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Bruzer Trinnov/Aerial/Triad Theatre 2019 Renovation/Upgrade

My dedicated home theatre is down since lAugust 1st! My installer is Gerry Behm, Technology @ Home, LLC. Everything is out of my theatre for the renovation/upgrade! Even the projector is down and out! I have been using Michael Green room treatments including many Pressure Zone Controllers (PZCs) for many years and they are all out, too, except that the Michael Green Acoustical Crown Molding 5" (black) remains and is staying along the bevel of the wall/ceiling seams. The cabinets/shelves/drawers in the back of the theatre are going to be taken out by the cabinet company, Andrew Frank, and replaced with new cabinetry concealing some roll out Mid-Atlantic component racks and disc storage! An electrician will come to add/remove/change AC outlets as necessary. The 2nd row riser will be extended a bit to the side and back. A new lighting system. Placement of inceiling Triad speakers and Aerial on wall speakers will be in positions recommended by consulting with Trinnov, Adam Pelz and Quest Acoustical Interiors. Of course patching and painting of room (its been 22 years) and new acoustics treatments. And new carpet! And new Lazy Boy recliners. Will be quite a remodel!

My theatre addition was built onto my existing home back in early 1997. Designed them for a 5.1 floorstanding theatre/audio system, as back then Dolby Digital 5.1 was justing becoming the new standard. Back then hardly anyone had a dedicated home theatre - was I one of the very first?

Back in 1997 CEDIA installers mostly deadened theatres. Not anymore. Companies like Vicoustics recommend a proper mix of diffusion vs absorption and more folks, like Paul McGowan of PS Audio, emphasize better for the room to be more live but not too live (which I did back in 1997 using Michael Green acoustic treatments for this purpose, as did Widescreen Review in their reference theatre back then and for some years thereafter).

Back in 1997, it was SO COOL to have a 5.1 system with all floorstanding speakers arranged on a circle pattern. Now, not so COOL, theatres are too look neat with cables in wall and hidden. Though for so many years all floorstanding speakers simply give the best sonics. And NOW, the best theatre audio systems are based on a "bottom" of not 5.1 speakers, but at least 7.X (of course, X may denote multiple subwoofers) and even more often 9.X, with a "top" layer close or the same for speakers.

After all these years time to update my home theatre. However, although this is costing me too much $$ out of my retirement savings, I am not trying to equal Rob Hahn, Lon, Art, The Bland, Mark Burnstein, Ash Sharma, Mani, Brad LaSalle or especially Nigel/Arrow AV. Just doing what I want to do for what I am willing to spend $$. And I have always loved my Aerial Acoustics speakers and I am continuing along the Aerial path, with 3 Aerial 7t floorstanders up front and 6 Aerial 7LCRs on wall! And of course adding inceiling Triads. which mate well sonically with the Aerials (and which don't cost a total arm and a leg for inceiling effects speakers).

After discussing this with my installer Gerry Behm and audio magician master calibrator Adam Pelz (scheduled to do his magic the end of October), I will probably be taking out all the Michael Green treatments from back in 1997 (acoustics treatments and science have so much advanced in past years) and getting an acoustics design and treatment package from Gerald LeMay, Quest Acoustical Interiors. I am not concerned about the extra cost in hiding all the treatments, just getting good solid treatment so my theatre measures top notch prior to Adam performing his audio magic. Once more MORE than I had planned on spending, redoing acoustic treatments, but not a good idea to mix and match the Michael Green stuff with what's recommended by Quest. I will keep the Michael Green Acoustical Crown Molding at the four walls/ceiling joint, but that's it! And since we will get stuff that to my eye looks ok and I'm not concerned about hiding the treatments this should save me a lot of $$$$. I love the Michael Green stuff, but now using the Trinnov SSP and so many speakers, I think best to follow recommendations of what has worked well for Adam Pelz in his many custom installs and setups/calibrations, thus following recommendations of Quest makes the most sense.

I anticipate it will be at least a month, maybe two? before all is done. Then I'll do the initial basic setup and calibration, and Adam Pelz is scheduled to come down the end of October to do both my theatre and Mani's theatre!

I will update as renovation/construction, etc proceeds.

