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I had spoken to him via phone last year about it, and I received a generalized quote at the time. The figures I received yesterday were higher than what had been anticipated. Not that I could have afforded it, had it been the original price discussed via phone. Oh, to be rich!
So Wolfgang was right afterall; 'much more than even the Thor'?
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So Wolfgang was right afterall; 'much more than even the Thor'?
The Thor price is unknown to me, but I would have to think so. Even the 9,000 lumens version is pricey.

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The Thor price is unknown to me, but I would have to think so. Even the 9,000 lumens version is pricey.
The Thor listed at $349,999. With Barco there is some margin. So, I presume Wolfgang got a better price than that. Him being the first customer, Barco upgrading the projector as the re-engineered parts became available.

I warned you guys manufacturers will market this as a privilege, accordingly charge a premium;-).
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The Thor listed at $349,999. With Barco there is some margin. So, I presume Wolfgang got a better price than that. Him being the first customer, Barco upgrading the projector as the re-engineered parts became available.

I warned you guys manufacturers will market this as a privilege, accordingly charge a premium;-).
The 26,000 lumens Christe Eclipse retails for higher than the Thor it seems, but the first customers can take advantage of early bird pricing. If i had the funds, based on the pricing structure, I would be targeting the 26,000 lumens version. There isnt a massive price difference between the 9,000 lumens and 26,000 lumens versions, and if you can take advantage of early bird pricing, you essentially get 17,000 more lumens at just $3.12/lumen.

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For those planning on attending my GTG, or for those on the fence, I am excited to have discovered some great native dts-x content in foreign films to demo on 3/21!

I posted about the films in the Trinnov thread, and I am on the hunt for more as my GTG approaches.

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A friend of mine suggested that I watch some foreign title DTS-X movies, in order to see if titles would play beyond 7.1.4 natively. I am pleased to have found that several titles play 9.1.4, including:

Bluebeard (2017)
God of War (2017)
Kung Fu Yoga (2017)
Once Upon A Time (2017)
The Thousand Faces of Dunjia (2017)

Each of these above films don't seem to use wides, ch or oh natively, but they at least take advantage of Ls and Rs.

Then, I put in Operation: Red Sea (2018). This is the first full motion picture that I have found that uses every dts-x pro speaker natively!! The scene at 5:45 to 6:30 is truly epic!!

I then tested out Wolf Warrior 2 (2017), and it is for the most part 9.1.4 like most of the others, except for at the 1:31:11 mark, when it jumps to 9.1.8 and engages Ltf, Rtf, oh and ch for a split second.

Next I tried out Ip Man 3, and there are multiple scenes that go beyond 9.1.4. Great stuff!!!!!!

Thanks to @SirMaster for encouraging me to check out foreign films. More films to review yet
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For those planning on attending my GTG, or for those on the fence, I am excited to have discovered some great native dts-x content in foreign films to demo on 3/21!

I posted about the films in the Trinnov thread, and I am on the hunt for more as my GTG approaches.
That's a good list, some Asian movies do have really good audio. a few that i can remember that might help:

Shadow 2018 (DTS:X/Atmos)
The Wandering Earth 2019 (Atmos)
The Battleship Island 2017 (Dolby TrueHD)
Along with the gods 2017 (DTS-HD)
The Wandering Earth 2019

Not sure how many channels they would support, but at least they are good movies to start with.
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That's a good list, some Asian movies do have really good audio. a few that i can remember that might help:

Shadow 2018 (DTS:X/Atmos)
The Wandering Earth 2019 (Atmos)
The Battleship Island 2017 (Dolby TrueHD)
Along with the gods 2017 (DTS-HD)
The Wandering Earth 2019

Not sure how many channels they would support, but at least they are good movies to start with.
Thanks for the suggestions. I am on the hunt for movies that utilize height channels natively to great effect, beyond 7.1.4. This essentially limits my search to DTS-X and Dolby Atmos titles (i.e. excluding DTS-HD and True HD tracks).

The titles that I mentioned above all originated from 1 studio, which specifically seemed to mix movies in DTS-X beyond the typical 7.1.4 that most current American films utilize. Some titles go to 9.1.4, but that isn't what I am after. Really, I am hoping to find films that take advantage of the center height channels in DTS-X pro, which are known as Ch and Oh.

