
INPUT AND OUTPUT TERMINALS
HDMI (2 INPUTS)2 - Digital RGB/Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr, IR IN - Minijack, LAN - RJ45, 10Base-T/100BASE-TX, REMOTE - RS-232C, D-sub 9-pin (male), TRIGGER (2 INPUTS) - Minijack, DC 12 V Max. 100 mA, USB - DC 5 V, Max. 500 mA
Operating Conditions
OPERATING TEMPERATURE / HUMIDITY
41°F to 95°F (5°C to 35°C)/20% to 80% (no condensation)
STORAGE TEMPERATURE / HUMIDITY
14 °F to +140 °F (-10 °C to +60 °C )/20% to 80% (no condensation)
Power
ACOUSTIC NOISE
24 dB3
POWER REQUIREMENT
AC 100 V to 240 V, 4.9 A to 2.2 A, 50/60 Hz
POWER CONSUMPTION
490 W
Video Features
LIGHT OUTPUT
2,200 lm
COLOR LIGHT OUTPUT
2,200 lm
Eco and energy saving
POWER CONSUMPTION (STANDBY MODE)
0.4 W (When "Remote Start" is set to "Off")
POWER CONSUMPTION (NETWORKED STANDBY MODE)
1.0 W (LAN) (When "Remote Start" is set to "On") When a LAN terminal is not connected, it becomes a low power consumption mode (0.5 W).
STANDBY MODE ACTIVATED
After about 10 Minutes
What's In The Box
Remote Control (RM-PJ24)
Size AA (R6) manganese batteries (2)
AC Power Cord (1), Lens Cap (1)
Operating Instructions (CD-ROM)
Quick Reference Manual
Safety Regulations (1)
Active 3D Glasses - TDG-BT500A (Optional)
Short Throw Lens - VPLL-Z7008 (Optional)


FEATURES

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Native 4K resolution for lifelike pictures
With more than four times the resolution of Full HD, native 4K offers 8.8 million pixels (4096 x 2160) for a picture that is incredibly lifelike, which is why it is the resolution defined by the DCI (Digital Cinema Initiative) for theater distribution. See corner-to-corner clarity and watch movies from much closer than you would in Full HD.

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Native 4K SXRD panel
The advanced SXRD panel technology featured in our digital theater projectors delivers native 4K (4096 x 2160) resolution images, with more than four times the detail of Full HD. Fine details are wonderfully clear and natural, without jagged edges or visible pixels.

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See deeper blacks with 4K SXRD™ panels
Latest SXRD panels deliver even better contrast, as well as native 4K resolution. With SXRD projection, you'll see rich, inky blacks, clear cinematic motion and smooth images. Improvements to the reflective silicon layer now mean even better light control, for precisely delivered shadows and blacks.

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Corner-to-corner sharpness with the ARC-F lens
For pristine image quality across the entire screen, the VPL-VW995ES features an All-Range Crisp Focus (ARC-F) lens. This large-aperture lens adopts an all-glass design for its 18 elements, including six extra low-dispersion (ELD) elements. This ensures optimal convergence of the red, green and blue primaries even at the extreme edges of the image for a clear and vivid image wherever you look.

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Digital Focus Optimizer
Optimum focus is achieved, not only optically, but digitally, by the Digital Focus Optimizer. By analyzing every pixel of the images with our own algorithm and detecting possible optical degradation in advance, the Digital Focus Optimizer performs optimum image quality correction, so that even the focus in the corners is better than ever.

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Motorized zoom lens and wide lens shift
Installing this projector in your room is easy with a 2.06x motorized zoom with a wide lens shift range. Adjust the position of the projector up to 85% vertically and 31% horizontally to get just the right angle for your movies without creating image distortion or resolution loss.

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Watch brightness for longer with a Z-Phosphor™ laser light
The VPL-VW995ES uses an ultra-pure and reliable Z-Phosphor™ laser light source. This Sony-developed light source offers bright images for up to 20,000 hours of uninterrupted operation—no lamp replacement and virtually zero maintenance.

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2,200 lumens for high brightness
Savor the action with up to 2,200 lumens of brightness, generated by Sony's Z-Phosphor™ laser light source, for vibrant images even on screens up to 300"/762 cm (diag.).