Aside from my installer Gerry Behm and my cabinet guy Andrew Frank, an especial thanks to Jon Herron of Trinnov and Adam Pelz, Trinnov master cablibrator, who have been so responsive in giving me good advise on speakers and setup for my theatre renovation/upgrade. Adam is scheduled to come out late October, he hasn't been paid one penny yet, yet he is phenomenal on helping ASAP whenever I have a question or concern, as he is a perfectionist and likes to assist as much as possible so the theatre is as "pefect" as practical before he does his magic. And of course my AVS friends, in particular folks like Mark Burnstein, Mani, Jim Goodrich, and others as well!

https://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/show....php?t=1158431 No dealer is authorized to tell you I refer to them - any referrals I make will be done personally by me. Over the years I have found certain dealer(s) who I cannot recommend for good reason.
! 9.4.13 Trinnov Altitude 32 Theatre renovation/upgrade starts end of July 2019!

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Construction photos from back in late 1996 - early 1997!

Note my home theatre dimensions are #3 on the Louden scale for excellent acoustics, 25' long, 18' 3" wide and 12' high (actually, in construction ended up being 1" short of 12' high).

When my theatre was built late 1996/early 1997 I had done a lot of research on building it, acoustics books and Widescreen Review Magazine articles on the subject. The theatre addition was added East of the Master Bedroom. A hallway and bathroom are between the Master Bedroom and the Home Theater room. The theater's cement foundation has seams between the theater and the hallway/bathroom, and also between the hallway/bathroom and the Master Bedroom, for vibration control. Double masonite doors with wood and rubber seals around them lead from the Master Bedroom to the hallway, and from the hallway to the theater. Double 2 inch X 4 inch stud walls, with 1 inch air space inbetween, are between the Master Bedroom and the hallway/bathroom. (The current theatre renovation will at the rear of the home theater have a separate and cooled/vented area where the projector is mounted behind port glass and the component racks are located, also with disc storage.There is blown in cellulose insulation for all of the walls, which seeps into and perfectly seals all nooks and crannies, except the ceiling insulation is BAT (much of the ceiling is taken up by large oversized air conditioning ducts and there was insuficient room up there to squeeze in a blow in cellulose). USG Acoustical Sealant was used on all stud surfaces to minimize vibrations. Sound board, followed by gyp board, was installed on all of the walls and ceiling of the entire addition. The air conditioning return is at the rear of the theater underneath the cabinets and is roughly about more than 10 feet long and 4 inches in height. The air conditioning is whisper quiet thanks to the oversized gentle turns insulated air ducts. The air return is located in the attic above the bathroom, with a separate air conditioning unit outside the room, and with the air conditioning unit on a concrete slab separated from the addition's concrete slab, so that the air conditioning is self-contained and totally separate from the rest of our home. The local code requires at minimum the Home Theater room's windows, two windows four feet wide X 5 feet high. The windows consist of one double pane outside and a single pane inside. Each pane is on a separate wood insulated frame to minimize vibrations and maximize soundproofing. Manual Draper Lightblock shades ensure that the room remains totally dark for video. Our home has a 400 amp electrical service. That service was originally split into two 200 amp panel boxes, one for the East and one for the West side of our home. With the new addition at the East of our home, its 200 amp service panel box has a new 100 amp circuit breaker, which is isolated from the 200 amp panel from which its fed, which feeds a third panel box which contains 19 dedicated 20 amp, 10 guage wire circuits for the Home Theater room only. However, I intentionally wired the Home Theater room and addition lighting, a ceiling dedicated 20 amp circuit (which can but is not presently used for the projector), and the addition air conditioning dedicated 30 amp circuit into the pre-existing East panel box, to help keep noise from those circuits out of the panel box and dedicated circuits for audio and video components. The 19 dedicated 20 amp circuits in the Home Theater room panel box are wall wired same electrical phase, skipping every even circuit in the panel box (otherwise, as in typical panel boxes which don't skip every even circuit, this results in doubling the AC power noise). 4 guage copper wire runs from the Home Theater panel box to a nearby 8 foot copper ground rod well buried in the ground. The house ground is a 4 guage copper wire from the East panel box. And a 4 guage copper wire connects the copper ground rod to the house ground. The Home Theater room electrical outlets are PS Audio Power Ports 20 amp (which replaced Hubbell one grade below hospital grade in August 2002). In 2007 added whole house surge suppression, Innovative Technology (Eaton) PTE160 for 400 amp panel and PTE0481S101 for home theater panel. Home Theater room colors are optimized for front projection, black carpet over a cement foundation, black ceiling, and black side walls from the front screen wall out seven feet to the edge of the windows, the remainder of the room is dark gray (the dark gray looks like a medium to lighter gray when placed next to black).
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The long defunct "Stereophile Guide To Home Theater" magazine did an article on my theatre "Custom Installation: Tweaked To Perfection" back in 1999. Back then, I was quite the audio tweaker, way way more than now! But the article shows where I was then and room features that at the time were pretty cool. By the time the article was published, AVS Forum was in the very early stages. I not the tweaker I once was. Gettin' too old and tired to keep on doin' all that anymore.
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Soundstage's "Home Theater Sound" website also did an article on my theatre back in 2001.

