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Samsung The Wall Owners Thread 2019

OK, looks like I'm going to be one of the first installations of the consumer version of Samsung's The Wall. I believe there have been just a handful of consumer installs recently or on-going. This MicroLED display has been shipping already for commercial cinema, but they just started shipping the high end consumer version. The only differences I know of between the two is a) the media box that drives the display is different (as you would imagine), and b) the consumer one has a refresh rate of 120 hz versus 60 hz.

I'm getting the "smallest" version of The Wall which is 16 panels in a 16x9 aspect ratio with overall size of 146" diagonal and 4K resolution. I measured this to be 127" wide by 72" high.

Current plans are for Samsung to be here October 7th for the install which could take all week. Will keep you guys in the loop.
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Best of luck, for folks like us I can only imagine how exciting this must be. I was more expecting to see these installed but very little opportunity for a detailed behind the scenes version as you are likely to grant us.

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May I ask what size the wall is that you are mounting this to?
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May I ask what size the wall is that you are mounting this to?
I’ll give you guys more pics and dimensions next week when I start the prep phase of this project.

This will be the third display tech for this custom theater that was built around 2004. Originally, it was built with a, coincidentally, 146” diagonal screen. Lots of ceiling height, so I was able to mount front channel speakers above and below the screen. Due to ignorance on both my and my theater designers part, we built the projector such that it was quite a bit higher than the top of the screen (three rows of stadium seating). We then had the challenge of finding a projector that would work without a ton of keystoning. The ONLY HD projector that would work was the JVC QX1, which, as it happens was a fantastic projector. It had a 4x3 output of 1920x1536 pixels. So we could project HD on the lower 2/3 of the screen and project “black” on the top third and it worked well. That projector had such dark blacks that you didn’t notice this hack.

A couple of years ago I was itching for a 4K projector, but couldn’t find anything that could handle my unusual physical set up. I ended up replacing the QX1 with a high end Sony 4K projector. I had to make the screen larger by futzing around with the curtains, moving the front channel speakers behind the screen, using a perforated screen, and finally living with a slight keystone.

But I haven’t liked the result. The screen is now too big. The first two seating rows are now too close to the screen, and the back row is the only row people like sitting in. The perforated screen muddied the center channel and I had to eq compensate for it. And finally, AppleTV 4K HDR content is either washed out or too dark. I can’t get it right.

Needless to say, I’m really looking forward to having an active display there for the first time. It will fix all the problems I introduced two years ago and should be awesome. And by a stroke of luck it is exactly the right size that the theater was designed for.
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I’ll give you guys more pics and dimensions next week when I start the prep phase of this project.


Needless to say, I’m really looking forward to having an active display there for the first time. It will fix all the problems I introduced two years ago and should be awesome. And by a stroke of luck it is exactly the right size that the theater was designed for.
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Needless to say, I’m really looking forward to having an active display there for the first time. It will fix all the problems I introduced two years ago and should be awesome. And by a stroke of luck it is exactly the right size that the theater was designed for.

Thank you, your opinions will be much appreciated in having transitioned from a high end 4k laser projector to a comparably sized micro LED display that some of us are aspiring to.
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OK, looks like I'm going to be one of the first installations of the consumer version of Samsung's The Wall. I believe there have been just a handful of consumer installs recently or on-going. This MicroLED display has been shipping already for commercial cinema, but they just started shipping the high end consumer version. The only differences I know of between the two is a) the media box that drives the display is different (as you would imagine), and b) the consumer one has a refresh rate of 120 hz versus 60 hz.

I'm getting the "smallest" version of The Wall which is 16 panels in a 16x9 aspect ratio with overall size of 146" diagonal and 4K resolution. I measured this to be 127" wide by 72" high.

Current plans are for Samsung to be here October 7th for the install which could take all week. Will keep you guys in the loop.
Wow, congrats! Oh to be an early adopter of this tech!

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Here are some pics of the theater as currently constructed (actually the curtains are the way it was originally constructed, but I had to butcher the top and sides for the larger screen - I'll put them back to this look once the Samsung is installed). On the third picture, you can see the projector porthole just above the Exit sign. Won't need that going forward!
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Here are some pics of the theater as currently constructed (actually the curtains are the way it was originally constructed, but I had to butcher the top and sides for the larger screen - I'll put them back to this look once the Samsung is installed). On the third picture, you can see the projector porthole just above the Exit sign. Won't need that going forward!
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That is one ornate room you have there my friend!

