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An interesting bit of info: MP-60 19 lbs vs the MX170 30 lbs.
That is probably a stouter power supply and just a heavier case material build out.

I’ve seen the inside of 25+ year old amps and the weight was the case. The case is often the single most costly component.

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What is the MSRP?

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That is probably a stouter power supply and just a heavier case material build out.

I’ve seen the inside of 25+ year old amps and the weight was the case. The case is often the single most costly component.
Yes, a good part of it is the glass front, and the more robust case. Also the analog stage adds weight as well. Are there other factors, possibly. Hoping one of the reasons is a better power supply, better isolation/shielding etc... Also of note the 170 comes down 1 lb from the 160. Possibly reduced silicon size as mentioned cooler running/higher efficiency.

MX170 msrp $15,500
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Yes, a good part of it is the glass front, and the more robust case. Also the analog stage adds weight as well. Are there other factors, possibly. Hoping one of the reasons is a better power supply, better isolation/shielding etc... Also of note the 170 comes down 1 lb from the 160. Possibly reduced silicon size as mentioned cooler running/higher efficiency.

MX170 msrp $15,500
Superior components ie caps, circuit board, etc. You see the older MX processors still working well. Lyngdorf is sort of still unproven longevity wise.
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Superior components ie caps, circuit board, etc. You see the older MX processors still working well. Lyngdorf is sort of still unproven longevity wise.
Not sure about the new Mac pre pros but I’m still using a McIntosh mx135, that was the flagship 15 years ago and is built like a brick sh!!t house my unit works flawlessly and sounds superior to almost every modern pre pro I’ve tested especially with music. Just doesn’t have the newest formats. At the the time Dolby laboratories used 2 MX 135s for their in house testing.
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No AirPlay2 support?
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The MX123 has it.
That’s disappointing. Why can’t they just bundle this basic feature into their flagship processor?
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That’s disappointing. Why can’t they just bundle this basic feature into their flagship processor?
I’m sure they can bundle...

https://www.mcintoshlabs.com/product...treamers/MB100

But still no Airplay2 support.

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That’s disappointing. Why can’t they just bundle this basic feature into their flagship processor?

I can understand the desire to have it integrated, but isn't the solution simply an Apple TV that you probably already own?


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I use both Sonos and AppleTV. I find the Sonos is best as syncing between multiple room. But the ease of AppleTV is cool too.

He was asking about Airplay 2 functionality.


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I can understand the desire to have it integrated, but isn't the solution simply an Apple TV that you probably already own?


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Yes, I have a few Apple TV’s, but I’d prefer for the AirPlay 2 feature to be built in to the processor. Why have an extra external source if you don’t need it?
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Some additional info on the MX170, as it spells out some of the differences between the 160 and 170.

https://www.audiovisualsolutionsgrou...processor.html


I find this sentence of particular interest which originates from McIntosh:

“The MX170 takes advantage of the latest advancements in processing power to run cooler while performing better than any previous McIntosh home theater processor.”

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If Lyngdorf successfully implements DTS:X Pro into the the MP-60 then its only logical that the 170 will then get it. Both processors have the same base platform and very advanced silicon/processors. Since Lyngdorf has already announced it’s coming, then the inference that can be drawn is obvious.
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MX170 msrp $15,500
So this is coming in at $2,000 - $2,500 above the Lyndorf MP60 (I've heard and seen MSRP of $13,000 and $13,500).

What is in the M170 that makes up that difference?

Now the McIntosh look and feel are very important to buyers but often more times than not you won't see the processor.

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Mike, Believe it or not “the look” means a great deal to those that buy McIntosh.

I know because I was a dealer for a short period. They did like my aggressive pricing structure. But they liked those frequent five digit orders. Oh well

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Maybe you would better served initially in speaking to an acoustic expert regarding room treatments and speaker placement options.

RC systems enhance performance no doubt but the can't 100% fix structural challenges.

