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New ATI Processor announced

I stopped by ATI's CES exhibit yesterday. They are showing a new ATP-16 16 channel DSP based prepro with Atmos and X. It's powered by a new TI 1 GHz DSP that does all the processing. Auro is technically available but it's inclusion depends on further negotiations. Pricing to be announced. Availability should be Q1.


ATI was also showing new monoblock amps rated at 500W RMS, 8 oms based on bridged Hypex NC-500 modules. The monoblocks are essentially 1/2 of ATI's currently available AT542NC with (obviously) independent chassis and power supply.


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Thanks, Jeff!

I’m very interested in the new monoblock amps. Looking forward to hearing more information!
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I am NOT upgrading again - YET! I gotta be happy with my five Theta Digital Prometheus monoblocks! HA!

As you should be. Unless you need 1200W RMS at 8 ohms, IMHO Prometheus is still Best in Class.



If you need the 1200 W, I'd recommend multiple bridged Dreadnaught D's!


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I stopped by ATI's CES exhibit yesterday. They are showing a new ATP-16 16 channel DSP based prepro with Atmos and X. It's powered by a new TI 1 GHz DSP that does all the processing. Auro is technically available but it's inclusion depends on further negotiations. Pricing to be announced. Availability should be Q1.


ATI was also showing new monoblock amps rated at 500W RMS, 8 oms based on bridged Hypex NC-500 modules. The monoblocks are essentially 1/2 of ATI's currently available AT542NC with (obviously) independent chassis and power supply.


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Also releasing this as Monoprice Monolith HTP-1 for $4000.
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Also releasing this as Monoprice Monolith HTP-1 for $4000.

According to ATI, the units are not the same.



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According to ATI, the units are not the same.

Any info as to the differences?

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posting to subscribe to this thread. Have their ATI Class D amps and this would be nice to finish off the setup.
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Any info as to the differences?

Beyond display size I did not ask and do not know.


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Is this new from ground up or reworked Datasat L10?

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Is this new from ground up or reworked Datasat L10?

Don't know. Physically the rear panel resembles the LS-10 but the LS-10 is SHARC based so the internals must be very different.


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Don't know. Physically the rear panel resembles the LS-10 but the LS-10 is SHARC based so the internals must be very different.


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This will be released this spring ? Hope to see some reviews ! I was thinking the Monoprice is the same thing as ATI , but you are saying they are different, correct? Could be a big seller if reviews say it is TOP notch in sound quality. Praying it is . A wait and see.
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According to ATI, the units are not the same.



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Too many similarities, I think the Monoprice is based on this unit.
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Nice picture from Stereophile , ATI immersive pre-processor ATP-16 and AT541 NC monoblock amplifier . I'm not surprised as many other brands OEM from ATI but in some different designed depend on products price level
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Nice picture from Stereophile , ATI immersive pre-processor ATP-16 and AT541 NC monoblock amplifier . I'm not surprised as many other brands OEM from ATI but in some different designed depend on products price level
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Also releasing this as Monoprice Monolith HTP-1 for $4000.
As Monoprice says this is built in the US, I wouldn't be surprised if ATI is building it for Monoprice. Too bad its not ROON Ready though.

https://www.audioholics.com/av-pream...monolith-htp-1
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Is this still a thing? Or has ATI just decided to let the Monoprice HTP-1 be it? Just curious.
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Its been mentioned in other threads that ATI is not actually building the Monoprice SSP. However, the company that is building it has good relations with ATI (Amplifier Technologies) as one of their suppliers and some time ago John Baloff of ATI-Theta tech support told me that ATI-Theta was assisting in the specing, etc of the unit but not actually building it.

As for the ATI SSP, good question re is it still coming out? My guess is yes - but delays due to parts suppliers, which often occurs with ATI-Theta Digital products based on past experience.