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Dual contrast
In addition to the dynamically-controlled laser light output, an Advanced Iris is also incorporated. Both the iris control and laser can be adjusted independently and dynamically, to optimize light output for both dark scenes and those with high contrast. The result is deeper blacks than ever, as well as bright, vibrant colors where needed. The infinite dynamic contrast makes every scene spring to life with detail and realism.

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The super-resolution Reality Creation
Sony's exclusive Reality Creation technology analyzes images right down to the pixel level. It then employs pattern-matching algorithms developed over years of movie production to enhance crispness even without increasing digital picture noise. It also upscales existing Full HD Blu-ray Disc™ and DVD movies to near 4K quality.

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4K Motionflow™
The powerful video processor in the VPL-VW995ES offers Motionflow™ for smooth and clear motion, even when viewing 4K content. Motionflow™ is best for fast-moving sports content as it adds frames to reduce blur, while maintaining brightness. Movie theater purists can choose True Theater mode to retain the original 24fps.

Picture Position Memory stores your settings
Store lens, zoom, and shift settings for up to five screen formats for easy recall. Picture Position Memory remembers key settings so you can quickly watch movies in the ideal format. Match aspect ratios, including 16:9 and Cinemascope, and store these settings in the projector.

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18 Gbps capable
With 4K HDR 60P content increasing, the VPL-VW995ES is now 18 Gbps capable for smoother expressions of gradations.

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HDR compatibility: every image comes to life
Get the most from your projector when viewing new UHD Blu-ray and streaming services with High Dynamic Range (HDR). HDR video offers a vastly expanded brightness range to deliver far more realistic, high-contrast images and brilliant colors. Compatible with both HDR10 and HLG (Hybrid Log-Gamma) formats. Sony's home projectors reproduce color and contrast faithfully to creators' intentions.

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Colors come alive with TRILUMINOS™
Discover true-to-life colors and tones. The VPL-VW995ES incorporates TRILUMINOS™ color, reproducing more tones and textures than a standard projector system. Hard-to-reproduce crimson reds, aqua blues, and emerald greens are displayed beautifully, so landscapes and seascapes look more vivid. Faces look better, too, with skin tones more faithfully reproduced.

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Ready for immersive 3D
The VPL-VW995ES has a built-in 3D transmitter that supports 3D video in a variety of formats, and can even simulate your 2D movie classics to high-quality 3D immersive video. The optional glasses use an industry-standard RF connection, making it easy to upgrade to a 3D theater experience.

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HDCP 2.2 compatibility
Both HDMI inputs are compatible with HDCP 2.2—the latest content protection standard.

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Select from nine calibrated picture modes
Quickly calibrate the picture to what you’re watching or playing. Select from nine calibrated picture modes, including two theater film modes, theater digital, reference, TV, photo, game, bright cinema and bright TV. An advanced HSV (Hue Saturation Value) color tuning tool gives you even more control.

IMAX Enhanced
Make the home theater experience bigger and better than ever.
Sony 4K projectors are compatible with IMAX Enhanced content, making them ready to deliver the bigger, more breathtaking IMAX visuals you love in compatible content. Take advantage of the size of your projector screen with movies that become even more immersive with IMAX Enhanced.
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I have just received mine vw870 today, thanks to Laurent of Xtrem Screen France. He will take the place of a vw760 🙂.
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I’m already adding this to my Review but last night we watched the new Mission Impossible with family on the 995ES! Wow!!

I am hoping to have it done this weekend...

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This was a Live Photo taken from my iPhone X. I couldn’t t pause the movie with guests over but I am very impressed. Full screen sharpness combined with seamless motion makes the 995 the new ____!

More to come.
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This was a Live Photo taken from my iPhone X. I couldn’t t pause the movie with guests over but I am very impressed. Full screen sharpness combined with seamless motion makes the 995 the new ____!

More to come.
Congrats with your new toy!

Could you tell us something about your screen?

