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JVC NX9 ($18k) still too dim?

Ok , this projector doesn’t quite meet $20k gear but it’s close.

I am designing a light controlled / dark home theater , with front row 10.5 feet from screen. Looking at a 150” wide 1:2.40 scope screen (2 way masking, Seymour Screen Excellence TRIM-L 150). The screen material has 0.9 unbenchmarked gain since must be acoustically transparent (Enlightor Neo).

ProjectorPro states even the JVC NX9 (2200 lumens) will only light my screen to 13 fL. If you factor in the real world gain of 0.9 that’s 11.7 fL. Too dim as 16 is ideal. And I assume ProjectorPro uses full lamp power for its calculation.

Do I really need to go the next step up to a $65k projector like Wolf TXF 5000 to get adequate brightness ?

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Ok , this projector doesn’t quite meet $20k gear but it’s close.

I am designing a light controlled / dark home theater , with front row 10.5 feet from screen. Looking at a 150” wide 1:2.40 scope screen (2 way masking, Seymour Screen Excellence TRIM-L 150). The screen material has 0.9 unbenchmarked gain since must be acoustically transparent (Enlightor Neo).

ProjectorPro states even the JVC NX9 (2200 lumens) will only light my screen to 13 fL. If you factor in the real world gain of 0.9 that’s 11.7 fL. Too dim as 16 is ideal. And I assume ProjectorPro uses full lamp power for its calculation.

Do I really need to go the next step up to a $65k projector like Wolf TXF 5000 to get adequate brightness ?
JVC RS4500 would light that screen up. Call around you'd be surprised what street prices go for.
If you don't need good black performance on low APL scenes, you can jump into a BenQ LK series (970/990) which would light up that screen
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So much fun to be in the design phase of your theater!! I did my own and loved the process. However when I finally had a real pro in to calibrate he identified some real issues with my projector and screen choice. I was left thinking I wish I had brought him in on the design phase. That chap was Kris Deering, image gurue. You could easily hire him to give you some quick tips, or a full blown consult. He is all over these forums, and is a key consultant for lumagen....

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JVC RS4500 would light that screen up. Call around you'd be surprised what street prices go for.

If you don't need good black performance on low APL scenes, you can jump into a BenQ LK series (970/990) which would light up that screen

I looked at the JVC RS4500. For $35k, I am disappointed in its contrast (normal viewing one reviewer on sound and vision noted 80,000:1), as well as loud fan noise and slow HDMI switching.

Any recommendations for a 4k competitor that can light up 150” scope screen (0.9 gain) adequately in dark room ? Wolf ? Barco?
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JVC NX9 ($18k) still too dim?

If you plan to watch a lot of HDR then a Sony 5000ES would be the way to go.

With the JVC RS4500 you would get just shy of 30fL with a .9 screen, which would be the very minimum I would consider for HDR. With the Sony 5000ES you would have close to 50fL.

The Sony could also be run at far lower power for regular SDR content and would be basically silent.

Like the JVC, the Sony can be also be purchased for way less than retail.


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Blake is your screen multi masking or fixed AR frame?

If the later you could go to a 1.3 or 1.5 gain with the JVC.

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I looked at the JVC RS4500. For $35k, I am disappointed in its contrast (normal viewing one reviewer on sound and vision noted 80,000:1), as well as loud fan noise and slow HDMI switching.

Any recommendations for a 4k competitor that can light up 150” scope screen (0.9 gain) adequately in dark room ? Wolf ? Barco?
Not if you’re disappointed in 80k:1 contrast. The next best contrast wise is the Sony 5000ES but that has around 20k:1 contrast and the laser dimming outside of fade to black is not well implemented. The rs4500 laser dimming is incredible. Black performance on space scenes and such are almost as good as my rs640. Far better than the rs3000. Also that review was done before jvc released its big fw update that fixed laser dimming. Lots of others can tell you this in the rs4500 owners thread.

