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Wasn't at CEDIA either... However, the reason why it wasn't at either IFA and CEDIA is simple... It's a business projector for the professional video industry and not a consumer product... meaning it will certainly be on demo at ISE 2020 in February. Although the product release itself is scheduled for last quarter 2019

A big question mark is that of gamut coverage... How good actually is the HDR support... as well as of course actual contrast performance...

That would make it the third ISE in a row. Actually at ISE 2019 it was launched, to ship after the show. It took longer to show up on the product pages. In a French report from ISE the Epson rep said it was €59K, being a business product that is excluding the VAT. So probably better off with a series 4 Barco?

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That $60k price is a disappointment to hear =(. Even if my budget was in that ballpark, there are other projectors I would consider first. Hopefully the price ends up being significantly more reasonable...
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List prices is $81,000 - without the $3,200 lens!

It needs 220 V for full 12,000 lumen operation.

It does only Rec 709 . I assume REc 2020 is desirable at the present times? Especially given its high price point!

Here is the spec.


What's the difference (if any) between a solid state laser diode and the laser sources in other projectors such as the sony 5000 or the jvc 4500?

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Hope they don't reserve the native 4k part for large venues? 1080 is more than fine for large venues sheesh.

We need native 4k for home theatre.
How is 2K fine for large venues? Maybe if you sit in the last row... We've had 4K DCI projectors since 2006 from Sony, and nowadays every cinema has Barco 4K laser or dual Barco laser (5.6K)
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$60,000 for an Epson? Sheesh..
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How is 2K fine for large venues? Maybe if you sit in the last row... We've had 4K DCI projectors since 2006 from Sony, and nowadays every cinema has Barco 4K laser or dual Barco laser (5.6K)
Sorry I meant large venues as in pubs and clubs and outdoor events where pixels don't matter as much. Yep cinema should all be native 4k, cheers!
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List prices is $81,000 - without the $3,200 lens!

It needs 220 V for full 12,000 lumen operation.

It does only Rec 709 . I assume REc 2020 is desirable at the present times? Especially given its high price point!

Here is the spec.


What's the difference (if any) between a solid state laser diode and the laser sources in other projectors such as the sony 5000 or the jvc 4500?
You could get Sony 5000 double stack for less than that and it is native 4K and I am guessing will have higher calibrated lumens than Epson .
I hope they find their market in HT .
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Sony 10,000 should be out next summer.

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How is 2K fine for large venues? Maybe if you sit in the last row... We've had 4K DCI projectors since 2006 from Sony, and nowadays every cinema has Barco 4K laser or dual Barco laser (5.6K)
Well most announcements by Christie have been for the smaller units that are all 2K.
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You could get Sony 5000 double stack for less than that and it is native 4K and I am guessing will have higher calibrated lumens than Epson .
I hope they find their market in HT .
What do you/are you getting for video to match that Alcons Audio set-up?
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You could get Sony 5000 double stack for less than that and it is native 4K and I am guessing will have higher calibrated lumens than Epson .
I hope they find their market in HT .
What do you/are you getting for video to match that Alcons Audio set-up?
I have been using Sony 5000ES , with ISCO DLP 1.25X lens with motorized cineslide , on Screen Excellence Neo 4K AT , 16 feet wide , 2.37:1 screen and Lumagen Pro ( all 18G cards ) as video processor . Sources being Kscape Strato , Kscape Premiere , Oppo 203 and Roku Ultra
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$60,000 for an Epson? Sheesh..
Panasonic told me Epson is its biggest competitor, largely over price, Panasonic being the more expensive projector maker.
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Panasonic told me Epson is its biggest competitor, largely over price, Panasonic being the more expensive projector maker.
Well I wouldn't pay $60,000 for a Panasonic projector either . or $40,000 ...

Or $20,000
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Well I wouldn't pay $60,000 for a Panasonic projector either . or $40,000 ...

Or $20,000
Well, personally I would not pay $1 for any projector with less than 30,000:1 ON/OFF contrast, but there we go

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That would make it the third ISE in a row. Actually at ISE 2019 it was launched, to ship after the show. It took longer to show up on the product pages. In a French report from ISE the Epson rep said it was €59K, being a business product that is excluding the VAT. So probably better off with a series 4 Barco?
Nope. The Barco Series 4 projectors have absolutely absysmal contrast and black level performance. The specification cites 2300:1 but in reality I expect to be measuring less than this... Hard pass

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Uhm how many announcements have you seen for deployment deals covering hundreds or even thousands of units... The commercial cinema deals announced have been largely for the smaller units, as there is a replacement round for XENON and even LASER-Phosphor DCi projectors.

So Barco backed off from the 5000:1 on-off claim.