- Size
- Aspect ratio
- Gain
- AT?
- Brand & type

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My equipment I am using:

Sony VPL-VW995ES, Stewart Studiotek 144 ST100 16:9, McIntosh MX160, Apple 4K TV, Datasat RA7300 Amps X 2, DirecTV 4K, Oppo UDP-205 4K Player, Darblet DVP 5000S, Samsung UBD-K8500 4K Ultra Blu-ray player, Integral 2 HDFury, Monster Power HTS 5100, DENON DVP-602CI Video Processor (for DirecTV), DVDO iScan DUO Video Processor (for DirecTV), Value View 3D glasses, Antec Component Coolers, Speakers: MARTIN LOGAN ILLUSION Center, IMPRESSIONS (Left and Right), VANQUISH (HEIGHTS & ATMOS & Top), AXIS (Backs), Subwoofers- Martin Logan BalancedForce 212 X 2, Dayton APA150 Sub AMP x 2, 8 Aura Pro Bass Shakers, 8 Black Seatcraft Venetian Home Theater Chairs (with Raffel Integrated Lighted Cup Holders), Remote: Harmony 1100, HARMONY ELITE. Cables: Audioquest & Monster Black Platinum shorter HDMI cables top to bottom. And two 32 Audioquest (Cinnamon & Forest) HDMI cables.
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Finalizing my Review. Will be done very soon.
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And today was my Birthday and we still got it published.

The last time I posted a link to my Review I got a warning so I guess I am not allowed to do that anymore. It’s not hard to find if you search my name with home theater. I am contemplating asking Ken to come and measure it soon. If he does I will post his findings and update the Review.
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And today was my Birthday and we still got it published.

The last time I posted a link to my Review I got a warning so I guess I am not allowed to do that anymore. It’s not hard to find if you search my name with home theater. I am contemplating asking Ken to come and measure it soon. If he does I will post his findings and update the Review.
Already did a quick read of your review. It was really informative and no-nonsense (thank you for that!), but I was surprised by your comments on screen size versus PJ choice, stating a 5000 is only useful (for its extra light output) above 14 foot and a 995 is more than enough to light up a 12 to 14 foot screen. This is opposed to many people on this forum saying one can't have enough light for HDR, especially when combined with an AT screen.


Anyway, thanks a lot you for your reviewing efforts, it's greatly appreciated.

Oh, and happy birthday!
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The 5000 definitely is more bright and thus better for HDR no matter what screen size but most of the people who read my Reviews want to know if it is worth the extra money. My answer is no. It is going on three years old. The 995ES is very bright. And also very quiet. They had it at a show for installers/dealers a couple months back and it lit up a huge screen from well over 20 feet back. It was quite impressive and it received a standing ovation. I have a pic from it and will ask what exact screen size it was. This was taken from the back of the room and the pic was cropped to show how the screen was lit up- so please don’t just be the image quality.

But as far as HDR again I had guests over and between both projectors my guests could not tell a difference. Actually a few of them did in fact prefer the 995 with DFO engaged but if the 5000 gets it in an update that will be a moot point anyway. The 995 even with its laser over 80 is very quiet. If you have a larger screen I suggest using the Brilliant Cinema pic mode. Tweaking it a little like I have Film 1 set up and HDR is brilliant. No pun intended.
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Actually a few of them did in fact prefer the 995 with DFO engaged
Have you left it enabled for all sources? In your review it seemed like you were only enabling it for a lower quality source (DirecTV). I'm just wondering how you are finding it for higher quality sources, as in Ekki's 760/885 comparative review it appeared that DFO had too much smoothing and/or dithering with the samples he tried.
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Have you left it enabled for all sources? In your review it seemed like you were only enabling it for a lower quality source (DirecTV). I'm just wondering how you are finding it for higher quality sources, as in Ekki's 760/885 comparative review it appeared that DFO had too much smoothing and/or dithering with the samples he tried.
That’s a really good question. At first it was mainly for DirecTV which made me decide to lose the Darbee for 1080p and below resolutions. Then we left it on for a few HDR10 movies and now I am a believer. To our eyes it enhances more than hurts the image. I am working on some tweaks. To help offset any side effects.


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Upgraded from VW760ES.
I have full light controlled room, and 120” gain 1 reference white screen with masking.
Panasonic UB900 player. Comparison is made with the reference picture mode.