Ip Man 3 came out way back in 2015, and yet the DTS-X track in the film seems far advanced from any other DTS-X track that I have heard to date. Wolf Warrior 2 will utilize Ch and Oh in DTS-X Pro for literally 1 second during a helicopter crash. Operation Red Sea will utilize Ch and Oh sporadically during a 45 segment. Ip Man 3 utilizes Ch and Oh several times throughout the film. Hopefully, more studios will follow the path of Well Go USA in the future, and go beyond, taking full advantage of what DTS-X has to offer.

Aside from the identified movies from Well Go USA, the only other audio track that I have found that takes advantage of Ch or Oh well is a documentary called Turtle Odyssey. That is an Imax Enhanced title about a Turtle surviving to adulthood and returning to where it was hatched.

I have yet to watch The Wandering Earth, but I did watch the Atmos track of Shadow. Shadow was a very beautiful film, but I found the Atmos track to not really utilize height channels as much as I would like. You get a little bit of rain, but not much else. Perhaps the DTS-X track will take better advantage of the heights, but I suspect this likely won't be the case.

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Thanks Steve! Here are some photos of the DIY screen, and a peek at what lies behind the screen. There are 6 subs behind the mains, and the other 6 are now placed in the rear of the theater. The screen is wall-to-wall, and swings up to the ceiling. Very useful for when I need to get behind the screen.
You need some more "woofage" !! NOT.

Too bad I don't live near you. That would be a very fun demo. By the way, have you compared (via a different preset) a 7.x.4 configuration to your bazillion.x trillion configuration? And if so, what specific differences have you noted? I'm moving from 9.x.6 to 11.x.10 (where x=8 in both cases) and am curious what I might hear as an improvement.
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I have listened to hard capped atmos tracks, which only extend to 7.1.4. I tend to localize the ceiling sound coming from the front tops/heights in those scenarios. My feeling that going from 7.1.4 to 9.1.6 is a big jump in immersiveness, given the right content. Having speakers to the left and right of the MLP is pretty fantastic.

Before purchasing my JBL's, my former speaker manufacturer never came out with the brackets that I needed in order to properly get speakers set up on the ceiling. So, for years I had used processors without being able to listen to tops as intended. When i upgraded to JBL's, I literally jumped from having 0 speakers/tops on the ceiling to 12!

I feel that having 10 tops in the ceiling for atmos helps with making my 2nd row of seats able to enjoy atmos tracks better. That being said, those 2nd row of seats really only see action when I host a GTG.

With the release of DTS-X pro, I am now fully able to take advantage of ch and oh. I had them installed last year, and it felt like a very long wait to be able to use them. Perhaps it is the next new shiny thing, but for me, having ch and oh for DTS-X currently brings me the most joy in my theater space! Plus, I enjoy the hunting process to find content that takes advantage of it.
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[quote=pennynike1;59272190] @audioguy

I have listened to hard capped atmos tracks, which only extend to 7.1.4. I tend to localize the ceiling sound coming from the front tops/heights in those scenarios. My feeling that going from 7.1.4 to 9.1.6 is a big jump in immersiveness, given the right content.[quote}


Your experience does not match mine. I went from 7.x.4 to 9.x.6 and with few exceptions, heard close to zero difference. And the differences I heard were not from the addition of Wides, but rather top middles.


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Before purchasing my JBL's, my former speaker manufacturer never came out with the brackets that I needed in order to properly get speakers set up on the ceiling. So, for years I had used processors without being able to listen to tops as intended. When i upgraded to JBL's, I literally jumped from having 0 speakers/tops on the ceiling to 12!

Set up a preset as a 7.x.4 and another using all 12 of your top speakers and do some comparisons/listening (when you run out of things to do). I would be interested in your response.
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I think your experience can be very dependent on which content you are listening to. I have spent an agonizing amount of time listening to atmos tracks with only the height channels on (i.e. no mains or surrounds). I also have strived to locate films that utilize wides. I then identify time stamps for demo after verifying things sound epic with all speakers engaged.