There was also an "Electronic House" magazine online article on my theatre maybe ten years ago? However, their website is gone and I didn't save that article!
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Here's photos of my theatre late September 2018 so you can have a before, and in a month or two, after picture of my theatre!

Note the black speaker like thingamagics on the walls, and ceiling above speakers, are Michael Green PZCs (Pressure Zone Controller).
I have had Four Mini Corner Controllers, placed at ceiling corners over ACM joints; Eight Wall Mount Controllers 36", one at each of four wall corners, two on each side wall; and Six Mini Echo Controllers, one centered above the screen at the wall/ceiling seam, one centered above the back cabinets' wetbar at ball wall/ceiling seam, and one placed on the ceiling above each Aerial Acoustics floorstanding speaker. Also, Michael Green Acoustical Crown Molding 5" (black) placed on bevel at wall/ceiling seams

https://www.michaelgreenaudio.net/pr...one-controller Here's a reprint of the 1995 Widescreen Review Article interviewing Michael Green explaining his room tuning products: https://www.widescreenreview.com/newsletter200712.pdf I plan to retain the Michael Green acoustic treatments in the room corners, above each of the three floorstanding Aerial Acoustics 7t speakers in the front, and along the edge of the walls/ceiling. However, I may revise/add some room treatment as well, not necessarily Michael Green.

One might say my theatre has been very functional, but not necessarily "clean" and nice lookin'. My philosophy has been heck turn off the lights, turn on the projector, and its all hidden anyway. But after all these years, I finally decided to clean it all up, except for keeping three floorstanding Aerial Acoustics 7t speakers up front with their monoblock Theta Digital Prometheus amplifiers because I am still an audiophile who believes the best soundstaging comes with floorstanding up front speakers which have some room to "breathe" and create a nice believable 3D soundstage which extends well in back of the speakers! However, the long interconnects from the very back of the theatre (where everything will be concealed) will also be concealed except where they come out of walls near the floorstanding speakers.
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By the way, I've come a long way, as I was not just a Theta luver, but also an Aerial Acoustics speaker luver since 1997. Whereas I have now left the Theta Casablanca SSP (but still have 3 Theta Prometheus monoblocks, and my new 2 Trinnov multi-channel amplifiers are manufactured by ATI/parent company of Theta):

1997: Four Aerial 10ts and a CC3
2000: CC5 replaced CC3
2001: Added three SW12 subwoofers
2008: Replaced 10ts with four 9s
2014: Replaced 9s and CC5 with 5 7ts (and sold the SW12s, now discontinued)
2019: Selling two of the 7ts, adding six of the on wall 7LCRs!
2020: When Michael Kelly comes out with his new "30T" (who knows, he might change the name by then), I plan to sell a pair of 7ts, keeping one 7t for center channel, and get a pair of 30Ts. I will finally have my dream speakers for music and home theater! (And I can finally equal or beat Ash Sharma, who has 3 Aerial 20Ts, now discontinued, up front in his theatre!)

And of course, I changed out my trusty Theta Casablanca IVA SSP to the Trinnov Altitude 32 late last February and I'm happy in every way and not lookin' back.

Components, etc for my upgraded/renovated theatre are pictured below.


