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New Acurus Muse 16 channel SSP w $5500 msrp

The less expensive 16 channel SSP competition is heating up. Monoprice, ATI, Emotiva and now Acurus:

https://www.cepro.com/article/16_cha...52&bid=2369482
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The less expensive 16 channel SSP competition is heating up. Monoprice, ATI, Emotiva and now Acura:

https://www.cepro.com/article/16_cha...52&bid=2369482

Yes, definitely heating up. Those wanting to upgrade definitely have a lot of affordable options.

When I saw your post I thought you had bought a new Acura with a factory 16 channel SSP

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Yes, definitely heating up. Those wanting to upgrade definitely have a lot of affordable options.

When I saw your post I thought you had bought a new Acura with a factory 16 channel SSP
No - the Acurus is too low of an Altitude for me! I still luv my Theta Digital Casablanca IV-A.

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Should be "Acurus".
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Should be "Acurus".
Thank the Lord for the spelling checkers!!! My oldest daughter a Special Ed teacher loves doing that to me!!! Love it!
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More details on new ACURUS MUSE , 15.1 channels Native decoding Dolby Atmos and Native 11.1 DTS:X , 12 XLR input plus 4 DB9 to XLR input (aux 4 channels for LTR/RTR and LW/RW ) , NATIVE speaker layout 9.1.6 Dolby Atmos , as confirmed by manufacturer its' sound perform almost same as ACT4-20 ( 20 Channels @ native 15.1 ) , as it chip based designed like others high end pre-processor then no noise generate from CPU and exhaust fan , 5 years warranty , Made in USA
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how is the room correction Acurus uses thought to be?
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how is the room correction Acurus uses thought to be?
AFAICT, it’s minimum phase only.
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thanks - any idea how it’s results compare to dirac, audyssey, arc etc?
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thanks - any idea how it’s results compare to dirac, audyssey, arc etc?
As we talk to manufacture they are confident that the ASPEQT will be perform well but more easier for owner to use with their ACURUS pre-processor
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More details on new ACURUS MUSE , 15.1 channels Native decoding Dolby Atmos and Native 11.1 DTS:X , 12 XLR input plus 4 DB9 to XLR input (aux 4 channels for LTR/RTR and LW/RW ) , NATIVE speaker layout 9.1.6 Dolby Atmos , as confirmed by manufacturer its' sound perform almost same as ACT4-20 ( 20 Channels @ native 15.1 ) , as it chip based designed like others high end pre-processor then no noise generate from CPU and exhaust fan , 5 years warranty , Made in USA
Very nice. I still have ARAGON 4004 amp, which I think is distant cousin twice removed from the ACURUS brand? If so, I wonder if any of the original Aragon people still around with Acurus.

Just curious - what is cost of the room correction "kit"? Additional or included with the SSP's MSRP?

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Very nice. I still have ARAGON 4004 amp, which I think is distant cousin twice removed from the ACURUS brand? If so, I wonder if any of the original Aragon people still around with Acurus.

Just curious - what is cost of the room correction "kit"? Additional or included with the SSP's MSRP?
New ARAGON still very nice compare to today price Concerning ACURUS room correction the software already inside units but the necessaries tool kit sell separately cost $ 2,459 MSRP , normally user don't have to buy this tool kit as it should done by installer .

"Tuning hardware “kit” for installers consisting of four measurement microphones, mic stands, cables, and a small, networked microphone pre-amp and processing unit that is web-controlled."
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New ARAGON still very nice compare to today price Concerning ACURUS room correction the software already inside units but the necessaries tool kit sell separately cost $ 2,459 MSRP , normally user don't have to buy this tool kit as it should done by installer .

"Tuning hardware “kit” for installers consisting of four measurement microphones, mic stands, cables, and a small, networked microphone pre-amp and processing unit that is web-controlled."
Thanks. Room correction/calibration is meant to be performed by dealer/installer unless you get the kit?

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Really interesting offerings. The folks at IAL are very helpful and responsive.