The other projectors you listed aren’t great for contrast wolf often rebrands jvc for a huge price premium. Barco is still dlp etc.

If you are worried about HDR then a device to perform dynamic tone mapping (madVR or lumagen) lets you get good HDR with close to SDR light requirements.
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I have the RS3000 on a 168" screen, and have great brightness. However, I went with the Panamorph DCR lens (for brightness and true 4k) and a Lumagen to ensure HDR tone mapping was correct (which is really all that's needed when you consider HDR and brightness).

I went through Kris Deering as well for setup (and for the purchase and calibration of some of the the gear - and worked through him on buying what he didn't sell directly). After seeing Kris's theater and looking at this all first hand, I also picked up his Legacy Audio speakers as he was looking to test some new ones.

Kris has this same setup in his theater room (except for a different screen non-AT screen). I went with the Enlightor screen after comparing them all as I wanted the extra brightness over the Neo.

I'd be surprised that if you have a light controlled room, you won't be bright enough. I have eye sight issues with darkness, and as such, can't see as well as others at night (in many cases I see nothing).

I also put up Protostar on my walls and ceiling around the screen to remove all light bouncing - which is what Kris did in his theater.

I came from a brighter (rated) PJ that wasn't actually brighter. The 3000 can really throw some light when setup right.

But call Kris Deering - tell him you spoke with Adam about his setup and your concerns, and he'll get you sorted.
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I looked at the JVC RS4500. For $35k, I am disappointed in its contrast (normal viewing one reviewer on sound and vision noted 80,000:1), as well as loud fan noise and slow HDMI switching.

Any recommendations for a 4k competitor that can light up 150” scope screen (0.9 gain) adequately in dark room ? Wolf ? Barco?
Was the review by Kris? I don't recall anyone else reviewing the 4500 on SV. You might want to ask what he thinks about the 4500 now.

If you are disappointed in the contrast of the 4500 then a DLP is going to really make you sad.
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Was the review by Kris? I don't recall anyone else reviewing the 4500 on SV. You might want to ask what he thinks about the 4500 now.

If you are disappointed in the contrast of the 4500 then a DLP is going to really make you sad.
Yes, the SV review was by Kris Deering in 2017. I understand a firmware update for the RS4500 markedly improved the dynamic modulation ("iris") of the laser, but I have not found any reviews for this projector since 2017.

It was released in 2016. When is JVC due to refresh this flagship model ?
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Yes, the SV review was by Kris Deering in 2017. I understand a firmware update for the RS4500 markedly improved the dynamic modulation ("iris") of the laser, but I have not found any reviews for this projector since 2017.

It was released in 2016. When is JVC due to refresh this flagship model ?
They've said not this year. RS4500 is the best projector I've ever seen. Sharper than any of the sony's I have had, black performance on par with my RS500 only bested by my RS640. The dynamic dimming is implemented so well. The RS3000 was here in my room for side-by-side and it was also quite good. But JVC's dynamic iris implementation this round isn't aggressive enough for me so the RS3000's black performance just isn't where I'd want it. Still better than any competition but not in line with my RS4500 or previous generation JVC.
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If you are willing to spend the money, then a Sony 5000 might be your best bet like ccool said.

There is also the Sim 2 Duo that Arrow reviewed.

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If you plan to watch a lot of HDR then a Sony 5000ES would be the way to go.

With the JVC RS4500 you would get just shy of 30fL with a .9 screen, which would be the very minimum I would consider for HDR. With the Sony 5000ES you would have close to 50fL.

The Sony could also be run at far lower power for regular SDR content and would be basically silent.

Like the JVC, the Sony can be also be purchased for way less than retail.


