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Samsung Introduces The Wall Luxury

Samsung expands upon the concept of The Wall, a micro-LED display that brings home unprecedented large-format picture quality. According to the press release, The Wall Luxury is available in configurations ranging from a 73 inch 2K option all the way up to a 292 inch 8K model.

The specifications are impressive: the LEDs are rated at a 100,000 hour lifespan and are able to achieve a peak luminance of 2000 nits as well as display 120 Hz video.

The Samsung states that it has partnered with Harman Luxury Audio and Steinway Lyngdorf to provide audio solutions for this screen, Control4, Crestron and Savant for home automation integration, as well as Domotz, Ihiji and OrvC for remote monitoring.

“Throughout the last twelve months, we’ve closely monitored interior design and technology trends to shape the product planning and development of The Wall Luxury,” said Seog-gi Kim, Executive Vice President of Visual Display Business at Samsung Electronics. “We set out to create a product unlike anything else – matching the lifestyle and taste of those looking for the most exclusive and premium visual experiences in their homes.”

Presumably, the cost of a 292 inch, 8K, direct-emit LED screen could set a new record for most expensive home theater ever. Let me know if you happen to be the first to install one, LOL.
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The price will come down whatever it is. This will set the standard for home image presentation (would be reluctant to call it home theater with this).

Will this be at CEDIA ?

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Samsung expands upon the concept of The Wall, a micro-LED display that brings home unprecedented large-format picture quality. According to the press release, The Wall Luxury is available in configurations ranging from a 73 inch 2K option all the way up to a 292 inch 8K model.

The specifications are impressive: the LEDs are rated at a 100,000 hour lifespan and are able to achieve a peak luminance of 2000 nits as well as display 120 Hz video.

The Samsung states that it has partnered with Harman Luxury Audio and Steinway Lyngdorf to provide audio solutions for this screen, Control4, Crestron and Savant for home automation integration, as well as Domotz, Ihiji and OrvC for remote monitoring.

“Throughout the last twelve months, we’ve closely monitored interior design and technology trends to shape the product planning and development of The Wall Luxury,” said Seog-gi Kim, Executive Vice President of Visual Display Business at Samsung Electronics. “We set out to create a product unlike anything else – matching the lifestyle and taste of those looking for the most exclusive and premium visual experiences in their homes.”

Presumably, the cost of a 292 inch, 8K, direct-emit LED screen could set a new record for most expensive home theater ever. Let me know if you happen to be the first to install one, LOL.
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Interesting, but some reservations about this:



1. The density of pixels must be fairly low since the 73 inch is 2K. I suspect that it will be the achilles heel of advertising this since people will see 4K 75" TVs for $2000 and wonder why they should pay whatever this thing costs.


2. If the seams show, that, to me, would be an absolute deal killer.


I suspect this will be amazing, but quickly obsolete as they get a handle on the technology. The early adopter tax for this may be too high (depending on pricing).

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Interesting, but some reservations about this:



1. The density of pixels must be fairly low since the 73 inch is 2K. I suspect that it will be the achilles heel of advertising this since people will see 4K 75" TVs for $2000 and wonder why they should pay whatever this thing costs.


2. If the seams show, that, to me, would be an absolute deal killer.


I suspect this will be amazing, but quickly obsolete as they get a handle on the technology. The early adopter tax for this may be too high (depending on pricing).
Can't think of any reason to buy one (or very few at least ) at 75" since very high-quality flat panels are in that size range. The one I saw in LA at a show the seams with video running even at three or four feet were invisible. No doubt early adopters are going to seem to get raped but those who can afford it won't care. These in say 10' to 15' will be the thing for the wealthy. I'm still of the belief that these are the beginning of the end for projection.
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I wonder if Samsung will drop the modular build idea at a later date as they refine manufacturing these and get their defect rate low enough to build larger panels?

Or just keep the modular thing since it would simplify manufacturing and distribution a lot and allow them to get incremental sales by selling more modules? Plus for retail display the modular thing will be huge. I could see Times Square going completely to this.

What happens if there are multiple generations of modules? Will you be able to mix them? I doubt it.

I agree though - projection will disappear. Hell, I wonder if this could replace movie theater projection?

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Samsung expands upon the concept of The Wall, a micro-LED display that brings home unprecedented large-format picture quality. According to the press release, The Wall Luxury is available in configurations ranging from a 73 inch 2K option all the way up to a 292 inch 8K model.