Component List:

Kaleidescape Terra Movie Server 40TB (upstairs home office)
Western Digital MyCloud PR4100 Music Server 32TB (upstairs home office)
Sonic Transporter i7 for ROON DSP (Small Green Computer) (upstairs home office)

Sony VPL-VW5000ES laser projector
Paladin DCR Anamorphic Lens & Mounting Kit for Sony VPL-VW5000ES laser projector (you are providing)
Lumagen Radiance Pro 4446 video processor
Stewart Filmscreen Vistascope 2.40 14’ wide Snomatte

Trinnov Altitude 32 SSP (24 channels) (ROON Ready)
Apple TV 4k
Kaleidescape Strato C 4k player
DJM Electronics Gigafoil v4 (ethernet in, optical/fiber inside, ethernet out) (between Netgear 16 port ethernet network switcher and Kaleidescape Strato C 4k player)
Oppo UDP-205 4k blu ray player
(also future ASC 3.0 4k receiver)

TIVO Bolt OTA
Netgear 16 port ethernet switcher
3 Linksys WRT 1900 AC routers/access points (theatre, upstairs home office, and west side main floor of home)

2 PS Audio P5 power regenerators
Furman Elite 20Pfi (for projector only)

3 Aerial Acoustics 7t floorstanding speakers
6 Aerial Acoustics 7LCR on wall speakers

13 Triad Rotatable Inceiling Rotating Silver/Sat 9 speakers [Per Adam Pelz, Trinnov recommends the standard 10 Dolby Atmos speakers, then add a single Height Center and a pair of Tops to cover multiple rows, which would be 13 channels and do a good job with all 3 immersive formats, and this would use all 24 channels of the Trinnov Altitude 32 SSP.]

Trinnov Amplitude 8 multi-channel amplifier (8 channels NCore 1200 modules) (2 15 amp input) (sleep circuit)
Trinnov Amplitude 8m multi-channel amplifier (8 channels NCore 500 modules) (1 20 amp input) (sleep circuit)
ATI 526NT Multi-Channel Amplifier (6 channels NCore 500 modules) (1 20 amp input) (sleep circuit)

2 JL Audio f212 subwoofers (two 12” woofers per each subwoofer)
2 Paradigm Persona subwoofers (six 8” woofers per each subwoofer)
4 ASC Subtraps

Furniture: 6 Lazy Boy Maverick power leather recliners (burgundy)
4 SEI (Southern Enterprises) Entertainment Companion Tables w Cupholders (End Tables)
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What my theatre looks like NOW with everything cleared out. .

My installer has now taken complete measurements and is in the process of getting with Jon Herron of Trinnov to work out best placement for all speakers including inceiling speakers given room dimensions, etc. Preliminary thoughts are the system will be 9.4.13 - though if there is any reason to the 13 # would be the only one possibly subject to change and that would be downward - unlikely, but possible. Since I am willing to take out and replace lighting my installer should be able to install the inceiling Triads at the maximal positions as recommended by Trinnov so that the system works well for Dolby Atmos, DTS-X and DTS:X Pro and Auro-3D. Speakers 3 Aerial Acoustics 7t floorstanders up front; 6 Aerial Acoustics 7LCRs on wall for front wide, side and rear surround; 13 Triad Inceiling Rotatable Silver Sat 9; 2 JL Audio f212 and 2 Paradigm Persona subwoofers with each subwoofer placed at the 1/4 points of both side walls.


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Subscribed. That's a very impressive list of equipment you got there. Seen the Sony 5000 stack at arts last year and it looked phenomenal. Cant wait to see the upgrades done .atmos is such a game changer. When its used properly it changes the whole feel of the movie.

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Of course I am NOT stacking - just one Sony VW5000 projector, which I've had since late Sept 2017 and which has been ceiling mounted in my theatre, now will be moved back only a few feet, enclosed, with cooling system, adding Panamorph Paladin anamorphic lens; and I've had the Lumagen Radiance Pro all this time as well!

And for the past few years, my system had been 5.2.4, with 5 Aerial Acoustics 7t floorstanders, 2 JL Audio subwoofers, and four inceiling KEF Ci12000THX speakers, and 5 Theta Digital Prometheus monoblocks, and Theta Casablanca IVA SSP (Casablanca platform SSP since 1997, with periodic upgrades, KEF inceiling speakers past few years for Dolby Atmos, and 7ts and JL Audio since early 2014). Replaced Casablanca with Trinnov SSP Feb 2019. Sold the surround pair of Aerial 7ts and Prometheus monoblocks. Have also sold the KEF inceiling speakers which are shortly coming out.

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Thanks for the enthusiasm! However, its gonna be a good month or two. Today they're taking down the ceiling mounted Sony VW5000ES and hopefully the cabinet guy will be here for my approval for the plan to demolish the back cabinets/drawers/shelves/wetbar and put in the new cabinetry for the Mid-Atlantic component racks, disc storage and to enclose the projector. Good things come to those who wait!