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@blake I went with the VW5000 for the reasons ccool96 pointed out , for a screen of that size and gain nothing short of the VW5000 or BenQ 970/990 will have sufficient light for great HDR content. I actually viewed the RS4500 and NX9 on a 150" screen 1.0 gain ST100. Even with the RS4500 on high it was really weak HDR, SDR would be ok . The NX9 was just not capable of making this accepatable at all for HDR , that was obvious immediately. The RS4500 running on high is also obnoxiously loud, even from the back of the room the unattenuated noise level was overwhelming, could be heard through all the soundtracks, it would definitely have to be mounted in some kind of hush box. Lastly, the contrast of the RS4500 running on high is the lowest level it is capable of , measures in the 8000:1 range on average from several reviews .When I considered the RS4500 it was going to be used on a 140" diagonal, maximum ,using ST130 ( 1.3 gain) and anamorphic lens would have given descent HDR , kept the laser in the mid laser position which would yield native contrast in the 20,000 range, precisely why the vast majority of owners use this screen size and run mid laser . The NX9 on a 150" screen of .9 gain is not a good combination if you want HDR to pop as it should.



29fl is suggested as minimum HDR, 50-60FL is where HDR comes to life and works best, other high end manufactures well beyond this mark already . I suggest going to see a few setups that have the equipment you are considering, for the money you intend to spend it's well worth the effort . I'm so glad I did this very thing , you get to see with your own eyes what are the results , then you can make the appropriate decision necessary especially considering your personal taste being the ultimate variable. In the end I realized what works and what does not , saved me a lot of headaches and money .



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They've said not this year. RS4500 is the best projector ....

What about 2020 ? Historically, how often does JVC refresh their flagship laser ?




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You will know when the rest of us know.

Since this is their first, I would guess maybe next year. I wouldn't bet on it though, as Sony takes a couple of years between high end refreshes. JVC might do the same.

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The RS4500 is JVC's first consumer " flagship " laser projector. So, there is no history to go by. I love mine, but my screen is much smaller and much higher gain ( ST130 ) than what you are planning.

See if you can make it to Cedia this year for a day or two - you might find a projector that will work for you. Nothing like seeing them in person.
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I looked at the JVC RS4500. For $35k, I am disappointed in its contrast (normal viewing one reviewer on sound and vision noted 80,000:1), as well as loud fan noise and slow HDMI switching.

Any recommendations for a 4k competitor that can light up 150” scope screen (0.9 gain) adequately in dark room ? Wolf ? Barco?
SIM2 Nero4S+ I compared it to the Sony 5000 and preferred the Sim2. Its brighter and has a better picture.
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JVC NX9 ($18k) still too dim?

I know this is going to seem like a long shot. But the BenQ LK990 4k laser DLP based projector is only $10k (vs JVC 4500 40k) and has twice the lumens (6000 vs 3000) and similar color space. HDR would look way better on this markedly less expensive projector ! I assume the down side will be contrast - how much worse will this laser DLP truly be ? I will have a fully light controlled room.

I am not comfortable spending $40k on a JVC (even $35k street) when it can’t even do HDR properly! I am sure their refresh will boost the lumens and maybe I should purchase a less expensive alternative until that comes out.

And the Sony 5000 at $85k retail is way out of budget. Edit : this is Canadian dollars. MSRP in the states is $60k USD.



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I know this is going to seem like a long shot. But the BenQ LK990 4k laser DLP based projector is only $10k (vs JVC 4500 40k) and has twice the lumens (6000 vs 3000) and similar color space. HDR would look way better on this markedly less expensive projector ! I assume the down side will be contrast - how much worse will this laser DLP truly be ? I will have a fully light controlled room.

I am not comfortable spending $40k on a JVC (even $35k street) when it can’t even do HDR properly! I am sure their refresh will boost the lumens and maybe I should purchase a less expensive alternative until that comes out.

And the Sony 5000 at $85k retail is way out of budget.



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I don’t know where you are getting your prices but they are extremely inflated. Actual street prices are nowhere near what you are quoting.