The specifications are impressive: the LEDs are rated at a 100,000 hour lifespan and are able to achieve a peak luminance of 2000 nits as well as display 120 Hz video.

The Samsung states that it has partnered with Harman Luxury Audio and Steinway Lyngdorf to provide audio solutions for this screen, Control4, Crestron and Savant for home automation integration, as well as Domotz, Ihiji and OrvC for remote monitoring.

“Throughout the last twelve months, we’ve closely monitored interior design and technology trends to shape the product planning and development of The Wall Luxury,” said Seog-gi Kim, Executive Vice President of Visual Display Business at Samsung Electronics. “We set out to create a product unlike anything else – matching the lifestyle and taste of those looking for the most exclusive and premium visual experiences in their homes.”

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Do t think people like us will get video walls . If you think about it almost 100% of how we experience the world is by reflected light . Sun is the only source of emitted light outdoors . And even when we are indoors we experience the world via reflected light . That is the the charm of projection ... it is soothing and unfatiguing . And moreover the built in nostalgia and memories of front projection when you used to go to movies adds to it . I just don’t see myself looking into 8 million light emitting sources (LEDs / pixels ) and not feel fatigued and unnatural is hard to fathom. I am sure it will fare well in contrast ratios and lumens and nits etc . But our brain processes image in a lot more complex way . Let’s see ... interesting times ....!!!
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Do t think people like us will get video walls . If you think about it almost 100% of how we experience the world is by reflected light . Sun is the only source of emitted light outdoors . And even when we are indoors we experience the world via reflected light . That is the the charm of projection ... it is soothing and unfatiguing . And moreover the built in nostalgia and memories of front projection when you used to go to movies adds to it . I just don’t see myself looking into 8 million light emitting sources (LEDs / pixels ) and not feel fatigued and unnatural is hard to fathom. I am sure it will fare well in contrast ratios and lumens and nits etc . But our brain processes image in a lot more complex way . Let’s see ... interesting times ....!!!
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Samsung expands upon the concept of The Wall, a micro-LED display that brings home unprecedented large-format picture quality. According to the press release, The Wall Luxury is available in configurations ranging from a 73 inch 2K option all the way up to a 292 inch 8K model.

The specifications are impressive: the LEDs are rated at a 100,000 hour lifespan and are able to achieve a peak luminance of 2000 nits as well as display 120 Hz video.

The Samsung states that it has partnered with Harman Luxury Audio and Steinway Lyngdorf to provide audio solutions for this screen, Control4, Crestron and Savant for home automation integration, as well as Domotz, Ihiji and OrvC for remote monitoring.

“Throughout the last twelve months, we’ve closely monitored interior design and technology trends to shape the product planning and development of The Wall Luxury,” said Seog-gi Kim, Executive Vice President of Visual Display Business at Samsung Electronics. “We set out to create a product unlike anything else – matching the lifestyle and taste of those looking for the most exclusive and premium visual experiences in their homes.”

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The price will come down whatever it is. This will set the standard for home image presentation (would be reluctant to call it home theater with this).

Will this be at CEDIA ?

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Yes, this will be at CEDIA. It's been at every trade show for a couple of years now

As it happens, in all seriousness I actually WAS intending on installing one of these into this home theater build of mine:





Wherein I have even designed, built, and tested an audio system solution to the problem with respect to having a gigantic non-acoustically-transparent highly-acoustically-reflective panel covering the most of your home theater's front wall, but with zero compromise with respect to the audio quality. SAMSUNG themselves even flew in from Korea to audition this.

**HOWEVER** then I discovered that the price was going to be $350,000 for the 4x4 panel 4K iteration, and circa $1.4 MILLION for the 8K iteration... and the dealer pricing discount is paltry

AND I have still yet to see it truly seamless... I keep viewing the next generation demo units at the various trade shows and every time so far it has NOT been seamless. The smaller sized MicroLED TVs demoed have exactly the same problem

AND then there's the additional issues of considerable heat production that's akin to having kilowatt heaters on 24/7 within your home theater!