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Your main speaker and ceiling speaker equipment selection, electronics, display chain, etc are all first class - squared. Off the charts excellent. And of course, having Adam in to glue it all together will be the perfect conclusion to a massive upgrade

Recognizing that personal choice (and cosmetics) almost always trumps technical specifications when deciding on AV equipment, I am still a bit curious on your subwoofer choice. While both the JL's and Paradigms have excellent reputations, you could have ended up having more for less - more extension, and more output/headroom for less money. As an example, Funk Audio and Seaton Sound will both get you into single digits. There are probably others as well. What was it about those two sub choices that caused you to select them versus other very credible options?

The MSRP of your subs (I know you didn't pay that for them, but I need a basis for comparison) is on the order of $12,000 for the Paradigms and another $12,000 for the JL Audio subs. As an example, you could have had 12 Seaton F18's (4 Masters, 8 Slaves) for slightly less money or the appropriate number of Funks for less money (the Funk 18 is probably 1.5 the equivalent of an Seaton 18) for less money. And while your room is larger than mine, 8 F18's is way more than I need and can reach well past reference with no distortion.

As I said, just curious. And very anxious to see the finished re-model!
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Your main speaker and ceiling speaker equipment selection, electronics, display chain, etc are all first class - squared. Off the charts excellent. And of course, having Adam in to glue it all together will be the perfect conclusion to a massive upgrade

Recognizing that personal choice (and cosmetics) almost always trumps technical specifications when deciding on AV equipment, I am still a bit curious on your subwoofer choice. While both the JL's and Paradigms have excellent reputations, you could have ended up having more for less - more extension, and more output/headroom for less money. As an example, Funk Audio and Seaton Sound will both get you into single digits. There are probably others as well. What was it about those two sub choices that caused you to select them versus other very credible options?

The MSRP of your subs (I know you didn't pay that for them, but I need a basis for comparison) is on the order of $12,000 for the Paradigms and another $12,000 for the JL Audio subs. As an example, you could have had 12 Seaton F18's (4 Masters, 8 Slaves) for slightly less money or the appropriate number of Funks for less money (the Funk 18 is probably 1.5 the equivalent of an Seaton 18) for less money. And while your room is larger than mine, 8 F18's is way more than I need and can reach well past reference with no distortion.

As I said, just curious. And very anxious to see the finished re-model!
I got my two JL Audio f212 v1 subwoofers (dual 12" woofers each) in early 2014. At the time, JL Audio had a great deal at nearly half off with free shipping - and that's before my negotiating price with my dealer. I got a good deal on the two Paradigm subwoofers (six 8" woofers), too. I still am too much of an audiophile, believing that multiple smaller woofers may indeed "sound" better than single very large woofers, in terms of being musical. As one can see from my use of Aerial Acoustics speakers I tend to go the more "audiophile" way - and frankly to my surprise I have found the Trinnov SSPs as very, very audiophile (replacing my Theta Digital Casablanca of many years and many upgrades). When my renovation/upgrade is all done, I will have plenty of subwoofer air movement for movies, and even better sub sonics than I have now (with JL Audio subs) for music!

Even you previously posted that not all subwoofers sound the same, as I believe you had some different Seaton subs previously, sold them, got your current subs, and stated that you liked your prior subwoofers better!

Yes it exciting that some day this will be all done and Adam will have worked his magic and bye bye my tweaking days! HA!

Here's a photo of my previous back cabinets/shelves/drawers after yesterday's "demo" (demolition) by my cabinet guru Andrew Frank. The rest is coming out early next week after my plumber gets here to cap off the water line to the sink which had been there. (And a photo after the water line is capped off and the entire demolition complete on Aug 12th)
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So what is your best estimate of the date you will get to sit down and enjoy your first movie with all of these new goodies and totally calibrated?
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So what is your best estimate of the date you will get to sit down and enjoy your first movie with all of these new goodies and totally calibrated?
I am hoping late October/early November. HOPING!