So what is the specced/real world on-off contrast of the Epson. 'Contrast Ratio: 2,500,000:1' ahum, only if there is a shutter alternative, like Christie added on its first GS 6 Single DLP, from 1200:1 spec to infinity to one following the software update introducing the shutter on full black.
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Well I wouldn't pay $60,000 for a Panasonic projector either . or $40,000 ...

Or $20,000
Clearly you don't run a R&S outfit using/supplying upto 50K lumens projectors.

I wouldn't pay a thing for any projector.
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Uhm how many announcements have you seen for deployment deals covering hundreds or even thousands of units... The commercial cinema deals announced have been largely for the smaller units, as there is a replacement round for XENON and even LASER-Phosphor DCi projectors.

So Barco backed off from the 5000:1 on-off claim.

So what is the specced/real world on-off contrast of the Epson. 'Contrast Ratio: 2,500,000:1' ahum, only if there is a shutter alternative, like Christie added on its first GS 6 Single DLP, from 1200:1 spec to infinity to one following the software update introducing the shutter on full black.
You said "most announcements by Christie have been for the smaller units that are all 2K"

This quite simply is not true.

You clearly have forgotten about the D4K40RGB and the ECLIPSE both of which have been featuring strongly in Christie's recent press / announcements / media. And both of these projectors are 4K not 2K

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You said "most announcements by Christie have been for the smaller units that are all 2K"

This quite simply is not true.

You clearly have forgotten about the D4K40RGB and the ECLIPSE both of which have been featuring strongly in Christie's recent press / announcements / media. And both of these projectors are 4K not 2K

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I have yet to see a release by Christie for the Eclipse. The initial announcements came from the museum. But Christie has a somewhat confusing release policy. Sending releases directly to a number of media, not even putting them on its own website in the press releases section, then releasing them via one of the release wireservices months later. So,I moght occassionally miss a release. But releases announcing deals for the Christie projectors (deployment/sales/lease, whatever) are for the smaller ones. The 4K DCi one only came in 25K lumens and is twice the size of the 2K ones, all designed for drop in replacement. For bigger screens there's still the external laser light source projectors.

The 40RGB was announced late last year ahead of ISE, and probably one of the Asian shows. As for releases on it I haven't seen any/much on it since.

Anyway to make the point very clear, and less ambiguous, Christy has a number of new(er) 4K projectors, but the bulk of its sales comes from lower resolution than native 4K imagers based projectors.
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Well most announcements by Christie have been for the smaller units that are all 2K.
You can also add to the list:

Christie CP4330-RGB 4K pure laser cinema projector

Christie Boxer 4K30

Christie CP4325-RGB 4K pure laser cinema projector

Christie CP4330-RGB 4K pure laser cinema projector

And the new CP4440-RGB 4K and CP4450-RGB 4K cinema projectors

ALL of which are 4K !!!

AND here's just a few () press releases ALL OF WHICH are with respect to the aforementioned 4K projectors:

https://www.christiedigital.com/emea...aser-projector

https://www.christiedigital.com/emea...industry-award

https://www.christiedigital.com/emea...stie-reallaser

https://www.christiedigital.com/emea...f-magic-to-rit

https://www.christiedigital.com/emea...gy-at-the-aimc

https://www.christiedigital.com/emea...ser-projection

https://www.christiedigital.com/emea...an-white-house

https://www.christiedigital.com/emea...als-in-jakarta

https://www.christiedigital.com/emea...ting-singapore

https://www.christiedigital.com/emea...ith-gemini-man

https://www.christiedigital.com/emea...-expocine-2019

https://www.christiedigital.com/emea...infocomm-india

https://www.christiedigital.com/emea...cinemacon-2019

https://www.christiedigital.com/emea...stie-reallaser

https://www.christiedigital.com/emea...cine-expo-2019

https://www.christiedigital.com/emea...infocomm-china

https://www.christiedigital.com/emea...ty-for-8k-dome

https://www.christiedigital.com/emea...ema-projectors

https://www.christiedigital.com/emea...t-sellout-show

https://www.christiedigital.com/emea...irage-4k40-rgb

https://www.christiedigital.com/emea...mic-convention

https://www.christiedigital.com/emea...-4k-pure-laser

https://www.christiedigital.com/emea...ines-at-cannes

https://www.christiedigital.com/emea...r-to-expo-2020

https://www.christiedigital.com/emea...tie-projectors


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Lol, all releases for product demo's, except for the Rochester one, and the second Brazillian one Cineplus) that is for one 4K and two 2K's;-). The same goes for the Sunshine deal. Christie has been putting out projectors according to the guidance set out a few years ago. Including larger/brighter and commercial fixed install/R&S (I see an Russian R&S outfit has two D4K40-RGB what no thumbs up smiley) and 120P Mirage versions. Now we will see their deployment. As the 4K ones are costlier and larger there still will be a lot of 2K projectors going in.

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