AND there is also the problem of the panels degrading non-uniformly with respect to eachother; wherein, you have to purchase 'spare' additional panels for swapping out the 'bad' ones now and then as a workaround with respect to this issue

This was the situation as of recently, but I know that SAMSUNG have been and are working on improving these areas

However, given the extremely high cost, and the ridiculously low dealer margins I can't see this product taking off until SAMSUNG fixes all of these technical issues as well as the pricing

The fact of the matter is that you can buy a 98" 8K SONY ZG9/Z9G for $69,999 MSRP... And you can buy one of the new Christie 'Ultimate' Projectors for significantly less money than a SAMSUNG The Wall, which does not have the aforementioned technical performance issues that The Wall currently has, and in fact actually outperforms it in certain respects

That said, I do find the birth of modular video walls to be very exciting, but as per with respect to first generation plasma TVs, it won't be until the technical issues are ironed out and the pricing become less insane that folks will begin to buy into the technology. Wherein, the more competition the better; and the good news is that we already have the likes of both SONY and LG also releasing their own residential iterations of such modular video walls, so I am looking forward to them thrashing it out because this will drive the technology forwards and prices downwards. But this is also wherein resides another problem with respect to The Wall, because no dealer is going to spend over $1 million on a video display for their showroom which will subsequently be unsellable at a later date due to newer much less expensive models becoming available, and yes, that's about how much it would cost a dealer to install the 8K iteration into their showroom! Hence why I am NOT installing one yet!

By the way, there is not really any 'new news' here. This has always been SAMSUNG's intention and in fact was announced way back at ISE 2018 in February 2018


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AND there is also the problem of the panels degrading non-uniformly with respect to eachother; wherein, you have to purchase 'spare' additional panels for swapping out the 'bad' ones now and then as a workaround with respect to this issue
This should be solvable via firmware. You should be able to basically calibrate each panel independently - colors, gamma, light level, etc and it shouldnt matter. Probably some form of auto cal using a camera sensor would be able to do it also.

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That nonsense is almost up to the level of the nonsense you read on high-end audio sites. Regardless, it's nonsense of the first degree. Try again.

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This should be solvable via firmware. You should be able to basically calibrate each panel independently - colors, gamma, light level, etc and it shouldnt matter. Probably some form of auto cal using a camera sensor would be able to do it also.
You are absolutely right

And yet you still have to purchase extra 'spare' panels, at additional cost...

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That nonsense is almost up to the level of the nonsense you read on high-end audio sites. Regardless, it's nonsense of the first degree. Try again.
Well said

Clearly if an emissive display is eye fatiguing then quite simply it has not be set up or calibrated properly.

This is the same stuff and nonsense as when some people talk about HDR blinding you, wherein they are confusing image peak luminance dynamic range with average display luminance (ADL)

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Yes, this will be at CEDIA. It's been at every trade show for a couple of years now

As it happens, in all seriousness I actually WAS intending on installing one of these into this home theater build of mine:





Wherein I have even designed, built, and tested an audio system solution to the problem with respect to having a gigantic non-acoustically-transparent highly-acoustically-reflective panel covering the most of your home theater's front wall, but with zero compromise with respect to the audio quality. SAMSUNG themselves even flew in from Korea to audition this.

**HOWEVER** then I discovered that the price was going to be $350,000 for the 4x4 panel 4K iteration, and circa $1.4 MILLION for the 8K iteration... and the dealer pricing discount is paltry

AND I have still yet to see it truly seamless... I keep viewing the next generation demo units at the various trade shows and every time so far it has NOT been seamless. The smaller sized MicroLED TVs demoed have exactly the same problem

AND then there's the additional issues of considerable heat production that's akin to having kilowatt heaters on 24/7 within your home theater!

AND there is also the problem of the panels degrading non-uniformly with respect to eachother; wherein, you have to purchase 'spare' additional panels for swapping out the 'bad' ones now and then as a workaround with respect to this issue

This was the situation as of recently, but I know that SAMSUNG have been and are working on improving these areas

However, given the extremely high cost, and the ridiculously low dealer margins I can't see this product taking off until SAMSUNG fixes all of these technical issues as well as the pricing

The fact of the matter is that you can buy a 98" 8K SONY ZG9/Z9G for $69,999 MSRP... And you can buy one of the new Christie 'Ultimate' Projectors for significantly less money than a SAMSUNG The Wall, which does not have the aforementioned technical performance issues that The Wall currently has, and in fact actually outperforms it in certain respects

That said, I do find the birth of modular video walls to be very exciting, but as per with respect to first generation plasma TVs, it won't be until the technical issues are ironed out and the pricing become less insane that folks will begin to buy into the technology. Wherein, the more competition the better; and the good news is that we already have the likes of both SONY and LG also releasing their own residential iterations of such modular video walls, so I am looking forward to them thrashing it out because this will drive the technology forwards and prices downwards. But this is also wherein resides another problem with respect to The Wall, because no dealer is going to spend over $1 million on a video display for their showroom which will subsequently be unsellable at a later date due to newer much less expensive models becoming available, and yes, that's about how much it would cost a dealer to install the 8K iteration into their showroom! Hence why I am NOT installing one yet!

