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post #781 of 806 Old 05-16-2019, 07:05 PM
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12 awg is not beneficial until you are approaching wire runs of 50 feet. And, as others noted, it gets hard to get behind the speaker when flat against the wall. I'm using 14 awg.
I ran 12 in my HT 14 years ago to all the speakers. I will be fine with the wire behind the speaker as I only have a little coming out of the wall, so the cavity around the binding posts will take the excess just fine. My current bookshelf speakers are mounted flat now.

I've been fine with 12s all these years until I purchased some Monoprice Banana Plugs that said they work up to 12. Well, I guess they did, but only with hours spent and bloody fingers for all 7 speakers in the back of the receiver. Trying to separate the strands on 12, and fold over just a tiny bit over the plug, but not too much as the other part can't screw down and clamp it, was near impossible with 12. Was wishing I had run 14. I watched a video of someone else installing with those banana plugs with 12 gauge and it looked simple. His wire looked no bigger than 14 and not even quite that. At least compared to my 12 that I used. That stuff is stiff!!!

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I ran 12 in my HT 14 years ago to all the speakers. I will be fine with the wire behind the speaker as I only have a little coming out of the wall, so the cavity around the binding posts will take the excess just fine. My current bookshelf speakers are mounted flat now.

I've been fine with 12s all these years until I purchased some Monoprice Banana Plugs that said they work up to 12. Well, I guess they did, but only with hours spent and bloody fingers for all 7 speakers in the back of the receiver. Trying to separate the strands on 12, and fold over just a tiny bit over the plug, but not too much as the other part can't screw down and clamp it, was near impossible with 12. Was wishing I had run 14. I watched a video of someone else installing with those banana plugs with 12 gauge and it looked simple. His wire looked no bigger than 14 and not even quite that. At least compared to my 12 that I used. That stuff is stiff!!!
What 12ga speaker wire are you using? All the ones i have used have been very flexible. I used amazon banana plug that are the same type and amazon wire. It was pretty quick and easy.
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What 12ga speaker wire are you using? All the ones i have used have been very flexible. I used amazon banana plug that are the same type and amazon wire. It was pretty quick and easy.
I believe he is using solid core instead of stranded wire. Certainly a pain in the butt to use at that size, and might be an issue getting into the E1s. Rather than rewiring everything through walls or shaving down the solid 12s, it might be easier to just splice on the some stranded wire for the last few inches to connect to the speakers?
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With 100 watts going into the wire, you tend to lose about 1 watt (1%) as you approach 50 feet with 14 awg copper wire. This results in about 0.10dB less output. 100 watts into the wire is about 30 volts, or so I found in my research.

Most of us aren't putting 100 watts into surrounds, especially not with an AVR!
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Are either of you two using 12 gauge wire for your surrounds? Wondering if 12 works well for the E1s since the posts are spring loaded.
Im using 12 gauge all around, didnt seem like having multiple sizes of speaker made sense. On my E1s i had to add a connector to get them connected as i couldnt get the bare wire through the hole in that spring loaded thing. My eyes and not the size of the wire was why. i used something like these



but not so big lol

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Ok so i got my T2s, T1s, C2 connected and the E1s hung. I had too many power strips and too much extra lengths of speaker wire tucked away so i straightened all that out and it took me most of the day. The polks i had hanging used a different bracket than the one the E1s used so i had to reconfigure that out also. But all of that is behind and im listening to the new speakers now. All i have to say is WOW what a difference. The T2s are bad ass. So much better than the polk mon 70s i had hooked up. So full and clear. Everything is sounding so much better and i havent run Dirac on the system yet. I will run it tomorrow but right now im a happy man.
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Just recieved my T1/C2/E1 today. People are not kidding when they say the C2 is massive.
One thing i am not sure of is the E1 mounting. It looks like it can be mounted with tweeter on top or bottom. Does it matter? If i outt the tweeter on top at ear lvl the woofer will sit below the couch for the most part.
surrounds should be a bit above ear level to ensure direct line of sight to all listening positions
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What 12ga speaker wire are you using? All the ones i have used have been very flexible. I used amazon banana plug that are the same type and amazon wire. It was pretty quick and easy.
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I believe he is using solid core instead of stranded wire. Certainly a pain in the butt to use at that size, and might be an issue getting into the E1s. Rather than rewiring everything through walls or shaving down the solid 12s, it might be easier to just splice on the some stranded wire for the last few inches to connect to the speakers?
I'm not using Solid Core or wouldn't be able to spread out the strands on the banana plugs I installed

I can't remember the brand. I installed it 14 or so years ago. It was either Monoprice or I purchased it from Lowes. I am not sure. But, it's stout.

I haven't installed my E1s yet. I spent all day working out side yesterday and running REW for sub placement last night.

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I hope to put to rest, what I believe to be a myth. Many people, including myself, hesitate due to the 4 oms. With all the opinions I have read, it sounds like this shouldn’t stop anyone from buying.

Has anyone ever had an issue driving these or with overheating? I haven’t seen any post where anyone made that claim, but I could have missed it somehow.

Also, I can set my receiver (Onkyo 686) to 4 oms. Then I saw articles saying not to waste your time doing that, that things will run just fine without making that adjustment. Should I make that adjustment to be on the safe side or follow that advice?

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I hope to put to rest, what I believe to be a myth. Many people, including myself, hesitate due to the 4 oms. With all the opinions I have read, it sounds like this shouldn’t stop anyone from buying.