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I have a very long narrow man cave that needs more than 16 channels in theory.

That depends more on how many rows of seating you have than the room length.
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Yes, I have a few Apple TV’s, but I’d prefer for the AirPlay 2 feature to be built in to the processor. Why have an extra external source if you don’t need it?

This is my point. If you already have the ATV connected to the preamp, then you already have this capability.


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Room Perfect really excels in an untreated (asymmetrical) room like shown above. The main theater seating is fairly confined and localized. The MX170 should do very well with its 16 total channel capability, as such you certainly don’t need any more channels what the 170 offers. I would focus on the envelope of sound that favors the theater seating more so and be less concerned with the sound way back at the rear of the room by the pool table.
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OK so there's no way to get the volume balance between speakers right throughout the room, but if the listeners are congregated in one area and your processor allows you could have different presets with levels set appropriately.

It would also help to have arrays of speakers like theaters.

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This is my point. If you already have the ATV connected to the preamp, then you already have this capability.


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Not exactly, you're out of luck if you want to listen to music using Airplay 2 and also have sports/tv/movies playing in the background. I use the built-in streamer with Airplay almost every day.

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Not exactly, you're out of luck if you want to listen to music using Airplay 2 and also have sports/tv/movies playing in the background. I use the built-in streamer with Airplay almost every day.
Bluetooth is your friend?


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Couldn't you run Zone2 and/or Zone3 video to your TV setting them on different inputs, then run ATV on HDMI main and still have your sports etc running in the background on Zone2/3 on your TV? Just a thought.
No, Zone 2(B) either outputs Zone 1 or the built-in streamer.

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So I was up all night stressed about this purchase and kind of zonked out from exhaustion, but I’ve decided to buy nothing at this time or in the far future. After printing out the specs and stying them against the Lyngdorf, Trinnov and and even my current MX122, I simply can’t convince myself to buy anything at all. The Trinnov and Storm Audio are just to far priced out of my league. And until I see the exact numbers listed for DTS:X Pro, Aura 13.1 and even at lease HDCP 2.3 of HDMI 2.1, I simply can’t justify buying all and only hope that McIntosh will push upgrades in a timely manner. so at this time I’m thinking of waiting at least 5 or more years for the MX180 to be released. in the meantime I’m debating selling everting I have and start from scratch if/when I buy a new system in 5 or 10 years. I’ll let you all know if I’m to sell my gear or not.gear. In the meantime I still will be watching the boards for any changes changes you guys post on here. I guess there’s nothing to say is that I hope for reading some really cool posts you all make.

This movie comes to mind. Round and round we go.

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I've been reading on several other forums that DTS:X Pro hasn't even been released. Though I read one comment on the MP-60 forum that their units are being released with the upgrade. But on other forums I read it might not even be released until sometime in 2020. Has anyone read the same confusing threads or can add some clarity to this. I still want to get the MX170, my spouse wants to save $2000 and get the Lyngdorf, and part of me wants to bite the bullet and just get a Trinnov (which from what I'm reading still hasn't had the upgrade pushed to them yet). HELP!!! I have a credit card burning a hole in my wallet and I want a new toy LOL.
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Atmos Question

OK, I've narrowed it down to either the MP-60 or the MX170, but that's now what I would like to ask. Has anyone watched the new Lion King on UHD yet? I just got done watching some key scenes (what I thought were cool in the original movie) and even on my MX122 that I currently have the soundtrack is awesome! However, I kept watching the meters on my "Atmos" amp, which is an MC8207 and noticed very little registering in the front channel meters. I'm wondering a couple of things - 1. Am I nitpicking? 2. Is it because I'm running front height instead of top front? or 3. It's just the way Disney made the movie. I read the manual for the 170 and it did note that it will try to match the output to the speakers used. I'm wondering if my MX122 just isn't capable of remapping the Atmos channels properly and swapping it out with the 170 will fix things. I did notice however the top middle speakers really got a workout, especially on the final battle scene. I would just like to hear your thoughts on this.