By the way, there is not really any 'new news' here. This has always been SAMSUNG's intention and in fact was announced way back at ISE 2018 in February 2018

The one I saw was a rental unit. I do not know the particulars the salespeople didn't either since it was being used at an orthodontic convention. I could readily see seams reflected from ambient light from the surface but could not in an image. It was the 15' wide OLED effect that was beyond compelling. I understand dealers not buying one but at some point, these are going to be coming down and when they do everyone who has it will want one for their pad. There are certainly those who would compromise on audio for what this can do at that size even with a significant amount of light on in a room.

I do not disagree with your position on anything there Nigel but there are different uses and different perspectives on what matters in a moving image.
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You will have to excuse my skepticism when I say "I will believe that when I see it" because they have been clever regarding using video content wherein the seams are not visible most of the time, however, look for the waterfall sequence when you have large areas of solid white, because so far I can see the seams with this every time... That said, hopefully SAMSUNG has finally cracked this, and I will be sure to check this at IFA and CEDIA in September!

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We both know of a particular projector wherein you can attain OLED performance with a larger sized screen and for less money

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I understand dealers not buying one but at some point, these are going to be coming down and when they do everyone who has it will want one for their pad. There are certainly those who would compromise on audio for what this can do at that size even with a significant amount of light on in a room.

I do not disagree with your position on anything there Nigel but there are different uses and different perspectives on what matters in a moving image.
I agree, where in fact as I have already said I was in fact intending on purchasing one

My point is that as of recently the pricing is still way too expensive and there have been technical wrinkles in need of ironing out before the product is truly ready.

The pre-existing issues have been: (1) Seamlessness; (2) Heat Output; and (3) Long-term Uniformity, wherein last time I checked SAMSUNG only guarantees perfect uniformity for a couple of years, after which you are on your own. Would Bugatti tell you that they only guarantee the car will work flawlessly for a couple of years? I don't think so!

You don't need to compromise with respect to the audio, because it is perfectly possible to design an audio system that circumvents the issue of having a gigantic non-acoustically transparent and highly acoustically reflective display on your front wall. I have already designed, built, and tested such an audio system and SAMSUNG themselves have agreed it works perfectly. So I consider this to be a complete non-issue

I liken modular video walls as of right now to 1st generation plasma TVs... These also were exorbitantly expensive and plagued with technical performance issues. However, fast-forward to later generations and the technical issues were no longer an issue and the pricing had dropped to less than 1/10th of the original cost. If/when modular video walls reach the same point then everyone and his dog will be buying one. At the present time? Nope. But we have this to look forward to

What we really need is for both SONY and LG to hurry up and release their versions... This will trigger the price war that will drive the technology forwards and the prices downwards. IMO the sooner this happens the better!

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You will have to excuse my skepticism when I say "I will believe that when I see it" because they have been clever regarding using video content wherein the seams are not visible most of the time, however, look for the waterfall sequence when you have large areas of solid white, because so far I can see the seams with this every time... That said, hopefully SAMSUNG has finally cracked this, and I will be sure to check this at IFA and CEDIA in September!


We both know of a particular projector wherein you can attain OLED performance with a larger sized screen and for less money


I agree, where in fact as I have already said I was in fact intending on purchasing one

My point is that as of recently the pricing is still way too expensive and there have been technical wrinkles in need of ironing out before the product is truly ready.

The pre-existing issues have been: (1) Seamlessness; (2) Heat Output; and (3) Long-term Uniformity, wherein last time I checked SAMSUNG only guarantees perfect uniformity for a couple of years, after which you are on your own. Would Bugatti tell you that they only guarantee the car will work flawlessly for a couple of years? I don't think so!

