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How did you pull that off on the price?


It was a private sale, the owner never opened the box . I could have purchased several very close to this price actually , this was the only one that was 0 hours the rest were between 100-1000 hours on the clock. Sony also agreed to extend the warranty remaining to me becasue it was unused and not registered, I loose one year off the warranty , so kudos to Sony on that one .



Paying full price for any flagship projector at this point is throwing money away, neither is worth half the new price at this point considering they are ALL end of life ,about to be replaced. That said the VW5000 is as modern as any projector sold today and for lumens NOTHING is remotely close other than the BenQ. Looked at the RS45600 had three available. Two used and one new, pricing at 14K, 16K for used , the new would have been nearly the same price as the VW5000 . If I were sticking with a smaller screen 135" or less I would have picked up a RS4500 and it would have to be a new model , the vast number of issues with these during shipping long distance was just too much a risk regaredless of the price. Besides, I needed to light up a 150" 1.0 gain screen, after seeing the RS4500 on this screen I knew it was not going to do the job especially for adequate HDR the most important format moving forward .

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Nope that is missing an 0. 1200 vs the 12000 discussed above.

Last year on the early demonstrator I thought the contrast looked 'typical LCD'.
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Any word on this or is it still expected Q1 of 2020?
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I understand that Epson is showing a new unit at IFA this coming week.

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I understand that Epson is showing a new unit at IFA this coming week.
You understand correctly

Suffice to say, I will be personally checking this out

https://www.virtualmarket.ifa-berlin...nd-GmbH,c39112

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Epson, the world leader in the projector market for many years, shows on IFA fair its new solutions for homeprinting and home projection. One more highlight on the booth is a demonstration of the newest developments in Epson's 3LCD-projection technology.
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Make sure to report back .
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Don't worry, I will most certainly do so

This will be the 1200 not the 12000 lumens unit, Epson showed the past two ISE's?
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No new projectors of interest from Epson

The new laser is an outdoor gaming projector...
Wow, so much for that !

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No new projectors of interest from Epson

The new laser is an outdoor gaming projector...
Where is that poop emoji when you need it?

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Does anyone know what happened the projector in the title? Why did they stop production?
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Does anyone know what happened the projector in the title? Why did they stop production?
Actually I just checked and it finally is up on one of the Epson sites, the Dutch website now does have a product page for it: https://www.epson.nl/verticals/insta...ors/eb-l12000q.

I noticed after googling last week when Nigel posted the promise of news at IFA, that it was also shown at a tradeshow recently, I believe in Australia. Chcked and it was at INTEGRATE 2019.

https://integrate-expo.com/product-d...duct/?id=17100.

So it should finally be here.
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Does anyone know what happened the projector in the title? Why did they stop production?
Who said it stopped production?

It wasn't at IFA 2019 in Berlin... The 'new product' that had been reported was a different projector. Hopefully the EB-L12000QNL will be at CEDIA 2019 in Denver this week

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Why does the "Top View (With ELPX02 lens)" total 860.6(mm?) in length and the "Side View (With ELPX02 lens)" total 835.6(mm?) in length? Those look like they should be the same dimension....
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WOW these specs really look promising! Hoping they release this soon. Any thoughts on ballpark pricing for the 12000 lumen 4K unit? Any guessimates on native contrast vs TI’s single chip DLP offerings?
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Who said it stopped production?

It wasn't at IFA 2019 in Berlin... The 'new product' that had been reported was a different projector. Hopefully the EB-L12000QNL will be at CEDIA 2019 in Denver this week

They're taking their time with it - wasn't it shown somewhere a bit more than a year ago?
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WOW these specs really look promising! Hoping they release this soon. Any thoughts on ballpark pricing for the 12000 lumen 4K unit? Any guessimates on native contrast vs TI’s single chip DLP offerings?
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They're taking their time with it - wasn't it shown somewhere a bit more than a year ago?
Wasn't at CEDIA either... However, the reason why it wasn't at either IFA and CEDIA is simple... It's a business projector for the professional video industry and not a consumer product... meaning it will certainly be on demo at ISE 2020 in February. Although the product release itself is scheduled for last quarter 2019

A big question mark is that of gamut coverage... How good actually is the HDR support... as well as of course actual contrast performance...


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Nigel,
Check me if I'm wrong but ,based on those specs ,what's not to like ?

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Better than an LS100 and probably the new LS500! Not that you're likely cross shopping those
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Interesting the native contrast (on/off?) of the HD unit is double the 4K and has twice the lumens at the same time. Regardless, I don’t think I’ve seen a higher claimed native contrast in a high lumen projector, so fingers crossed the color range is there and the price is reasonable.
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Interesting the native contrast (on/off?) of the HD unit is double the 4K and has twice the lumens at the same time. Regardless, I don’t think I’ve seen a higher claimed native contrast in a high lumen projector, so fingers crossed the color range is there and the price is reasonable.
Really? Well, here's one for you that comes in 8000, 15000, and 30000 lumens, with an actual measured native ON/OFF contrast of 21 MILLION:1... That's 8400 times better contrast performance!

CHRISTIE ECLIPSE HIGH CONTRAST 4K HDR RGB LASER PROJECTOR | REVIEW

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My god that thing is a beast!!!!!! I am going to wager if I don’t have a Porsche gt3 rs in the driveway, I shouldn’t be asking what the price will be for one of these behemoths...
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My god that thing is a beast!!!!!! I am going to wager if I don’t have a Porsche gt3 rs in the driveway, I shouldn’t be asking what the price will be for one of these behemoths...
I do think that many have lost sight of one of the primary selling points. The Eclipse chassis and case have been designed to maintain perfect panel alignment through a magnitude 8 earthquake and has been designed for use in the high-end luxury bunker and will remain within spec (after calibration) with up to a 500 kiloton thermonuclear burst (+/- 3 NM radius).

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My god that thing is a beast!!!!!! I am going to wager if I don’t have a Porsche gt3 rs in the driveway, I shouldn’t be asking what the price will be for one of these behemoths...

You need to go deeper than that.... more like a 918..... or two.
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I do think that many have lost sight of one of the primary selling points. The Eclipse chassis and case have been designed to maintain perfect panel alignment through a magnitude 8 earthquake and has been designed for use in the high-end luxury bunker and will remain within spec (after calibration) with up to a 500 kiloton thermonuclear burst (+/- 3 NM radius).

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Are you saying your high end bunker is able to withstand those catastrophes? Would Rob Hahn even know something happened outside?

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