The only let down was when another dealer and I wanted to visit and spend a day or 2 with products the don’t have a true listening or demo room. The suggested a dealer site. That took a little wind of the sail.

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Yep ! but actually we can use free software like REW ( Room EQ Wizard )with ACURUS and quite perfect setup
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The one thing I like about the Emotiva is that it will be upgradeable in the future to 24 channels. I'm not sure any of the other processors in that price range are expandable beyond 16 channels. That makes the Emotiva an incredible deal if they can fix the software bugs. Otherwise you're looking at spending 5 figures on a Trinnov Altitude.
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ACURUS Pre-processor always upgradeable both hardware and software as promised . If in future chip based pre-processor can handle more channels count I'm sure that ACURUS will be upgradeable .
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Per the specs, no HDMI 2.1. Which seems like a sin at that price range. Also ASPEQT? Can it do Trinnov speaker location shifting? How competitive is it with Dirac Live? To me, roll your own EQ just screams of saving money on licensing fees - again, something that doesn't feel very premium for the money.


The only advantages this seems to have over an HTP-1 is that it are (1) shipping now (huge if you need it now) and (2) made in the USA (which is something that can be debatable given how these things are calculated.)

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The advantage of ACURUS MUSE -16 not only made in USA and Shipping now but it really sound GREAT !! .
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Per the specs, no HDMI 2.1. Which seems like a sin at that price range. Also ASPEQT? Can it do Trinnov speaker location shifting? How competitive is it with Dirac Live? To me, roll your own EQ just screams of saving money on licensing fees - again, something that doesn't feel very premium for the money.


The only advantages this seems to have over an HTP-1 is that it are (1) shipping now (huge if you need it now) and (2) made in the USA (which is something that can be debatable given how these things are calculated.)
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I wonder how it compares to a Marantz 8805. If one can get passed the name, it appears the Marantz has pretty decent sonics.
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I wonder how it compares to a Marantz 8805. If one can get passed the name, it appears the Marantz has pretty decent sonics.
If you compare Acurus MUSE-16 to Marantz 8805 , it's every easy to hear the Muse-16 sound much better than Marantz 8805. Please find Acurus dealer shop near you to try .
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If you compare Acurus MUSE-16 to Marantz 8805 , it's every easy to hear the Muse-16 sound much better than Marantz 8805. Please find Acurus dealer shop near you to try .
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I did connect ACURUS MUSE-16 with Theta Dreadnaught D in 9.1.6 speakers layout .
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My installer, Gerry Behm, [email protected], often uses this SSP in his installs! So Acurus definitely sells lots via the custom install market with the installer setting up the room correction.

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I did connect ACURUS MUSE-16 with Theta Dreadnaught D in 9.1.6 speakers layout .
It sounds (no pun intended) like you like it, but it still does not explain "it's every easy to hear the Muse-16 sound much better than Marantz 8805".


What is your basis for this statement?
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I will jump in here.. and say that I literally just upgraded from a Marantz AV8802A to an Acurus Muse and the difference in sound quality is night and day. Ill preface this by adding that I spent 20 years in the AV industry in home cinema design. So I do know more than enough to be a little dangerous....

Lets get the bad / niggles out of the way first:

1. Throw the remote in the bin. It’s rubbish. Probably a cold war relic from the 70’s… ok.. most people wont use it, so its ok, but my wife likes a remote (she hates universal remotes - go figure, and a web interface to her is what a star trek teleport is to a cave man - unintelligible). You can argue the remote does what its supposed to, but for a processor that costs around $6k USD I think a better remote would have been nice. Heck, even if I had to pay extra for it I would likely buy it. All of that said.. for me I really like the web interface for control.

2. Where is the Mic Calibration Kit?

3. The manual is almost as useless as the remote. Now thankfully set up is really VERY intuitive and anyone with basic Home Cinema experience can probably do it without a manual (I did). But I did look to the manual for details regarding PEQ setup - but there is ZERO information in the manual on how to do this outside of very basic information on what the PEQ 'is'.. so I haven’t touched it. See point 2 - Where is the Mic Kit? Id also like to understand what the high and low frequency cut offs in the set up menu are supposed to do (not covered in the manual at all)….Are these roll offs to emulate a THX curve for example?