Has anyone ever had an issue driving these or with overheating? I haven’t seen any post where anyone made that claim, but I could have missed it somehow.

Also, I can set my receiver (Onkyo 686) to 4 oms. Then I saw articles saying not to waste your time doing that, that things will run just fine without making that adjustment. Should I make that adjustment to be on the safe side or follow that advice?

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I have an onkyo 830, upgraded from the 686, and it has no issues with the 4 ohm speakers. From what i have read up on them 4 ohms is the lowest they go but alot ore running these speakers on older recievers not even stating a they will run 4 ohm but the onkyo state you can.

I did run 4 ohm speakers on the 686, monoprice atmos speakers, set at 4 ohms for 2 weeks with no issues. Replaced the 686 just due to the good deal on the 830 i got.

I also followed the recomedarion online and did not set the speakers for 4 ohms i left it at 6 and have not had an issue.

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I was looking at the E2 to replace the E1 i purchased. I have the E1 behind the couch and the couch is just 1 ft from the wall. I can angle the E1 in like i did with the book shel speaker i had and it does not seem to surround me as it used to. I was thinking of moving the e1 into the center to do 7.2.4 set up eventually. I have a 5.1.2 at the moment. I could also try and use the E1 as refective atomos speakers as they are cheap anyways
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I was looking at the E2 to replace the E1 i purchased. I have the E1 behind the couch and the couch is just 1 ft from the wall. I can angle the E1 in like i did with the book shel speaker i had and it does not seem to surround me as it used to. I was thinking of moving the e1 into the center to do 7.2.4 set up eventually. I have a 5.1.2 at the moment. I could also try and use the E1 as refective atomos speakers as they are cheap anyways
If you are referring to using them as an upfiring speaker, don't bother. Upfiring speakers have their frequency response modified so it reaches your ears "correctly" after augmentation by the ceiling bounce.

I'm a bit confused about your setup. If you have a 5.1 system, you'd have surround speakers at the sides but not at the back.

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If you are referring to using them as an upfiring speaker, don't bother. Upfiring speakers have their frequency response modified so it reaches your ears "correctly" after augmentation by the ceiling bounce.

I'm a bit confused about your setup. If you have a 5.1 system, you'd have surround speakers at the sides but not at the back.
With my room set up i cant put side speakers. Only against the back wall ( making the best of the room)Good to know they wont work reflecting the e1. I might just try to ceiling mount them as i have seen others do before.

I also pulled the couch away from the wall so the speakers would not be mounted on my head. I was thinking the E2 would atleast fill out the sound more since the tweeter are angled

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Ok so i got my T2s, T1s, C2 connected and the E1s hung. I had too many power strips and too much extra lengths of speaker wire tucked away so i straightened all that out and it took me most of the day. The polks i had hanging used a different bracket than the one the E1s used so i had to reconfigure that out also. But all of that is behind and im listening to the new speakers now. All i have to say is WOW what a difference. The T2s are bad ass. So much better than the polk mon 70s i had hooked up. So full and clear. Everything is sounding so much better and i havent run Dirac on the system yet. I will run it tomorrow but right now im a happy man.
T2s are so good. Enjoy!!
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Has anyone used (3) C1 centers in an LCR configuration. Looking to change speakers and these have caught eye as I have enjoyed my current atmos speakers from emotiva. How is the imaging and soundstage? Looking for dynamic soundstage strictly for home theater usage.

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i think you are on to something , but , i think that a pair of t1's and a c2 do the same thing at less $$ (with close out prices)....
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Has anyone used (3) C1 centers in an LCR configuration. Looking to change speakers and these have caught eye as I have enjoyed my current atmos speakers from emotiva. How is the imaging and soundstage? Looking for dynamic soundstage strictly for home theater usage.
Do you have room to mount all 3 horizontal?

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Any word on when these updated Airmotivs with additional models that support better Atmos "friendliness" (supposedly) will get released?
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Do you have room to mount all 3 horizontal?
Although I could, I would prefer to mount two of them vertically given my room dimensions

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Although I could, I would prefer to mount two of them vertically given my room dimensions
than the t1 pair + c2 would be cheaper than 3 c2 centers.

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Although I could, I would prefer to mount two of them vertically given my room dimensions
Dispersion will be negatively affected mounting a center channel vertically. You'll get uneven response as you move side to side.
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Dispersion will be negatively affected mounting a center channel vertically. You'll get uneven response as you move side to side.
that's the part i thought might end up being expensive .. or a diy effort.. or not doable at all , i don't know what is involved with flipping those tweeters around...

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Dispersion will be negatively affected mounting a center channel vertically. You'll get uneven response as you move side to side.
that's the part i thought might end up being expensive .. or a diy effort.. or not doable at all , i don't know what is involved with flipping those tweeters around...
It's not the orientation of the tweeter, it's the placement of all of the drivers. The design is intended to create a horizontal dispersion pattern that is even, when used in its designed, horizontal placement. If you flip it vertically, you'll end up with that dispersion changing to vertical, with poorer horizontal performance. You would need to move all of the drivers to change that.

Much better to get speakers designed to be vertical if that's the intended placement.
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Any word on when these updated Airmotivs with additional models that support better Atmos "friendliness" (supposedly) will get released?
i thought i saw something somewhere that said about July, that's just going from memory though, i can't remember if it was even what i would consider a good source..
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Rockin out to the emotiva t1's with some Metallica black album.....sound good playing it.
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