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Retailer markups on AV products are high of course, the margin on AV products is typically 40-50% on components and even more on audiophile cabling!



Do sure when Music Direct, Best Buy, PS Audio, etc etc have a returned product, they can sell as open box or used and still make a "profit", just not as much a "profit"! What else is new? Most everyone on this forum well understands that! Glad you do, too!
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Well I guess the multi-channel analog inputs will come in handy after all [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
I don't think there is analog bypass in MX170 (like MX160)- you are better off doing DSD-PCM conversion and use digital in to the MX170 than analog in and going thru additional A to D to A conversion again. You could compare and find out [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
I hadn’t thought of that as I’d always heard converting DSD to PCM lost a lot of the benefit of DSD, but testing that theory sounds like a plan!
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I will be adding it to the first post but I have a guide with complete list of RS232 codes.

For IR remote control, there is a section at the bottom of the RS232 document discussing this.

In addition, I’m attaching the codes for the HR085 that lists the ‘long hex strings’ like used for Pronto type remote controls.

When using this document, pay attention to the xxH hex codes, and not the function names, as the (Input) names change a lot depending on the product they’re used in.

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My URC programmer is trying to reprogram my remote(URC890) to work with the MX170. He is unable to get the source inputs to work with a direct input. No MX170 is listed in the URC datebase and the 160 codes don't seem to work. The Hex codes may work but we don't have them.
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My URC programmer is trying to reprogram my remote(URC890) to work with the MX170. He is unable to get the source inputs to work with a direct input. No MX170 is listed in the URC datebase and the 160 codes don't seem to work. The Hex codes may work but we don't have them.


When you set up your sources on your unit, did you assign them a IR label (TV, VCR, CD etc) ?

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When you set up your sources on your unit, did you assign them a IR label (TV, VCR, CD etc) ?


Not sure what IR command to assign to each input. Only choics available are TV, Sat, Server.



Talked to McIntosh and discovered my browser had an issure displaying the IR labels, I could only see 3 options. Switched to a different browser and now we can see them all. My programmer still does not have it working but thanks for the advice.

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Not sure what IR command to assign to each input. Only choics available are TV, Sat, Server.



Talked to McIntosh and discovered my browser had an issure displaying the IR labels, I could only see 3 options. Switched to a different browser and now we can see them all. My programmer still does not have it working but thanks for the advice.


check our the pic I attached. You give each input a “IR name” in the source creation menu.

I set up my 160 and URC remote and direct inputs worked fine. The MX170 may be sofferrent

edit: sorry, don’t know why the pic attached sideways and cropped. Also noticed you got the issue fixed. Oh well, late to the party Inguess
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I know it’s been quiet around here the past few days but with Thanksgiving here and family coming in I am looking forward to some Movies and Football with the 170. Should be a fun few days...

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I know it’s been quiet around here the past few days but with Thanksgiving here and family coming in I am looking forward to some Movies and Football with the 170. Should be a fun few days...

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To those on the fence with upgrading to the 170...

Upgraded to the 170, did a substantial update to the Sony 5000 projector and got a new Nvidia Shield Pro 2019 at around the same time. All I can say is the synergy between the 170, the FW updated 5000 and the Shield Pro (as opposed to the 2017 model) is night and day. The higher bandwidth (18 gbps) and very late gen 18 gbps chipset in the 170 not only passes through a better picture, but a higher bandwidth stream from the new Shield. My WireWorld Silver Starlight 6 12 meter hdmi cable is still limited to 10.2 gbps cable, but I have vastly more colorspace/Hz options to choose from with the trio in place. The Auto colorspace switching between the three is finally working flawlessly. Far more user friendly now and makes my previous setup look broken in comparison. My hdmi cable (with its limitations) has never worked better, and as such, I will hold onto a bit longer as it’s limitations don’t seem as glaring now or problematic.

The 170 also runs significantly cooler now, which is great for the longevity of the unit. Clearly there is much improved, more powerful and efficient silicon under the hood. The sound of course is that great McIntosh sonic signature, but a bit better/more refined. No complaints at all. On top of all this, if you need additional discrete channel speaker output, then it’s a very nice and worthy upgrade. Well done McIntosh and Lyngdorf.
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I signed up for the Roon Labs 14 day trial period and like the interface. I have it set up through my Mac Mini with an optical out to the MX170. Anyone here using Roon with their MX170?


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To those on the fence with upgrading to the 170...

Upgraded to the 170, did a substantial update to the Sony 5000 projector and got a new Nvidia Shield Pro 2019 at around the same time. All I can say is the synergy between the 170, the FW updated 5000 and the Shield Pro (as opposed to the 2017 model) is night and day. The higher bandwidth (18 gbps) and very late gen 18 gbps chipset in the 170 not only passes through a better picture, but a higher bandwidth stream from the new Shield. My WireWorld Silver Starlight 6 12 meter hdmi cable is still limited to 10.2 gbps cable, but I have vastly more colorspace/Hz options to choose from with the trio in place. The Auto colorspace switching between the three is finally working flawlessly. Far more user friendly now and makes my previous setup look broken in comparison. My hdmi cable (with its limitations) has never worked better, and as such, I will hold onto a bit longer as it’s limitations don’t seem as glaring now or problematic.