4. Whats with the volume control running from 0 to 95? Where is reference level? Nothing in the manual at all about this… so I had to guess that the unit has around 10-15DB headroom over reference and reference was therefore somewhere around ’80’. So thats what I used to calibrate it to 75DBC weighted with pink noise. I couldn’t take it any further than this (other than setting the obvious like cross overs) since I have no mic kit.. see point 2 - Where is the Mic Kit? Yes, you could calibrate it with REW, but I don't have that at present.

5. I could not set time delays accurately (I did it by ear) since I have no Mic Kit….. are we seeing a theme here?

6. Lastly on the ‘bad, or rather room for improvement front’ the web interface for control is very nice (love it actually) - but why cant I access the setup screen from the HTML interface? Its a pain to have to keep getting up to the touch panel on the muse in the rack every time you want to make a set up change. Also, the HTML interface needs a ‘Home’ button, so you can navigate off the setup screen on the unit back to the main screen when playing content. Id also like the ability to custom name the various inputs since my wife does not understand that i/o1 = Blue Ray (no matter how many times I will tell her this).

Ok.. thats out of the way lets talk about the good (because its very, very good).

1. Sound Quality is really beautiful. Even right out of the box at defaults this things sounds gorgeous. Its very neutral, very smooth, and detail is extremely well articulated (really startlingly so). I wouldn’t describe it as forward, or reserved, but rather just very neutral with a soundstage that is neither in my face nor hidden behind a veil. It reminds me of the Cary Cinema 12 sound or a Theta Casablanca, but its even better for multi-channel than the Cary Cinema 12 (noticeably) - but im not yet sure on high rez analog audio. It might just edge out the Cary in this area as well. I cant remember the Theta well enough, but its similar. Perhaps the biggest thing I noticed after how smooth it is (by comparison the Marantz 8802A is grainy and thin sounding by comparison), was how well it renders subtle detail in movies. It does just a much better job than the Marantz 8802A (which is no slouch for the money) and renders fine detail sound that I was not previously hearing - not only that, but it presents the sounds hanging in space so beautifully and realistically that I was left a bit gob smacked and ended up watching scene after scene from my favourite movies after set up and tweaking. I really am very impressed at just how well it does this. Im not sure if its the inky black noise floor or the chipset, or both - but Wow. Its beautiful. Frankly, its STUNNING. Well done!

2. Set up - PEQ’s, poor manual and lack of mic kit aside - its EXCELLENT. Intuitive, easy and frankly an absolute joy. More manufacturers should check this out as I think its the best I have ever seen (by a long way). Slaughters the Marantz 8802A for setup, and that is not a difficult unit to set up.

3. Build Quality. Stunning. Love it. Touch screen is just gorgeous. With that gorgeous full color touch screen its one of those audio boxes you just want to sit and look at.

4. HDMI switching is quick and seamless. Better even than the Marantz 8802A. Again I am extremely impressed. No issues with Standard Def, Blue Ray, 4K DVD or Apple TV. All worked out of the box. Using Fibre cable to the BenQ W11000H 4k Projector.

5. Loved the capability to set Trigger 1 and Trigger 2 on different delays since turning on two big Cary Cinema 5 power amps will occasionally throw the safety switch in my house. Someone really thought this one through and I really appreciate it.

6. Inclusion of a customisable Night mode was good thinking. This will work well for my family.

Overall - Im VERY impressed. If the mic kit and calibration matches up its going to be pretty unbeatable for the money. Im told late June for a mic kit.. we shall see...

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M&K S300 MKII THX Speaker System with 2 X12 Subwooers
4 x Triad In ceiling Bronze Dolby Atmos speakers
Wired with AudioQuest King Cobra and CV-4 PSC+ Speaker Cable
A Bunch of power conditioners etc.
Room was custom designed, dedicated and acoustically treated with absorption, diffusion and multiple bass traps.

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