VW 870ES first impressions:
The optics and DFO makes a big difference even my wife and kids noticed that picture is sharper and there is more definition.
Lens shift motor is changed and its operation is quieter.
The black level is little bit lower. It’s easy to see and test with very dark or almost black scene.
In settings menu: dynamic control
• off - no iris and no laser dimming,
• limited - laser dimming is turned on and the black level is “probably” the same as with vw760.
• full - laser dimming is on and iris is working. Iris movement is visible but it’s moves very little. Iris closes around 30%. They definitely should make it more aggressive.
I hoped that the lack level would be better, but there is change so now with normal viewing it doesn’t bother me anymore like it bothered with the VW760.
Black details visibility with HDR is not improved. it’s still cannot resolve lower than 0.100 in test table that comes with Sony UHD 4K disks. With UHD disk I need to rise brightness to 56.
Fan noise it’s different with vw760es full laser it had constant fan speed. Now with vw870 the speed will vary and change probably by projectors temperature. But this fan speed change and noise variation is more noticeable compared to constant noise. (in quiet room with no audio playing)
It’s brighter but not much I cannot measure it right now. 760es already had enough brightness for me.
I need more time to test it and watch movies then I will get better picture how small or big are the improvements.
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Black details visibility with HDR is not improved. it’s still cannot resolve lower than 0.100 in test table that comes with Sony UHD 4K disks. With UHD disk I need to rise brightness to 56.
Congratulations on your new unit. I get a black level between 0.006 and 0.008 on a regular basis when I measure my 885ES with brightness at 50 and right at 100 max white nits from just in front of the seating (about 14 feet from the screen). I use a custom HDR curve and that might be it as it allows me to match the HDR standard curve exactly from 2% up to my beginning roll-off point. I definitely have to use the curve to pull gamma down at the low-end. I continue to believe these machines are engineered better than the standard presets allow.
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Fan noise it’s different with vw760es full laser it had constant fan speed. Now with vw870 the speed will vary and change probably by projectors temperature. But this fan speed change and noise variation is more noticeable compared to constant noise. (in quiet room with no audio playing)
It’s brighter but not much I cannot measure it right now.
Were you using the same mount? Maybe it's an illusion, but it looks like you have the projector mounted awfully close to the rear wall. Both the 760 and 870 exhaust out of the rear, correct? (Though even if just intake, that would be an issue) Maybe temperature is building around your 870?

(Sony's setup guide for the 885/760 is odd. It shows to leave just 2" to the sides and rear and 6" above, but then states to leave 12" all around)

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Were you using the same mount? Maybe it's an illusion, but it looks like you have the projector mounted awfully close to the rear wall. Both the 760 and 870 exhaust out of the rear, correct? (Though even if just intake, that would be an issue) Maybe temperature is building around your 870?

(Sony's setup guide for the 885/760 is odd. It shows to leave just 2" to the sides and rear and 6" above, but then states to leave 12" all around)
Whilst the example above is mounted too close to the rear wall for my liking, the rear of the projector has an angle in it so even if it is flush, there will always be some airflow back there.

These models exhaust out of the rear, unlike the lamp models.

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Would NOT recommend this projector for screens much bigger than 10' wide, unless they are of the higher gain variety. Light output is very much on par with the previous 885. Plenty of light for screens if SDR is desired (easily over 10 ft wide) but not so much for HDR targets (around 30 fL).
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Upgraded from VW760ES.
I have full light controlled room, and 120” gain 1 reference white screen with masking.
Panasonic UB900 player. Comparison is made with the reference picture mode.

VW 870ES first impressions:
The optics and DFO makes a big difference even my wife and kids noticed that picture is sharper and there is more definition.
Lens shift motor is changed and its operation is quieter.
The black level is little bit lower. It’s easy to see and test with very dark or almost black scene.
In settings menu: dynamic control
• off - no iris and no laser dimming,
• limited - laser dimming is turned on and the black level is “probably” the same as with vw760.
• full - laser dimming is on and iris is working. Iris movement is visible but it’s moves very little. Iris closes around 30%. They definitely should make it more aggressive.
I hoped that the lack level would be better, but there is change so now with normal viewing it doesn’t bother me anymore like it bothered with the VW760.
Black details visibility with HDR is not improved. it’s still cannot resolve lower than 0.100 in test table that comes with Sony UHD 4K disks. With UHD disk I need to rise brightness to 56.
Fan noise it’s different with vw760es full laser it had constant fan speed. Now with vw870 the speed will vary and change probably by projectors temperature. But this fan speed change and noise variation is more noticeable compared to constant noise. (in quiet room with no audio playing)
It’s brighter but not much I cannot measure it right now. 760es already had enough brightness for me around 73 FL on screen.
Now I need more time to test it and watch movies then I will get better picture how small or big are the improvements.