You don't need to compromise with respect to the audio, because it is perfectly possible to design an audio system that circumvents the issue of having a gigantic non-acoustically transparent and highly acoustically reflective display on your front wall. I have already designed, built, and tested such an audio system and SAMSUNG themselves have agreed it works perfectly. So I consider this to be a complete non-issue

I liken modular video walls as of right now to 1st generation plasma TVs... These also were exorbitantly expensive and plagued with technical performance issues. However, fast-forward to later generations and the technical issues were no longer an issue and the pricing had dropped to less than 1/10th of the original cost. If/when modular video walls reach the same point then everyone and his dog will be buying one. At the present time? Nope. But we have this to look forward to

What we really need is for both SONY and LG to hurry up and release their versions... This will trigger the price war that will drive the technology forwards and the prices downwards. IMO the sooner this happens the better!

Would Bugatti claim a car would work flawlessly for two years with no tuneups/service calls or parts replacements? Or would that be covered by warranty, and then when the warranty is up you are on your own? I struggle to see a difference and either way owners of these toys should be able to afford the upkeep or else they should not try and play that game.

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"Bugatti is pleased to announce the introduction of a comprehensive additional warranty, covering practically every eventuality up to four years after the vehicle's original delivery."
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Would Bugatti claim a car would work flawlessly for two years with no tuneups/service calls or parts replacements? Or would that be covered by warranty, and then when the warranty is up you are on your own? I struggle to see a difference and either way owners of these toys should be able to afford the upkeep or else they should not try and play that game.

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"Bugatti is pleased to announce the introduction of a comprehensive additional warranty, covering practically every eventuality up to four years after the vehicle's original delivery."
Except Bugatti offers 4 years standard warranty plus 15 years extended warranty...

...whereas (last time I checked) SAMSUNG are only guaranteeing perfect uniformity for 2 years. Period. Then you are on your own. I told them I did not consider this to be acceptable so hopefully they will improve upon this


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Except Bugatti offers 4 years standard warranty plus 15 years extended warranty...

...whereas (last time I checked) SAMSUNG are only guaranteeing perfect uniformity for 2 years. Period. Then you are on your own

What? I'll buy it on Amazon and get Squaretrade.
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I'm still of the belief that these are the beginning of the end for projection.
Only if they can figure out how to have an acoustically transparent version or some other technology to solve hiding speakers.

This certainly won't be cost feasible in my life time!!

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That nonsense is almost up to the level of the nonsense you read on high-end audio sites. Regardless, it's nonsense of the first degree. Try again.
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Clearly if an emissive display is eye fatiguing then quite simply it has not be set up or calibrated properly.

This is the same stuff and nonsense as when some people talk about HDR blinding you, wherein they are confusing image peak luminance dynamic range with average display luminance (ADL) [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]

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Mr imagic and ArrowAV , I have Sony 75 and 85” top of the line 4K TVs at home but I always prefer the image thrown by my Sony 5000. So I am pretty sure I can determine for myself which Image I like more or prefer more . For some reason two of you think you know more about which image I should like or not .
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Mr imagic and ArrowAV , I have Sony 75 and 85” top of the line 4K TVs at home but I always prefer the image thrown by my Sony 5000. So I am pretty sure I can determine for myself which Image I like more or prefer more. For some reason two of you think you know more about which image I should like or not .
Firstly, there's nothing wrong with personal preference, however personal preference has nothing to do with the specifics of what I was replying to, wherein THIS is what I was responding to:

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That is the the charm of projection ... it is soothing and unfatiguing... I just don’t see myself looking into 8 million light emitting sources (LEDs / pixels ) and not feel fatigued and unnatural is hard to fathom
Sorry, but this is quite simply incorrect. The overall eye fatigue of both an emissive display and projector which are properly matched so apples-with-apples comparison will be the same. If it is not then the two displays are not properly calibrated and/or not matched.

I am willing to bet that the white level luminance of your TV is significantly higher than your projector, which will be the primary reason why you find your TVs 'fatiguing' and prefer the image outputted by your SONY 5000ES.

In short, if you are experience eye fatigue with ANY video display then that display has not been set up or calibrated properly. Period.

Hence, your point that emissive displays are more eye fatiguing than projectors is incorrect.