I can show you some of this stuff, should you wish to make the trip to Wisconsin. It will be the culmination of countless hours of hard work
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Hi Pennynike1,
The gathering sounds like a good time. I went to SOWK’s yesterday and he have me a heads up about this thread. I am in the Gurnee, IL area. I have been to a Copley places in Chicagoland area, but I have not checked out the Wisconsin group. Milwaukee and south is easy for me to get to.
I will be posting an intro post later also. I would be interested in attending the GTG and meeting everyone.
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Hi Pennynike1,
The gathering sounds like a good time. I went to SOWK’s yesterday and he have me a heads up about this thread. I am in the Gurnee, IL area. I have been to a Copley places in Chicagoland area, but I have not checked out the Wisconsin group. Milwaukee and south is easy for me to get to.
I will be posting an intro post later also. I would be interested in attending the GTG and meeting everyone.
Regards,
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Tony is good people, and his blacked-out theater is definitely inspiring, isn't it?

You are most welcome to attend on 3/21, Joe!
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Fine cuisine

Since food really seems to be a major driving force for people to attend GTG's, I have decided to only offer the finest cuisine at my upcoming gtg on 3/21.

I am ultra inspired by the movie, Kingsman!

I fully expect a new line of rabid listeners of my system after this crucial announcement!
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I am debating on purchasing another JVC Nx9 for the gtg, vs the Nx5. This would be my third NX9, or my 1st NX5. I had owned an RS1000 for a bit, and it was a very solid performer.

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I am debating on purchasing another JVC Nx9 for the gtg, vs the Nx5. This would be my third NX9, or my 1st NX5. I had owned an RS1000 for a bit, and it was a very solid performer.
I'm sure the NX5 will look great at the GTG.....
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I am debating on purchasing another JVC Nx9 for the gtg, vs the Nx5. This would be my third NX9, or my 1st NX5. I had owned an RS1000 for a bit, and it was a very solid performer.

This begs the question: Why do you keep buying and selling NX9s?
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This begs the question: Why do you keep buying and selling NX9s?
Good question. The Nx9 is one heck of a projector. Finances are tight with all of my home theater purchases, so I end up having to sell them. Trying to pay for a wedding approaching in May.

Also, as great as the NX9 is, I also can't help wanting higher lumens on my 13.33 foot screen. The Z1 appeals for that purpose, but my feeling is that JVC has to be planning on a Z1 replacement in the near future.

When I purchased my first nx9, I was tone mapping with the Oppo 203, and not getting the best results. Madvr was still a WIP, so I sold the nx9 and tried out the benq lk970. The 970 had the brightness in spades, but I was spoiled by the wonderful black floor and contrast of the nx9.

I graduated from the benq to the JVC RS1000 and I was very impressed. My purchase of my 2nd nx9 came so i could compare and contrast the RS1000 and NX9. I ended up selling my RS1000 so I could attempt to keep the nx9, but alas, finances dictated selling it off to pay the bills.

The nx9 is not perfect, but it is the finest bulb-based 4k projector of which I am aware. Hence, why I consider going after a 3rd.

That being said, the nx5 is an excellent projector, and it performed extremely well without use of the iris.

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I should be taking delivery of my new NX5 and the Revels this week. GTG is fast approaching!
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32 Channel Atmos and DTS X Pro is going to be epic.

If that turns out to be true, then my soon-to-be 21 channel Atmos and DTS:X Pro system should be 65% epic - and that would be more than good enough for me.
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1 final call before the scheduled GTG on 3/21. If you have not already done so, please message me if you would like to attend.

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My gtg is now officially postponed. I will revisit a new date when virus concerns dissipate.Thanks to those that had committed to attending, and to those that had expressed interest.
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My gtg is now officially postponed. I will revisit a new date when virus concerns dissipate.Thanks to those that had committed to attending, and to those that had expressed interest.
That sucks, but completely understandable with everything that is currently happening. There probably isn't going to be a whole lot of anything open or events happening for the next few weeks.... Let us know when you do reschedule because I'm in!
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That sucks, but completely understandable with everything that is currently happening. There probably isn't going to be a whole lot of anything open or events happening for the next few weeks.... Let us know when you do reschedule because I'm in!

I don't think this is going to change in the next few weeks. My guess would be the next few months !!
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