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As Monoprice says this is built in the US, I wouldn't be surprised if ATI is building it for Monoprice. Too bad its not ROON Ready though.



https://www.audioholics.com/av-pream...monolith-htp-1
It is Roon Ready.
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Is this still a thing? Or has ATI just decided to let the Monoprice HTP-1 be it? Just curious.
The ATP-16 is said to be based on the Datasat LS10v2. I don't think you will hear much more regarding the ATP-16 until the LS10v2 plans are firm.
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It is Roon Ready.
WRONG! The Monoprice is not ROON Ready. To be ROON Ready, it would accept the digital audio via ethernet or wireless ethernet and then process as a ROON Ready endpoint.

The quote from Audioholics states "We’re still seeing a push for smart home integration at CES and the HTP-1 doesn’t disappoint with Alexa compatibility. In addition the HTC-1 ships with a Chromcast dongle for basic Ethernet Audio like Pandora, Spotify, etc and it can be used as a Roon endpoint."

I don't know where you got that picture showing "ROON Ready" because its not from the Audioholics article!

What this means is that since it ships with a Chromecast dongle, the dongle plugs into most probably HDMI (beause existing Google Chromecast dongles plug into HDMI), and the dongle is the ROON Ready endpoint itself. Chromecast HDMI dongles are limited to 48k, and HDMI sonics simply are not near as good as coaxial or AES/EBU sonics (although not bad when you don't compare in a more audiophile type system).

For years I had a custom built PC, HDMI out, for both 2 channel and multi-channel music, also USB out for 2 channel only, first using JRiver MC, then ROON. 2 channel via USB simply sounded better than HDMI, although HDMI wasn't "bad". And when I moved to a separate ROON Ready device (Sonore Microrendu, then Sonore Signature Rendu SE, then Sonore Signature Rendu SE Optical, the sonics for 2 channel improved even more. I used a Berkeley Audio USB to AES/EBU converter then for 2 channel into the Theta CBIV and later CBIVA SSP. When I got my non-Theta SSP that is ROON Ready and finally set it up earlier this year, I found that its ROON Ready ethernet sounded just as good as using the Sonore Signature Rendu SE/Berkely combo so I sold those components. ROON Ready is the best real deal for music. Using a Chromecast HDMI dongle is ok for most folks, not for me - I only use it for background music with video on display for a few tvs around the house. But heck, the Monoprice SSP with a msrp of only $4-5K, being ROON Ready would add some to the cost - and in that price range the difference in sonics using Chromecast HDMI vs ROON Ready won't be nearly as pronounced, if at all, as with a high end SSP.

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I'm not being purposely argumentative. I must simply correct the misinformation you have posted. It is your prerogative whether or not you choose to trust my information.

I didn't get the picture showing the Roon Ready from any magazine. It is a picture I took of the front panel of a HTP-1 beta in my rack. I've had the unit for about a month now. The aforementioned Chromecast dongle is no longer being included (most already own their preferred streamer). The unit is indeed supporting Roon Ready over IP. Predicting the sonics of this unit by it's MSRP is imprudent, but understandable.

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Marc, what was confusing is that the Audioholics article that you cited to doesn't say ROON Ready, only that it has a Chromecast dongle. But now you tell us that you have a demo unit and that your picture is the front display - so that's great news. I assume that you are playing music using ROON over the Monoprice SSP's ethernet connection? If so, again, great news! At an outstanding price point!

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Marc, what was confusing is that the Audioholics article that you cited to doesn't say ROON Ready, only that it has a Chromecast dongle.
It is definitely confusing, since it was you that posted the link.

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As Monoprice says this is built in the US, I wouldn't be surprised if ATI is building it for Monoprice. Too bad its not ROON Ready though.

https://www.audioholics.com/av-pream...monolith-htp-1
This report is from CES 2019, 11 months ago. You needed to read the CEDIA 2019 reports for more up to date info.
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It is definitely confusing, since it was you that posted the link.


This report is from CES 2019, 11 months ago. You needed to read the CEDIA 2019 reports for more up to date info.
Marc, I had read nothing about the Monoprice SSP being "ROON Ready", as opposed to having a Google Chromecast dongle supplied with it, until your post the other day. But you quoted the old Audioholics article which apparently is no longer completely accurate since you have the beta of the unit and it obviously from your front panel display picture is ROON Ready!