Man I would love to see the end result once you have had your wall installed and calibrated etc.

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Here are some pics of the theater as currently constructed (actually the curtains are the way it was originally constructed, but I had to butcher the top and sides for the larger screen - I'll put them back to this look once the Samsung is installed). On the third picture, you can see the projector porthole just above the Exit sign. Won't need that going forward!
Wow .... that’s one hell of a theater
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Here are some pics of the theater as currently constructed (actually the curtains are the way it was originally constructed, but I had to butcher the top and sides for the larger screen - I'll put them back to this look once the Samsung is installed). On the third picture, you can see the projector porthole just above the Exit sign. Won't need that going forward!
Make sure the room reflections don't ruin the contrast.
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Jeez. That's really something! Agree with @mhafner and had the same thought about the lighter colors and gloss (?) wood (?) finishes causing reflections and impacting contrast.

Anyway, cannot wait for updates! As it's now October, hoping for "soon!"

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Here are some pics of the theater as currently constructed (actually the curtains are the way it was originally constructed, but I had to butcher the top and sides for the larger screen - I'll put them back to this look once the Samsung is installed). On the third picture, you can see the projector porthole just above the Exit sign. Won't need that going forward!
I don't hang around the home theatre forum much, but this is one of the most beautiful home theaters I've seen. It almost reminds me of the fox theatre, perhaps because of it being ornate. But this definitely looks like a work of art itself. Hopefully the screen turns out as well as you expect.
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Jeez. That's really something! Agree with @mhafner and had the same thought about the lighter colors and gloss (?) wood (?) finishes causing reflections and impacting contrast.

Anyway, cannot wait for updates! As it's now October, hoping for "soon!"
Even when I had a screen, reflections were never a problem. With active LEDs, I don't think it'll be a problem. At the Samsung showroom, they had it installed in a room that wasn't well set up with lots of lights, and I didn't notice any reflections.

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I couldn't find any reasonable price estimate. Anyone have any ballpark figures? I would be interested in around the same size of ~135" diagonal 4k 120hz. I would imagine this early we are looking at close to 6 figures? Any relative price info would be great to know. Thanks and can't wait!

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I couldn't find any reasonable price estimate. Anyone have any ballpark figures? I would be interested in around the same size of ~135" diagonal 4k 120hz. I would imagine this early we are looking at close to 6 figures? Any relative price info would be great to know. Thanks and can't wait!

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$400K for the 146" diagonal version (4K).

So, I'm almost all set for Samsung's arrival tomorrow. Just gotta clean up a few things. Luckily when I built the theater, the contractor installed a 3/4" blue tube conduit from my source rack to the right lower speaker area. I used that to pull a two pair XLR cable to drive the two subwoofers, and for the Samsung, a shielded cat 6 cable and two fiber cables. I stupidly didn't use lubricant when I first tried to do the pull and I broke the strain relief pulling harness. So out to home depot I went and bought electrician's lubricant, and the second time it went very smoothly (if a bit messy). I knew better, I was just stupid. Here's hoping I didn't damage the fiber optic cables in that mess, but I do have a couple of spares that I'd rather not have to repull if worse comes to worse.

Again, luckily, during the initial install, the electricians had pulled a couple of extra 12 gauge circuits to the right bottom speaker area which I was able to repurpose to provide the 240V/20A circuit for the display.

Here's what the screen area looks like now before tomorrow, with dimensions to give you an idea of the scale. Again, the display should be 127" x 72".
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$400K for the 146" diagonal version (4K).

So, I'm almost all set for Samsung's arrival tomorrow. Just gotta clean up a few things. Luckily when I built the theater, the contractor installed a 3/4" blue tube conduit from my source rack to the right lower speaker area. I used that to pull a two pair XLR cable to drive the two subwoofers, and for the Samsung, a shielded cat 6 cable and two fiber cables. I stupidly didn't not use lubricant when I first tried to do the pull and I broke the strain relief pulling harness. So out to home depot I went and bought electrician's lubricant, and the second time it went very smoothly (if a bit messy). I knew better, I was just stupid. Here's hoping I didn't damage the fiber optic cables in that mess, but I do have a couple of spares that I'd rather not have to repull if worse comes to worse.