That said however, personally prefering the projector type array within a blacked out home theater environment for whatever reason, whether it be nostalgia or you like replicating the experience of a commercial cinema, is an entirely different kettle of fish; wherein, there's nothing wrong with that, and in fact these are some of the reasons why I do not personally believe that modular video walls will bring about the extinction of projectors

But that is not what I was referring to; it's your (incorrect) statement that emissive displays are eye fatiguing due to the fact they are emissive and not reflective. Sorry, but that's just plain wrong

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Mr imagic and ArrowAV , I have Sony 75 and 85” top of the line 4K TVs at home but I always prefer the image thrown by my Sony 5000. So I am pretty sure I can determine for myself which Image I like more or prefer more. For some reason two of you think you know more about which image I should like or not .
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That is the the charm of projection ... it is soothing and unfatiguing... I just don’t see myself looking into 8 million light emitting sources (LEDs / pixels ) and not feel fatigued and unnatural is hard to fathom
Sorry, but this is quite simply incorrect. The overall eye fatigue of both an emissive display and projector which are properly matched so apples-with-apples comparison will be the same. If it is not then the two displays are not properly calibrated and/or not matched.

I am willing to bet that the white level luminance of your TV is significantly higher than your projector, which will be the primary reason why you find your TVs 'fatiguing' and prefer the image outputted by your SONY 5000ES.

In short, if you are experience eye fatigue with ANY video display then that display has not been set up or calibrated properly. Period.

Hence, your point that emissive displays are more eye fatiguing than projectors is incorrect.

That said however, personally prefering the projector type array within a blacked out home theater environment for whatever reason, whether it be nostalgia or you like replicating the experience of a commercial cinema, is an entirely different kettle of fish; wherein, there's nothing wrong with that, and in fact these are some of the reasons why I do not personally believe that modular video walls will bring about the extinction of projectors [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]

But that is not what I was referring to; it's your (incorrect) statement that emissive displays are eye fatiguing due to the fact they are emissive and not reflective. Sorry, but that's just plain wrong

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We can keep arguing about it till cows come home
So by your logic if emissive display and projector are calibrated to same brightness and parameters , one won’t be able to tell if one is looking at the projected image or an emissive display ??? I can bet you anyone will be able to tell the difference . The way we perceive projected image and emissive display has a difference that you can’t quantify . It probably will come to personal preference .
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We can keep arguing about it till cows come home
So by your logic if emissive display and projector are calibrated to same brightness and parameters , one won’t be able to tell if one is looking at the projected image or an emissive display ??? I can bet you anyone will be able to tell the difference . The way we perceive projected image and emissive display has a difference that you can’t quantify . It probably will come to personal preference .
A difference that YOU can't quantify, sure. I bet you there are folks who can quantify it.

So, we'll just take your word for it I guess? Oh yeah, I forgot that's how the Internet works. Carry on! Thanks for schooling us.

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So by your logic if emissive display and projector are calibrated to same brightness and parameters , one won’t be able to tell if one is looking at the projected image or an emissive display ??? I can bet you anyone will be able to tell the difference . The way we perceive projected image and emissive display has a difference that you can’t quantify . It probably will come to personal preference .
A difference that YOU can't quantify, sure. I bet you there are folks who can quantify it. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG]

So, we'll just take your word for it I guess? Oh yeah, I forgot that's how the Internet works. Carry on! Thanks for schooling us. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif[/IMG]
Are you seriously claiming that one can’t tell the difference between a projected image or if he is looking at an LCD display if they are both properly calibrated . I will let others decide if that claim holds any credence whatsoever . No intention to school you or any one else . Was just stating my preferences .
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Are you seriously claiming that one can’t tell the difference between a projected image or if he is looking at an LCD display if they are both properly calibrated . I will let others decide if that claim holds any credence whatsoever . No intention to school you or any one else . Was just stating my preferences .
We are not talking about LCD displays, which are transmissive. For whatever that's worth.

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Are you seriously claiming that one can’t tell the difference between a projected image or if he is looking at an LCD display if they are both properly calibrated . I will let others decide if that claim holds any credence whatsoever . No intention to school you or any one else . Was just stating my preferences .
We are not talking about LCD displays, which are transmissive. For whatever that's worth.
Really .... you are still watching light emitted from the TV screen . You plug LCD monitor in the wall and it acts like a light source .
OK so are you then claiming that you can’t tell the difference between projected image and OLED/LED/plasma display ???
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Really .... you are still watching light emitted from the TV screen . You plug LCD monitor in the wall and it acts like a light source .
OK so are you then claiming that you can’t tell the difference between projected image and OLED/LED/plasma display ???
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