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I am with you Craig because i paid less than retail value of an NX9 for my RS4500 - i have a 150" diagonal SI 1.3 gain screen 2,40:1 screen Chad B calibrated everything and i can't see having a much better picture quality/ the dtm in the lumagen pro made a leap in HDR picture quality as well - the Lumagen Rad Pro and Panamorph DCR Lens probably has a lot to do with the overall results with the RS4500 but even with the cost of those items added to the projector is no where near actual retail of the RS4500 - I am sure when JVC decides to upgrade their laser flagship projector it will be no problem selling the RS4500's that are already out there - and i will already have the DCR lens and Lumagen for that next jump in evolution.
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I know this is going to seem like a long shot. But the BenQ LK990 4k laser DLP based projector is only $10k (vs JVC 4500 40k) and has twice the lumens (6000 vs 3000) and similar color space. HDR would look way better on this markedly less expensive projector ! I assume the down side will be contrast - how much worse will this laser DLP truly be ? I will have a fully light controlled room.

I am not comfortable spending $40k on a JVC (even $35k street) when it can’t even do HDR properly! I am sure their refresh will boost the lumens and maybe I should purchase a less expensive alternative until that comes out.

And the Sony 5000 at $85k retail is way out of budget. Edit : this is Canadian dollars. MSRP in the states is $60k USD.



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I am not sure about the pricing in Canada, but I didn't think people were paying $85k for the 5000.

If you are using Kris's reviews, then you should read his reviews of the Benqs.

I am not sure if it is possible, but you might be able to stack two NX7s.

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Can you stack two NX7 horizontally and use horizontal lens shift to overlay images ?

Is there any dedicated hardware / processor to make this process easier / more effective ?



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I know this is going to seem like a long shot. But the BenQ LK990 4k laser DLP based projector is only $10k (vs JVC 4500 40k) and has twice the lumens (6000 vs 3000) and similar color space. HDR would look way better on this markedly less expensive projector ! I assume the down side will be contrast - how much worse will this laser DLP truly be ? I will have a fully light controlled room.

I am not comfortable spending $40k on a JVC (even $35k street) when it can’t even do HDR properly! I am sure their refresh will boost the lumens and maybe I should purchase a less expensive alternative until that comes out.

And the Sony 5000 at $85k retail is way out of budget. Edit : this is Canadian dollars. MSRP in the states is $60k USD.



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Paying for a new projector at the end of life cycle is not the best decision IMHO , that's the kind of money you spend when the product is new, or within two years max . Street pricing for the VW5000 is much less than MSRP suggested here as others have already mentioned and you can get used low time for a fraction of new pricing . I had a number of used RS4500 / VW5000 ,sub 1000 hour available as used , the RS4500 for $14,000US, VW5000 for $27,000US . I actually picked up a zero hour unused VW5000 new in the crate for the price I just indicated , many other low time used in the same range and to be honest that is the pricing you should expect at this point in their life cycle. Good news , both are going to remain as is for at least another year and why not, they are both current as any for technical features. Shop street pricing and the used market, you can take advantage of many that are available.



Sony 4K projectors also have dedicated software for stacking which makes the process much easier and accurate, I actually considered the very same. Two stacked VW885 projectors would yield 3700 calibrated about the same light output as the VW5000, These laser light engines would last up to 20,000 hours , have little to no maintenance. With used pricing for these projectors I'd expect it would be low twenties range . Personally, stacking is a lot of work, you end up having to tweak the image often, twice the calibration and maintenance especially for a lamp based projector that will continuously shift as the lamp fades . For a little more a single source solution would be a lot easirer IMHO and any projector with a laser will be much more stable, require much less maintenance.



One thing for sure , if you want to light up a 150" screen at .9 gain you'll want the VW5000, BenQ LK970/990 or the Sim2 mentioned earlier, anything less will be underwhelming for HDR , that is a gurantee.