Are you sure about 70+ FL? 120” screen is around 60 sq ft right? 120” diagonal is probably closer to 50 sq ft but calibrated lumens should be around 1600-1800 I would think. These are just ballpark numbers but wouldn’t your FL be closer to 30-35 FL maxed out on this projector?
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Would NOT recommend this projector for screens much bigger than 10' wide, unless they are of the higher gain variety. Light output is very much on par with the previous 885. Plenty of light for screens if SDR is desired (easily over 10 ft wide) but not so much for HDR targets (around 30 fL).
I do NOT want to turn this Owner’s thread into a debate but this is the complete opposite of what we are seeing. Everyone has been amazed and there is plenty of brightness. HDR looks terrific. Close to 11 foot screen and as many as said it looks “OLED” like.

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I look at AVS forum as a place that people go to try to make a more informed decision than just subjective commentary when deciding to buy or not buy a $35K projector. While "it looks good" may be good enough for your circle, I actually measure. I have a 144" diagonal scope screen (ST100) that is slightly more than 10' wide. The highest light output I can measure on this projector so far is about 25 fL with anything remotely approaching an accurate white point. So saying things like: "995 is more than enough to light up a 12 to 14 foot screen" is patently false for those looking to spec this projector for a screen size that big with light output for HDR. I realize completely this comment was not specific to you, but you essentially backed up this finding with your follow on post. I think if Ken came out and did some actual measurements in your room, he'd find the same thing. And my measurements are with the projector about 14-15 ft from the screen, so no where near the longest throw. Again, plenty of light output for SDR, no questions about it. But if you are trying to spec for HDR and are trying to hit numbers like "30 fL", you really need to be careful.

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I have an 885ES and from 14.5' I have it throw between 90 and 97 nits on a 128" diagonal 16x9 screen which I take to be between 26 and 29 fL max. (Hopefully my nits to fL is correct!) White balance is actually better for the top 70%. If I do the service menu trick I get up to about 120 nits but the white balance is way, way off so I have left it where it is. This is all built on a custom HDR curve in Bright TV measured with a K10a through Light Space. So I would expect the 995ES projector to do a little better and the more light the better. OOTB Sony in-built HDR curves don't give me anywhere near these levels so I can easily see why someone would get a lot less light.
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I look at AVS forum as a place that people go to try to make a more informed decision than just subjective commentary when deciding to buy or not buy a $35K projector. While "it looks good" may be good enough for your circle, I actually measure. I have a 144" diagonal scope screen (ST100) that is slightly more than 10' wide. The highest light output I can measure on this projector so far is about 25 fL with anything remotely approaching an accurate white point. So saying things like: "995 is more than enough to light up a 12 to 14 foot screen" is patently false for those looking to spec this projector for a screen size that big with light output for HDR. I realize completely this comment was not specific to you, but you essentially backed up this finding with your follow on post. I think if Ken came out and did some actual measurements in your room, he'd find the same thing. And my measurements are with the projector about 14-15 ft from the screen, so no where near the longest throw. Again, plenty of light output for SDR, no questions about it. But if you are trying to spec for HDR and are trying to hit numbers like "30 fL", you really need to be careful.
Measure all you want but to our eyes it is plenty bright. I could have predicted you would “measure” that anyway. I also could have predicted you would slam this projector. I am also using a ST100 screen. Different folks different strokes. If we want to call them that.

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Curves don't change how bright the projector is, they change the gamma which effects the brightness of the first 100 nits of the HDR signal and the perception of brightness in the image itself. Again, NOTHING to do with actual peak white output. Your screen is also just over 9 feet wide and you are already under 30 fL, so going more than 10' would again back up my claim. The 995ES may claim to be 10% brighter than the 885ES, but I am not seeing that in my measurements. The light engine is identical, the difference is in the f Stop of the lens.