Just an FYI - I'm setup for a 7.4.7 system with 2 front and 2 rear subs split off of sub1 and sub2. Top channels are Front Height, Top Middle, VOG, Rear Height. Unfortunately I can't do top front and top rear due to ductwork in the ceiling that would have to be moved. I'm hoping either the MP60 or the MX170 (which I hope to purchase something tomorrow or this weekend) will fix my fears. Again, your thoughts are appreciated.
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OK, I've narrowed it down to either the MP-60 or the MX170, but that's now what I would like to ask. Has anyone watched the new Lion King on UHD yet? I just got done watching some key scenes (what I thought were cool in the original movie) and even on my MX122 that I currently have the soundtrack is awesome! However, I kept watching the meters on my "Atmos" amp, which is an MC8207 and noticed very little registering in the front channel meters. I'm wondering a couple of things - 1. Am I nitpicking? 2. Is it because I'm running front height instead of top front? or 3. It's just the way Disney made the movie. I read the manual for the 170 and it did note that it will try to match the output to the speakers used. I'm wondering if my MX122 just isn't capable of remapping the Atmos channels properly and swapping it out with the 170 will fix things. I did notice however the top middle speakers really got a workout, especially on the final battle scene. I would just like to hear your thoughts on this.

Just an FYI - I'm setup for a 7.4.7 system with 2 front and 2 rear subs split off of sub1 and sub2. Top channels are Front Height, Top Middle, VOG, Rear Height. Unfortunately I can't do top front and top rear due to ductwork in the ceiling that would have to be moved. I'm hoping either the MP60 or the MX170 (which I hope to purchase something tomorrow or this weekend) will fix my fears. Again, your thoughts are appreciated.
I think the majority of us here are somewhat baffled since you said you were either going to wait 5 to 10 years or sell all your gear. Now shortly after you’re back trying to decide on a new processor? Don’t get me wrong I think it’s great not waiting 5 to 10 years from now but your posts are very confusing. Questions about the 170 will be answered very soon. Hopefully we will all have better clarity soon which will help others and possibly you make some decisions easier.

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I think the majority of us here are somewhat baffled since you said you were either going to wait 5 to 10 years or sell all your gear. Now shortly after you’re back trying to decide on a new processor? Don’t get me wrong I think it’s great not waiting 5 to 10 years from now but your posts are very confusing. Questions about the 170 will be answered very soon. Hopefully we will all have better clarity soon which will help others and possibly you make some decisions easier.

My apologies. Sometimes my Tourette's takes over my emotions and I over react. One of the reasons I had to medically retire from my job. Again I'm so very sorry. This is such a big purchase for me so I'm very nervous. However, I know RoomPerfect first hand as I have an MEN220 for the HiFi part of my system. I think either the Lyngdorf of the MX170 will work fine for me. I'm going to a couple of dealers to see who can get my a better deal, but I have a feeling that I'll buy it at BestBuy as I have more credit there, not to mention 24 months zero interest LOL.
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Not sure if Magnolia can wheel and deal like a dealer. However they should have enough buying power to do so.

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Not sure if Magnolia can wheel and deal like a dealer. However they should have enough buying power to do so.
Magnolia isn't my first choice. I usually go to either IQ Home Entertainment (which used to be an Experience Center, now they're just a dealer) or Magnolia. Both have treated me well in the past and IQ has always given me a good price. It comes down to financing. I can use 24 month zero interest at Magnolia (and no, they don't deal, price is what it is), but if IQ can give me a good price I'll just have to see how I want to finance it. Luckily my spouse is paying for part of it for my early Christmas present so I just have to see. I'm hoping to order it some time this weekend.

If you're wondering what I'm going to do with my 122, it's going to replace the MX121 in my living room so I can have 4k up there. I don't know what I'm going to do with the 121 yet. I may sell it, or keep it as a backup if/when I ever need to send one of the other 2 processors in for service.
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