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I am with you Craig because i paid less than retail value of an NX9 for my RS4500 - i have a 150" diagonal SI 1.3 gain screen 2,40:1 screen Chad B calibrated everything and i can't see having a much better picture quality/ the dtm in the lumagen pro made a leap in HDR picture quality as well - the Lumagen Rad Pro and Panamorph DCR Lens probably has a lot to do with the overall results with the RS4500 but even with the cost of those items added to the projector is no where near actual retail of the RS4500 - I am sure when JVC decides to upgrade their laser flagship projector it will be no problem selling the RS4500's that are already out there - and i will already have the DCR lens and Lumagen for that next jump in evolution.

1. do you think the Panamorph really gives you 38% more lumen fL from the RS4500? I have always been skeptical of these panamorph claims.

2. Is the native HDR tone mapping not good enough in this projector - what does the Lumagen Rad Pro add (better color space, brightness , contrast ??)
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1. do you think the Panamorph really gives you 38% more lumen fL from the RS4500? I have always been skeptical of these panamorph claims.

2. Is the native HDR tone mapping not good enough in this projector - what does the Lumagen Rad Pro add (better color space, brightness , contrast ??)
It gives 38% increase in lumens on scope content by using the entire panel. The claims are real. You could also do a slight gain screen like a Stewart 1.3.

I don't agree with Roxie at all on the needed light for HDR - not with dynamic tone mapping in the mix. This is provided by something like madVR or lumagen (or Envy if it comes out). With this type of tone mapping, if your display looks good on SDR it will look good on HDR. After all, HDR is about additional gamut not about blinding light levels.

Your prices on the RS4500 are super blown up and not even close. The projector has been MSRP $30K all year and street prices are considerably less. Unfortunately you'll have to message a dealer to get a price as people aren't allowed to advertise street prices here.

Also, the LK990 price is significantly cheaper than you mentioned, too. The benq's contrast is really really bad. 1000:1 native, 5000:1 dynamic. But on bright scenes this won't matter. FYI, my RS4500's black performance outperforms my old RS500 with dynamic laser dimming which, unlike the Sony implementation that does almost nothing, actually gives fantastic black level performance - assuming you care about that.

Sony's laser dimming does nothing outside of fade to black. Kris Deering measured 15000:1 native and 19000:1 with laser dimming added. On the other hand, my RS4500 can do over 200K:1 dynamic.

For me it's an odd situation. Either you care about black performance in which case nothing but JVC will work for you. Or you don't in which case don't even bother with Sony just go to something cheaper like the BenQ as neither has good black performance.

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1. do you think the Panamorph really gives you 38% more lumen fL from the RS4500? I have always been skeptical of these panamorph claims.

2. Is the native HDR tone mapping not good enough in this projector - what does the Lumagen Rad Pro add (better color space, brightness , contrast ??)

The Native HDR tone mapping has nothing to do with it if you have a Lumagen Pro, Mad VR, maybe future Envy - although if you follow what has happened in the near past JVC added HDR Tone mapping to the RS4500 (I will not need to use this since i have the Lumagen Pro now) when i planned all this out the NX9 was going to be my choice because it came out with anamorphic modes and HDR tone mapping built in and 8K eshift (Great selling features, shy of deciding whether or not i wanted laser or bulb based projector - Going with the RS4500 and DCR Lens combo meant purchasing a Lumagen Rad Pro - which was not going to be required with the NX9/DCR Lens combo - that was the hard pill to swallow but it was necessary with the DCR Lens/4500 combo to properly apply the full panels to the 2,40:1 screen (150" diagonal) i already purchased - as I was going to purchase a DCR lens regardless, this was a choice i had to decide on - the lens will work on most of the new and some older projectors and was a great match for the RS4500 it was also a perfect set up directly for the NX9 - the other choice was the standard Panamorph lens (which would not have required the lumagen pro) which some people have with the RS4500 but it required a longer throw distance - and i already had projector placement and wiring set for the NX9 - throw distance was great for the RS4500/DCR in the same location. The biggest benefit so far purchasing the Lumagen was the introduction to DTM - The difference that has introduced is stunning - There are just too many people now with the RS4500 Lumagen Pro DCR/std Paladin lens combos that can give you input on the results -

This is my first projector install and i have never had one in the past - always high end TV's latest being LG OLED i have a 65" signature and a 77" signature - prior to that Pioneer Elite Plasma's - so i am fond of great blacks when it comes to picture quality.