Again, luckily, during the initial install, the electricians had pulled a couple of extra 12 gauge circuits to the right bottom speaker area which I was able to repurpose to provide the 240V/20A circuit for the display.

Here's what the screen area looks like now before tomorrow, with dimensions to give you an idea of the scale. Again, the display should be 127" x 72".
That looks like a nearly perfect fit for the space!

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I couldn't find any reasonable price estimate. Anyone have any ballpark figures? I would be interested in around the same size of ~135" diagonal 4k 120hz. I would imagine this early we are looking at close to 6 figures? Any relative price info would be great to know. Thanks and can't wait!

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For the Wall professional; Retail is ~$25K per module and you need 16 modules (for 4K resolution) + frame + processor so figure $425K+

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$400K for the 146" diagonal version (4K).

So, I'm almost all set for Samsung's arrival tomorrow. Just gotta clean up a few things. Luckily when I built the theater, the contractor installed a 3/4" blue tube conduit from my source rack to the right lower speaker area. I used that to pull a two pair XLR cable to drive the two subwoofers, and for the Samsung, a shielded cat 6 cable and two fiber cables. I stupidly didn't not use lubricant when I first tried to do the pull and I broke the strain relief pulling harness. So out to home depot I went and bought electrician's lubricant, and the second time it went very smoothly (if a bit messy). I knew better, I was just stupid. Here's hoping I didn't damage the fiber optic cables in that mess, but I do have a couple of spares that I'd rather not have to repull if worse comes to worse.

Again, luckily, during the initial install, the electricians had pulled a couple of extra 12 gauge circuits to the right bottom speaker area which I was able to repurpose to provide the 240V/20A circuit for the display.

Here's what the screen area looks like now before tomorrow, with dimensions to give you an idea of the scale. Again, the display should be 127" x 72".
Looks fantastic!

What speakers are you using? Did Samsung help in designing the top + bottom center configuration.

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For the Wall professional; Retail is ~$25K per module and you need 16 modules (for 4K resolution) + frame + processor so figure $425K+



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Expensive but reasonable for the tech. I would imagine install is above what the geek squad is capable of. Such uncharted territory I'm very excited to see how this plays out.

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So, I'm almost all set for Samsung's arrival tomorrow. Just gotta clean up a few things. Luckily when I built the theater, the contractor installed a 3/4" blue tube conduit from my source rack to the right lower speaker area. I used that to pull a two pair XLR cable to drive the two subwoofers, and for the Samsung, a shielded cat 6 cable and two fiber cables. I stupidly didn't not use lubricant when I first tried to do the pull and I broke the strain relief pulling harness. So out to home depot I went and bought electrician's lubricant, and the second time it went very smoothly (if a bit messy). I knew better, I was just stupid. Here's hoping I didn't damage the fiber optic cables in that mess, but I do have a couple of spares that I'd rather not have to repull if worse comes to worse.



Again, luckily, during the initial install, the electricians had pulled a couple of extra 12 gauge circuits to the right bottom speaker area which I was able to repurpose to provide the 240V/20A circuit for the display.



Here's what the screen area looks like now before tomorrow, with dimensions to give you an idea of the scale. Again, the display should be 127" x 72".
Looks like it is going to be unbelievable. Very excited to see how it comes out

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$400K for the 146" diagonal version (4K).


Again, luckily, during the initial install, the electricians had pulled a couple of extra 12 gauge circuits to the right bottom speaker area which I was able to repurpose to provide the 240V/20A circuit for the display.

Here's what the screen area looks like now before tomorrow, with dimensions to give you an idea of the scale. Again, the display should be 127" x 72".
Nice tid bits coming out from the post...
They are using a fibre optic cable - is it like a one connect box of a Qled ?
And 240 volts power supply.
Very exciting ...... I would not worry about reflections etc in your gorgeous theater.
And very eager to know how awesome 3D will look.
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$400K for the 146" diagonal version (4K).