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Measure all you want but to our eyes it is plenty bright. I could have predicted you would “measure” that anyway. I also could have predicted you would slam this projector. I am also using a ST100 screen. Different folks different strokes. If we want to call them that.

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First, I never read your "Review". And I'm not sure where you saw my "slam" as I don't remember saying anything bad about the projector. I simply stated that those looking to use this with a larger screen may want to know exactly how much light it actually puts out, not what you and your guests thought was bright. Subjective comments only apply to the usage case they were seen in.

But then again I would expect a glowing subjective review from someone who literally had a link to Sony's projector page in their signature just days ago. But you'll probably say I'm biased because I actually measure things or something along those lines.

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You brought up the word biased not me. Cracks me up how you couldn’t wait to stop by in the owner’s thread to try and rain on the parade. I like Sony projectors. No secret there. I also plan to Review the NX9 when it finally shows up next year sometime.

And others who have seen it have been very positive about it. Even Craig Peer said it and the NX9 were best of show.

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Curves don't change how bright the projector is, they change the gamma which effects the brightness of the first 100 nits of the HDR signal and the perception of brightness in the image itself. Again, NOTHING to do with actual peak white output. Your screen is also just over 9 feet wide and you are already under 30 fL, so going more than 10' would again back up my claim. The 995ES may claim to be 10% brighter than the 885ES, but I am not seeing that in my measurements. The light engine is identical, the difference is in the f Stop of the lens.

If you are addressing this to me me I don't disagree with anything you are saying...while brighter is better, I will also defer to you that the actual brightness of the 995ES over the 885ES may be marginal. To me the value for choosing the 995ES would be in lens, different dimming /iris system, etc. and lumens probably last on the list over the 885ES. Given how they have implemented the major feature step-ups I can see why it may or may not be worth it to people who are first time buyers vs those that are thinking of trading up. Joe says it looks great and I think that is probably absolutely true as well.
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You brought up the word biased not me. Cracks me up how you couldn’t wait to stop by in the owner’s thread to try and rain on the parade. I like Sony projectors. No secret there. I also plan to Review the NX9 when it finally shows up next year sometime.

And others who have seen it have been very positive about it. Even Craig Peer said it and the NX9 were best of show.

Either way the 995ES deserves a glowing review and I stand behind my comments.
WTF Joe. Do you even read the stuff you write? For one, you're not any more of an "owner" of this projector than I am. You're reviewing it, or did you decide to sell your 5000ES for it?

I also didn't come on this thread to rain on anyone's parade, I have not said a single bad thing about the projector. I just merely stated that this projector may not provide the amount of light needed for HDR playback on screens over 10 feet wide. That isn't a slam, it certainly doesn't say anything about the quality of the image either. It just helps inform prospective owners that may want the light output that most talk about for HDR (30 fL) that they may not want to spec a screen over 10 ft wide. I can say the same thing about A LOT of other projectors including most of the JVC lineup and the Sony lineup. Feel free to disagree with my commentary on the projector's actual performance when I actually publish it, but I haven't said anything about it yet.

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If you are addressing this to me me I don't disagree with anything you are saying...while brighter is better, I will also defer to you that the actual brightness of the 995ES over the 885ES may be marginal. To me the value for choosing the 995ES would be in lens, different dimming /iris system, etc. and lumens probably last on the list over the 885ES. Given how they have implemented the major feature step-ups I can see why it may or may not be worth it to people who are first time buyers vs those that are thinking of trading up. Joe says it looks great and I think that is probably absolutely true as well.
I agree that the difference in light between the two is marginal, I have both of them in my room right now. I am also well aware of their differences. I just wanted to make sure that others readers understood that just because the image looks "brighter" with a custom HDR curve rather than the factory ones, it is not actually "brighter" in the same way that measuring the peak output of the projector reports brightness. It is simply subjectively because of the difference in the tone map. Just like a 2.0 gamma can look "brighter" than a 2.4 gamma. The last thing I want those that don't understand these things to think is that they can somehow make this projector measurably brighter by using a custom HDR tone map vs the stock tone maps.
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