My installer has a brother-in-law general contractor HVAC contractor. This contractor is OCD just like my installer - total attention to detail.
My existing AC return is UNDER the cabinets/shelves that WERE at the back of my theatre, which are now all removed. Last Friday the HVAC contractor inspected it all. What he recommends is removing the existing AC return, which is good because then some Mid-Atlantic component racks will have space/room to be rolled out to connect/disconnect/change components, etc. Installing new AC ducting with the actual "noisy" return in the hallway to the theatre; and with a quiet passive return above the entrance doors to the theatre which links to the actual "noisy" return outside in the hallway. Thus again no noise from the AC return. And venting will be installed by where the projector is mounted in the new cabinetry to ensure proper venting and cooling of the projector without requiring an additional separate cooling system for the projector. Now that this is being figured out, next step is to get and obtain the acoustics treatment design and materials, etc, etc. Getting there slowly but surely!

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Once its all done and properly calibrated by Adam Pelz - we'll set the date for when you advise, with reasonable advance notice, that you can make it!

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I am hoping late October/early November. HOPING!

My installer has a brother-in-law general contractor HVAC contractor. This contractor is OCD just like my installer - total attention to detail.
My existing AC return is UNDER the cabinets/shelves that WERE at the back of my theatre, which are now all removed. Last Friday the HVAC contractor inspected it all. What he recommends is removing the existing AC return, which is good because then some Mid-Atlantic component racks will have space/room to be rolled out to connect/disconnect/change components, etc. Installing new AC ducting with the actual "noisy" return in the hallway to the theatre; and with a quiet passive return above the entrance doors to the theatre which links to the actual "noisy" return outside in the hallway. Thus again no noise from the AC return. And venting will be installed by where the projector is mounted in the new cabinetry to ensure proper venting and cooling of the projector without requiring an additional separate cooling system for the projector. Now that this is being figured out, next step is to get and obtain the acoustics treatment design and materials, etc, etc. Getting there slowly but surely!

Delays, Delays, Delays! But sometimes Delays are good!

As I have mentioned before, my installer and friend, Gerry Behm, is OCD on this stuff like me. This is a good thing, but takes longer.

He got his brother-in-law, a general contractor/HVAC contractor, to come out and review the site last week. I have a long several inch high return air vent (quiet) under the former back cabinets/shelves at the back of my theatre. But just on the other side of the wall (behind what was the cabinets/shelves) is an 18" wide or so air duct going up the wall for that vent. The plan appears to be to add new air duct/venting with the return in the hallway outside the theatre, where we are not concerned about noise from the air return as the theatre doors will be closed for movies and music, with a passive quiet return above the theatre entrance doors which links to the hallway return. So the 18" wide air duct going up in back of what was the rear cabinets/shelves will no longer be needed. I found the plans for my theatre addition (I was out of town last week when they came out), so they are coming back out to review the plans and finalize the tearing down and new cabinetry (for rollout Mid-Atlantic component racks and disc storage). We may well end up having a lot more space at the back of my theatre due to this!

I will make myself be patient, watch my 65" Plasma down my basement, for the forseeable future, knowing that when my theatre renovation/upgrade eventually gets all done, it should be remarkable!

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We are also looking at having the 2nd row center be the MLP instead of front row center as I've done all these years. With the front left and right Aerial 7ts floorstanding speakers being turned (as are all speakers) towards the MLP and 2-3 feet out from the side walls and perhaps about 4 feet from the front screen & wall. And with the MLP equidistant from the front left and right, and front center, floorstanding Aerial 7ts, the same distance as between the front left and right Aerial 7ts, forming an equilateral triangle as is often recommended for the best two channel music sonics!

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And with the MLP equidistant from the front left and right, and front center, floorstanding Aerial 7ts, the same distance as between the front left and right Aerial 7ts, forming an equilateral triangle as is often recommended for the best two channel music sonics!
While maybe true, it is, in my experience, significantly less so when using AuroMatic.
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While maybe true, it is, in my experience, significantly less so when using AuroMatic.
Bottom line is in my overhaul/upgrade of my theatre, I have opportunity to put all speakers in maximal positions sonically. Adam and some others have advised this is the best way to go if I can.
And as I am using floorstanding speakers up front and am still somewhat of an audiophile, why not?

https://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/show....php?t=1158431 No dealer is authorized to tell you I refer to them - any referrals I make will be done personally by me. Over the years I have found certain dealer(s) who I cannot recommend for good reason.
! 9.4.13 Trinnov Altitude 32 Theatre renovation/upgrade starts end of July 2019!
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