I have to agree to the recent post - it is not about having the brightest TV/projector on the planet, it boils down to the best possible picture quality under calibrated conditions.


I know jack about calibrating a projection system, that is why I had Chad B come out and calibrate the whole audio/video system when i was complete and i could not be happier.


Good luck on your decision.
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For me it's an odd situation. Either you care about black performance in which case nothing but JVC will work for you. Or you don't in which case don't even bother with Sony just go to something cheaper like the BenQ as neither has good black performance.
That is a little over the top don't you think. Even 15k to 1 is still over three times better than the DLPs.

I believe it was three years ago that a lot of people including me thought the Ken Whitcomb calibrated 5000 in the Wisdom booth was best picture in show. Last year, Kris and I went into a booth that he had calibrated their Sony (8 or 9? cant remember). I thought it looked great.

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That is a little over the top don't you think. Even 15k to 1 is still over three times better than the DLPs.

I believe it was three years ago that a lot of people including me thought the Ken Whitcomb calibrated 5000 in the Wisdom booth was best picture in show. Last year, Kris and I went into a booth that he had calibrated their Sony (8 or 9? cant remember). I thought it looked great.
I dont think it's over the top at all. Sony's black performance simply isn't good enough for me. The space scenes are very grey and I watch a lot of SciFi. They could fix this in firmware but they don't care. Many people don't care about it either. 15K:1 native is pretty good to start but you need a solid dimming / iris system to get the black floor down. Sony doesn't do this. If the blacks are going to be trashed either way, I don't care much if it's totally trashed at 5K:1 or just somewhat trashed at 19K:1 either one will pull me out of the movie and have me wishing the blacks didn't look so bad. My 675ES had much better contrast numbers than the 5000ES or 885ES and SciFi on that was not good to watch. I actually bought an RS640 just to enjoy my binge watch of the expanse at the time.

Unfortunately, good black performance is very important to some of us. Others really don't care. So that's why I prefaced it with "if black performance is important to you".

On the bright type content that Sony demos in its shows, the 5000ES probably looks spectacular. But so would the BenQs.

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JVC NX9 ($18k) still too dim?

I love DTM, but I don’t get this thought that just because we now have good DTM we don’t need light output. Sorry I don’t want to watch HDR at 18-20fL which is what most consider the minimum required for SDR content. Heck even SDR movies are graded for 30fL.

The Sony 5000ES has almost 20 times the native contrast of the BenQ. The RS4500 has half that. There is a lot bigger difference between the Sony 5000 at 20 times the native contrast of the BenQ, vs 4-5 times dynamic advantage the RS4500 has over the Sony 5000. Not to mention the BenQ is a single chip DLP, which to me is even a bigger draw back than the low contrast.

There is a reason why the very best of the best home theaters with unlimited budgets have a Sony 5000ES. It’s simply the only option for high contrast / large screen viewing. The JVC RS4500 is half the projector in terms of sheer light output.

The JVC RS4500 and the NX9 both look great on a smallish screen. But even a 12’ wide screen with a 1.3 gain fabric is pushing the limits of what the RS4500 can do. You would just barely get 40fL out of it, and that is running at full power with iris wide open.



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Unfortunately, good black performance is very important to some of us. Others really don't care. So that's why I prefaced it with "if black performance is important to you".

On the bright type content that Sony demos in its shows, the 5000ES probably looks spectacular. But so would the BenQs.
I really care about on/off cr. It is the reason I watch my OLED almost all the time. That being said you make it sound like it is JVC or nothing in regards to on/off cr. The on/off cr of the Sony is not in the same league as the DLPs you referenced. There is quite a noticeable difference. I could easily see one being satisfied with the Sony and not the DLPs.

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