Just want to confirm, you are playing ROON via its ethernet connection? Please confirm.

Assuming this is the case, quite phenomenal that a $4-5k SSP is ROON Ready. And as I've stated from my experience, ROON Ready via ethernet certainly if implemented well (as in Trinnov Altitude SSPs) has potential to sound fantastic!

I was at CEDIA 2019 and I didn't see any press re the Monoprice SSP being ROON Ready - did I mss it? If you have it please post a link or a photo of the press release. Thanks.

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Marc, I had read nothing about the Monoprice SSP being "ROON Ready", as opposed to having a Google Chromecast dongle supplied with it, until your post the other day. But you quoted the old Audioholics article which apparently is no longer completely accurate since you have the beta of the unit and it obviously from your front panel display picture is ROON Ready!



Just want to confirm, you are playing ROON via its ethernet connection? Please confirm. yes



Assuming this is the case, quite phenomenal that a $4-5k SSP is ROON Ready. And as I've stated from my experience, ROON Ready via ethernet certainly if implemented well (as in Trinnov Altitude SSPs) has potential to sound fantastic!



I was at CEDIA 2019 and I didn't see any press re the Monoprice SSP being ROON Ready - did I mss it? If you have it please post a link or a photo of the press release. Thanks.
You missed it at CEDIA. I missed the ATI booth myself. This is the slick from CEDIA:
Simply Google Monolith HTP-1 CEDIA for several media outlets coverages. @MonolithGuy (Hobie Sechrest) did a few interviews at CEDIA. Here is one with AV Nirvana:

https://www.avnirvana.com/threads/ce...led-subs.3881/
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Could this be the beginning of a trend for pre pros, Roon MCH endpoint?

It would be awesome to rack these things up and do multiroom multichannel audio. Besides the cinema. Surround music in the living room, family room, master bedroom, around the pool. This makes it finally possible.

It would be great if the new JBL SDP 55 incorporated roon for multiroom. Soon enough amazon music will have an HT friendly Dolby atmos and SONY reality audio playback solution this opens up a new world of multiroom multichannel audio, including in-ceiling speakers, invisible speakers, and rock speakers outdoors.

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Actually, at CEDIA 2018, I spent 45 minutes with Morris of ATI, and I emphasized the importance of their SSPs (I was interested in the Theta Digital Casablanca at that time, as I had owned it since 1997 with every upgrade) becoming ROON Ready, and within the next day I confirmed with the top dogs at ROON at CEDIA that Morris had already talked to them and they were working with ATI-Theta on making the SSPs ROON Ready.

For whatever reason, the Theta Digital Casablanca V, that just came out, is NOT ROON Ready. However, the fact that the Monoprice SSP is is great news! Is this the start of a trend? Well, the latest MacIntosh MC-170 just came out and is not ROON Ready either. But I understand that some new receivers coming out, such as Onkyo, may be ROON Ready. So ROON is coming, but with some takes longer than others apparently. The fact that Monoprice is doing this is outstanding!
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At CEDIA 2019 JBL mentioned that the new JBL SDP 55 SSP has some sort of propriety music software - but its not ROON. I asked them about that and the answer was then NO!

Theater Renovation: 3 Aerial Acoustics 7ts & 6 7LCRs; 13 Triad Rotating Silver/9 Sat; 9 Seaton 21" sealed subwoofers; Trinnov Altitude 32 SSP; 3 Theta Digital Prometheus, Trinnov Amplitude 8 & 8M, and ATI AT526NC amplifiers; Sony VW5000 projector; Lumagen Radiance Pro; Panamorph DCR lens; Stewart Filmscreen Vistascope 14' wide 2.40 SnoMatte 100 screen; Kaleidescape & Pioneer UDP-LX500 4k players; Apple TV 4k; TIVO Bolt OTA.
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