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Need recommendation on projector

Hoping to get some recommendations for projector options to go into an existing home theater. Currently has a Runco VX-44d with lens slide with an approx. 25’ throw to a 156” diagonal 2.35:1 screen that has triggered drop down masking for 16:9.

The run i is a light canon but due to some ongoing issues it is necessary to replace it. Without stepping into the $40-$50k price range for Barco 4k or the Sony 5000es, are any of the lower end projectors capable of throwing this distance and screen size while maintaining decent light output?

Not really concerned with HDR or even 4k for that matter, but not looking to put in some old 1080p commercial unit.

Am I crazy in thinking that a JVC, or some of the lower tier Sony units can work in there?
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Is the 25' throw mandatory or optional? Is the screen acoustically transparent or no? What gain is the screen? Is the room fully light controlled?
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Please talk to some Sony dealers and get the street Price on Sony 5000. I think you will be happy with it for quite some time .
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Is the 25' throw mandatory or optional? Is the screen acoustically transparent or no? What gain is the screen? Is the room fully light controlled?
Yes, projector will need to be housed in the existing Runco box at the back of the room hence the 25’ throw. Yes it is an acoustically transparent stewart screen. I need to look into it to find the gain as it is 10+ yrs old. Fully light controlled room as well.

The owner is not interested in spending $50k+ with install, upgrades, etc. needed for the Sony 5000 though I know this will be a fantastic projector for the room.
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The JVC NX9 is spec’d at 2,200 lumens, so it might work. According to the projector central throw calculator, if the gain of the screen is 1.0, with that size screen from that distance you should get about 21fL, so that should probably work. Worst case, get a higher gain screen.
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What is the approximate budget for the projector?

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What is the approximate budget for the projector?

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I am trying to shoot for the best solution that will fit into a sub$25k range which should include install/programming and some minor hardware necessary (ie switching cables). This assumes minor effort needed to mount into the existing projector box.

What I am not sure of is if the perceived ‘light output’ will be comparable to this old Xenon VX-44d on something like the JVC NX9 mentioned above or a midrange Sony. Having trouble trying to find a dealer that has one and is willing to just do a temp demo in the room at that throw to compare.

We’ve seen a Barco, but the $45-$50k pricing all in wasn’t appetizing for the owner for the limited amount of use. Am I crazy to think that something in the $20k range will provide enough light? The room is light controlled, however the owner likes to keep some minimal ambient light in the room via cove lights/etc. so it isn’t pitch black.
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Barco new model Bragi Cinemascope ,LED RGB Light source ,2100 ansi lumens very close to your budget $30,000 . The Bragi CS is very nice projector and recommend for screen size up to 3.5 metre wide .
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Yes, projector will need to be housed in the existing Runco box at the back of the room hence the 25’ throw. Yes it is an acoustically transparent stewart screen. I need to look into it to find the gain as it is 10+ yrs old. Fully light controlled room as well.



The owner is not interested in spending $50k+ with install, upgrades, etc. needed for the Sony 5000 though I know this will be a fantastic projector for the room.


JVC RS4500 (aka Z1) !



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I am trying to shoot for the best solution that will fit into a sub$25k range which should include install/programming and some minor hardware necessary (ie switching cables). This assumes minor effort needed to mount into the existing projector box.

What I am not sure of is if the perceived ‘light output’ will be comparable to this old Xenon VX-44d on something like the JVC NX9 mentioned above or a midrange Sony. Having trouble trying to find a dealer that has one and is willing to just do a temp demo in the room at that throw to compare.

We’ve seen a Barco, but the $45-$50k pricing all in wasn’t appetizing for the owner for the limited amount of use. Am I crazy to think that something in the $20k range will provide enough light? The room is light controlled, however the owner likes to keep some minimal ambient light in the room via cove lights/etc. so it isn’t pitch black.
With his budget, I would go for a JVC RS4500 or RS3000 paired with DCR lens. If wanted to save some money, he could also go with Sony VW695 or RS2000 with DCR lens.
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I am trying to shoot for the best solution that will fit into a sub$25k range which should include install/programming and some minor hardware necessary (ie switching cables). This assumes minor effort needed to mount into the existing projector box.

What I am not sure of is if the perceived ‘light output’ will be comparable to this old Xenon VX-44d on something like the JVC NX9 mentioned above or a midrange Sony. Having trouble trying to find a dealer that has one and is willing to just do a temp demo in the room at that throw to compare.

We’ve seen a Barco, but the $45-$50k pricing all in wasn’t appetizing for the owner for the limited amount of use. Am I crazy to think that something in the $20k range will provide enough light? The room is light controlled, however the owner likes to keep some minimal ambient light in the room via cove lights/etc. so it isn’t pitch black.
I have a 26' throw you have a PM.

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Barco new model Bragi Cinemascope ,LED RGB Light source ,2100 ansi lumens very close to your budget $30,000 . The Bragi CS is very nice projector and recommend for screen size up to 3.5 metre wide .
Interesting choice. I am trying to figure out how to get lens options on this from This Barco site but I can't seem to find this Bragi model.