The 170 also runs significantly cooler now, which is great for the longevity of the unit. Clearly there is much improved, more powerful and efficient silicon under the hood. The sound of course is that great McIntosh sonic signature, but a bit better/more refined. No complaints at all. On top of all this, if you need additional discrete channel speaker output, then it’s a very nice and worthy upgrade. Well done McIntosh and Lyngdorf.



Unfortunately in my world of HT, that's one of the reasons I put a line through from the start (even since the talk of HDMI board upgrades for the 160). Since getting a Lumagen, the idea of switching and passthrough with an AVP became totally outmoded and inferior in my projector HT setup.



In speaking to my dealer, after pricing up the MX170 and discovering as fully expected its totally absurd price point here in Aus, I was told he got the only MX170 shipped here and is going to use it in his best demo room. So at this stage there's still not enough in it for me to fork out $A19960 ($US13500) to do a trade -and that's 'mate's rates'. I've potentially got to reinstate(ie buy everything but a projector) a whole other HT(after a rebuilding the property) in about 10 months time from one that I took apart when I moved from my previous city property 3 years ago. So wouldn't make a lot of sense from that perspective either for me just quietly. I guess I'll have to look on from the sidelines with the MX170.
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Unfortunately in my world of HT, that's one of the reasons I put a line through from the start (even since the talk of HDMI board upgrades for the 160). Since getting a Lumagen, the idea of switching and passthrough with an AVP became totally outmoded and inferior in my projector HT setup.



In speaking to my dealer, after pricing up the MX170 and discovering as fully expected its totally absurd price point here in Aus, I was told he got the only MX170 shipped here and is going to use it in his best demo room. So at this stage there's still not enough in it for me to fork out $A19960 ($US13500) to do a trade -and that's 'mate's rates'. I've potentially got to reinstate(ie buy everything but a projector) a whole other HT(after a rebuilding the property) in about 10 months time from one that I took apart when I moved from my previous city property 3 years ago. So wouldn't make a lot of sense from that perspective either for me just quietly. I guess I'll have to look on from the sidelines with the MX170.

Wow, what is the local RRP?
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Hold on to your hat... It's a totally ridiculous $US21,600 ($A31,930), no thanks to the 'middlemen' distributors here, Synergy A/V.
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Hold on to your hat... It's a totally ridiculous $US21,600 ($A31,930), no thanks to the 'middlemen' distributors here, Synergy A/V.

Wow, that is eye-watering!!!


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'Rip-off Australia' never ceases to amaze me.

Yep. What really never ceases to amaze me in this day and age is that we still have the small scale 'middlemen' distributors who mop up the more esoteric and hi-end A/V brands here in Aus. I know some really good 'on the ball' larger scale, non-factory aligned distributors who are amazingly able to bring RRP's to what you'd nearly call 'globalised pricing' on brands they distribute. But sadly the 'middlemen' still exist and no amount of good friends at retail will help with their pricing. The McIntosh distributor here is the sole reason I self imported a near new new MX160 myself from the US for $A10K less than local retail at the time..
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I have a question on the MX170. Is anyone using a configuration with wides? Does the Dolby upmixer or Neural X upmixer make use of the wides? Thanks.
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I'm pretty much sold on the MX170 features except one aspect in regards to how it handles integrating 3x subs. I can compromise with the no OSD on volume, by having a dedicated macro setup to set at reference volume when the movie begins.

From what was confirmed here; configuring 3 subs would generally be done with two subs assigned as AUX for each L and R channel as XXL, and the third sub as dedicated LFE. The problem i see here is the LFE assigned sub would be the only one outputting the dedicated LFE content. Would you run it this way? Always thought it would be best have each sub output the LFE to smoothen out the in room frequency response. Is there a way to just have the AUX outputs mirror the LFE Channel?

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I signed up for the Roon Labs 14 day trial period and like the interface. I have it set up through my Mac Mini with an optical out to the MX170. Anyone here using Roon with their MX170?


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You might try a usb out from your Mac to the MX170. I’m using Audirvana but have that setup from my Mac mini to our MX160.... SJ
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You might try a usb out from your Mac to the MX170. I’m using Audirvana but have that setup from my Mac mini to our MX160.... SJ
Thanks for the reply. I may trial the Audirvana before I decide which to go with. I have been using BitPerfect but wanted to see what else was out there. What advantages would I have going with the USB vs. Optical?
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I'm pretty much sold on the MX170 features except one aspect in regards to how it handles integrating 3x subs. I can compromise with the no OSD on volume, by having a dedicated macro setup to set at reference volume when the movie begins.

From what was confirmed here; configuring 3 subs would generally be done with two subs assigned as AUX for each L and R channel as XXL, and the third sub as dedicated LFE. The problem i see here is the LFE assigned sub would be the only one outputting the dedicated LFE content. Would you run it this way? Always thought it would be best have each sub output the LFE to smoothen out the in room frequency response. Is there a way to just have the AUX outputs mirror the LFE Channel?
This is a great question. I am thinking of running 3 subs and would love to know the answer as well.
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As SJHT says, USB is a higher functionality interface that also supports for multichannel and DSD.
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This has been tested by many beta users, and has proven to fix many HDMI-HDCP issues. (And fixed other misc. issues.) HDMI syncing times between some components also proved faster. Definitely worth the few minutes it takes to update your 170.
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