So, I'm almost all set for Samsung's arrival tomorrow. Just gotta clean up a few things. Luckily when I built the theater, the contractor installed a 3/4" blue tube conduit from my source rack to the right lower speaker area. I used that to pull a two pair XLR cable to drive the two subwoofers, and for the Samsung, a shielded cat 6 cable and two fiber cables. I stupidly didn't not use lubricant when I first tried to do the pull and I broke the strain relief pulling harness. So out to home depot I went and bought electrician's lubricant, and the second time it went very smoothly (if a bit messy). I knew better, I was just stupid. Here's hoping I didn't damage the fiber optic cables in that mess, but I do have a couple of spares that I'd rather not have to repull if worse comes to worse.



Again, luckily, during the initial install, the electricians had pulled a couple of extra 12 gauge circuits to the right bottom speaker area which I was able to repurpose to provide the 240V/20A circuit for the display.



Here's what the screen area looks like now before tomorrow, with dimensions to give you an idea of the scale. Again, the display should be 127" x 72".
How recessed will the screen be in the stage area?

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What speakers are you using? Did Samsung help in designing the top + bottom center configuration.
Dunlavy. I think they ceased production a while ago. Remember this theater was originally built in 2003 or so. For the front channel, we had another oops moment when we realized we had left ourselves about 6" of depth for the speakers. So Dunlavy manufactured a custom enclosure for us that was only 6" deep but trapezoid shape as you can kind of tell in this picture. Note that we had to chip out some concrete behind the speaker terminals for the speaker wires.
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Expensive but reasonable for the tech. I would imagine install is above what the geek squad is capable of. Such uncharted territory I'm very excited to see how this plays out.

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It is currently beyond the abilities of any integrator. Samsung themselves are installing it. My integrator is coming over just to watch and learn.
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Nice tid bits coming out from the post...
They are using a fibre optic cable - is it like a one connect box of a Qled ?
And 240 volts power supply.
Very exciting ...... I would not worry about reflections etc in your gorgeous theater.
And very eager to know how awesome 3D will look.
I got lots of tidbits! I believe the fiber technology is similar if not identical to a One Connect box. All I know is that the fiber is multimode (the kind used in data centers) with LC/UPC connectors. And good thing too since my source rack (where I am putting the Samsung Media Box) is about 70' away via conduit to the display panels. So good for Samsung to use technologies that can easily run large distances.

The panels themselves have universal power supplies, so they can accept 120V or 240V (as almost anything electronic does these days). But you would need two 120V circuits if you fed it 120V, so I opted for a single 20A/240V circuit. Each 4 panel column needs a C13 plug, so I bought four C13/NEMA 6-20 power cables of varying lengths to plug into a duplex receptacle that has four NEMA 6-20 receptacles.
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How recessed will the screen be in the stage area?
At most 6" from the concrete wall since the curtains drop down at about 7" from the wall. That's plenty of space for these panels.

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$400K for the 146" diagonal version (4K).

So, I'm almost all set for Samsung's arrival tomorrow. Just gotta clean up a few things. Luckily when I built the theater, the contractor installed a 3/4" blue tube conduit from my source rack to the right lower speaker area. I used that to pull a two pair XLR cable to drive the two subwoofers, and for the Samsung, a shielded cat 6 cable and two fiber cables. I stupidly didn't use lubricant when I first tried to do the pull and I broke the strain relief pulling harness. So out to home depot I went and bought electrician's lubricant, and the second time it went very smoothly (if a bit messy). I knew better, I was just stupid. Here's hoping I didn't damage the fiber optic cables in that mess, but I do have a couple of spares that I'd rather not have to repull if worse comes to worse.

Again, luckily, during the initial install, the electricians had pulled a couple of extra 12 gauge circuits to the right bottom speaker area which I was able to repurpose to provide the 240V/20A circuit for the display.

Here's what the screen area looks like now before tomorrow, with dimensions to give you an idea of the scale. Again, the display should be 127" x 72".

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This is probably what the Fox Theater looked like when it was brand new. Easily the most ornate (home) theater I ever seen. I can't imagine what viewing some great HDR material will look like.


Congrats. That is quite a room!!


Curious? What is the estimated life of one of those panels?
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