Also, can you suggest a good source for buying this? Does AVS sell Barcos?
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Interesting choice. I am trying to figure out how to get lens options on this from This Barco site but I can't seem to find this Bragi model.

Also, can you suggest a good source for buying this? Does AVS sell Barcos?
As this model designed for high end home cinema , so it much easier just go thru Barco Residential website you can find all details there https://www.barco.com/en/staticpages...sidential/home
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Barco Residential website you can find all details there https://www.barco.com/en/staticpages...sidential/home
I did.. and its page not found!
https://www.barco.com/en/product/bra...emascope#specs
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at 156" I would probably for a JVC D-ILA Z1. Should be like $35,000
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at 156" I would probably for a JVC D-ILA Z1. Should be like $35,000

Current list is less than $35K, and you can find B-Stock WAY less. Contact AV Sciences for specific pricing.
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Looks like a used Sony 5000 was just listed on classifieds for $25k.


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Great deal 163 hours the thing was never used essentially a new projector at those hours.

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Great deal 163 hours the thing was never used essentially a new projector at those hours.



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Agreed. Too late for me- just bought a new Sony that’s en route. Looks like owned by the gent who went with the Samsung Wall.


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Barco new model Bragi Cinemascope ,LED RGB Light source ,2100 ansi lumens very close to your budget $30,000 . The Bragi CS is very nice projector and recommend for screen size up to 3.5 metre wide .
Bragi 2100 lumens at rec. 709 really it was going to be 1600 max. If it gets 2000+ that would be good news, as it was rather dim, when first introduced at ISE, this February. The tiny DMD shows its limited on-off contrast even with Barco's skill pushing it up, still low.
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Interesting choice. I am trying to figure out how to get lens options on this from This Barco site but I can't seem to find this Bragi model.

Also, can you suggest a good source for buying this? Does AVS sell Barcos?
Not sure if AVS does, the previous owner of AVS Alan Gouger does. So does Peter Cineramax, and I am sure a number of others.

The FS 40, that was the basis for the Bragi, uses FLD+ en FLDX lenses: https://www.barco.com/nl/search?q=fldx.
https://www.barco.com/services/websi...2-e180a1fff9de.
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Not sure if AVS does, the previous owner of AVS Alan Gouger does. So does Peter Cineramax, and I am sure a number of others.

The FS 40, that was the basis for the Bragi, uses FLD+ en FLDX lenses: https://www.barco.com/nl/search?q=fldx.
https://www.barco.com/services/websi...2-e180a1fff9de.
For your information Bragi was differ from FS 40 in term of image quality as it designed for high end residential not for commercial like the FS40 . If you might have any question then contact Barco Residential for correct information
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Bragi 2100 lumens at rec. 709 really it was going to be 1600 max. If it gets 2000+ that would be good news, as it was rather dim, when first introduced at ISE, this February. The tiny DMD shows its limited on-off contrast even with Barco's skill pushing it up, still low.
We use the BRAGI Cinemascope in many client home cinema and never have issue on brightness or contrast . The 0.9 inch DMD DLP Native cinemascope is perfect for current movies content that almost done in cinemascope , so you don't need anamorphic lens . The life span of DLP technology is last long than other technologies for sure
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For your information Bragi was differ from FS 40 in term of image quality as it designed for high end residential not for commercial like the FS40 . If you might have any question then contact Barco Residential for correct information
Same platform received some additional engineering.

All my info came directly from Barco, in writing and from the product managers responsible for the FS40 and another responsible for the Bragi.

So it uses different lenses?

Would need to go and look it up, but initially it was using the smaller DMD, from memory even the 0.47" DMD.
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Same platform received some additional engineering.

All my info came directly from Barco, in writing and from the product managers responsible for the FS40 and another responsible for the Bragi.

So it uses different lenses?

Would need to go and look it up, but initially it was using the smaller DMD, from memory even the 0.47" DMD.
Barco Residential was separate products & team support for High end residential home cinema market and all products features much differ from Barco ( commercial ) . Please contact Barco Residential for more information update.
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Barco Residential was separate products & team support for High end residential home cinema market and all products features much differ from Barco ( commercial ) . Please contact Barco Residential for more information update.
Tim and his right hand man the product manager for the Bragi you mean? Or has there been a personell change they didn't tell me about?
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I am trying to shoot for the best solution that will fit into a sub$25k range which should include install/programming and some minor hardware necessary (ie switching cables). This assumes minor effort needed to mount into the existing projector box.

What I am not sure of is if the perceived ‘light output’ will be comparable to this old Xenon VX-44d on something like the JVC NX9 mentioned above or a midrange Sony. Having trouble trying to find a dealer that has one and is willing to just do a temp demo in the room at that throw to compare.

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what about Sim2 Nero4S

should be around 30K
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