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Quite a speaker Rick. Got any pointers for someone who’d be interested in designing their own speaker from the ground up?

I’d like to build my own towers or line array in the near future, that’s why.
The best way to learn is by starting with a kit. After that comes reading all that you can (such as Vance Dickason's book) and acquiring crossover design software and measuring equipment.
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Here's a center channel I recently deigned to match a a pair of Adam L/R speakers. Due to space constraints (7" maximum height) and the desire for a high quality AMT or ribbon driver I chose one that would cross low. The mids are Eton Hexacone 3" drivers which is what many of the Adam speakers use. With a horizontal MTM layout the spacing of the mids and tweeter becomes very important.

I've attached horizontal and vertical off-axis plots. The first graph is on-axis with the tweeter and fifteen degrees off-axis horizontally. With the low crossover point, steep acoustic crossover slopes, and close driver spacing the response stays very uniform. The next graph adds the thirty degree horizontal curve and it shows some changes due to the delayed signal of the midrange that's further away as well as the woofer on that side. Due to the symmetrical layout both sides will have the same coverage which is a good thing as that's what the movie sound engineer intended.

Vertically the coverage remains uniform out to 10K at ten degrees and remains uniform at seventeen degrees but starts to roll off more at 4K and above due to the 76mm length of the ribbon. How important this is depends on your listening angle but dialogue should still be in good shape.

This represents what I feel is the limit of a horizontal MTM layout and if you don't need a ribbon/AMT/planar driver a good low profile option is a small neo dome and 3"-4" mid vertically arranged or a concentric driver (Elac, KEF, etc.). If height permits a WMTW layout has better coverage than the horizontal MTM arrangement. The WMTW also works well behind a screen if a vertically placed center isn't possible.
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Our version of "modern rustic"...
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Iluminismo - scanspeak illiminators? Be tweet? Active bass or passive?

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Hmm, is that a cabinet available from OEM sites or is that a custom cab? It looks almost exactly like the one used in the Joseph Audio Pulsar. I wonder if you could take that cab, use the Seas T25CF002 and W15CY and just make a clone for like half the price, lol.
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Iluminismo - scanspeak illiminators? Be tweet? Active bass or passive?

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SB Acoustics Satori woofers and beryllium tweeter. The bass section is passive; however, an active version is a great option.

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Hmm, is that a cabinet available from OEM sites or is that a custom cab? It looks almost exactly like the one used in the Joseph Audio Pulsar. I wonder if you could take that cab, use the Seas T25CF002 and W15CY and just make a clone for like half the price, lol.
A custom cabinet. Faceted designs of course go back several years and there's only a few ways to make them. Jeff Joseph is a nice guy and the Pulsar is a good speaker.

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A custom cabinet. Faceted designs of course go back several years and there's only a few ways to make them. Jeff Joseph is a nice guy and the Pulsar is a good speaker.
I'm planning to be at the Dallas show this weekend and was wondering what you'll be showing there. Can you say?


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I'm planning to be at the Dallas show this weekend and was wondering what you'll be showing there. Can you say?


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Yes, the Ritorno 2-way monitosr and the Omaggio line arrays. Looking forward to meeting you!
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Those are quite beautiful, Rick.
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Those are quite beautiful, Rick.
Really enjoyed seeing Rick and these speakers at the show....they look even better in person, and sound better than that.


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Rick designed a center for me to go with the Philharmonic BMRs, roughly based on the Ceramica center. It's using the SB Acoustics woofers, but with the RAAL 64-10 tweeter and the BMR driver as the midrange. My daughter and I will be building the cabinet, but I went ahead and got the prototype baffle from Rick since the BMR has a little tricky recess. Got the baffle yesterday. Not sure when the rest of the kit is coming, but should not be too much longer. I've an out of town family wedding this weekend, so won't get to start cobbling the cabinet together for awhile anyway.

Edit: Oh, I went with the black cones on the woofers rather than the white to more closely match the BMRs, which I typically listen to with the grills off.
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Rick designed a center for me to go with the Philharmonic BMRs, roughly based on the Ceramica center. It's using the SB Acoustics woofers, but with the RAAL 64-10 tweeter and the BMR driver as the midrange. My daughter and I will be building the cabinet, but I went ahead and got the prototype baffle from Rick since the BMR has a little tricky recess. Got the baffle yesterday. Not sure when the rest of the kit is coming, but should not be too much longer. I've an out of town family wedding this weekend, so won't get to start cobbling the cabinet together for awhile anyway.

Edit: Oh, I went with the black cones on the woofers rather than the white to more closely match the BMRs, which I typically listen to with the grills off.
Here's the test cabinet. I will post more later today.
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Rick designed a center for me to go with the Philharmonic BMRs, roughly based on the Ceramica center. It's using the SB Acoustics woofers, but with the RAAL 64-10 tweeter and the BMR driver as the midrange. My daughter and I will be building the cabinet, but I went ahead and got the prototype baffle from Rick since the BMR has a little tricky recess. Got the baffle yesterday. Not sure when the rest of the kit is coming, but should not be too much longer. I've an out of town family wedding this weekend, so won't get to start cobbling the cabinet together for awhile anyway.

Edit: Oh, I went with the black cones on the woofers rather than the white to more closely match the BMRs, which I typically listen to with the grills off.
Here's the test cabinet. I will post more later today.
Very nice!

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On-axis curves for the BMR-CC drivers (no crossover). I also have 15 and 30 degree curves that I use for entering into my crossover software. This gives a good comparison for determining the output /sensitivity of the three driver sections. Room effects are creating the peak and dip below 200hz. The ribbon's response changes in the lower frequencies because of the room's noise floor being higher than the output of the tweeter.

The second graph is the nearfield bass curve for the sealed box woofers.
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BMRCC Response Graphs

On the tweeter axis height @1M distance, 0-15-30 degrees horizontally, 1/12 octave smoothing, 5msec blended sine signal.

The second graph has the vertical response curves from V1 (midranges axis), V2 (midpoint of tweeter / midrange, V3 (tweeter axis), and V4 (slightly above the top edge of the cabinet).
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On the tweeter axis height @1M distance, 0-15-30 degrees horizontally, 1/12 octave smoothing, 5msec blended sine signal.

The second graph has the vertical response curves from V1 (midranges axis), V2 (midpoint of tweeter / midrange, V3 (tweeter axis), and V4 (slightly above the top edge of the cabinet).
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Here's the BMR-CC impedance. Easy to drive 6 ohms nominal and 4.6 ohms minimum.
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Here's the BMR-CC impedance. Easy to drive 6 ohms nominal and 4.6 ohms minimum.
The BMR-CC kit has shipped and i look forward to hearing back on the performance. Here's the revised vertical response curve with the angles listed. The dip below 200hz is the floor reflection and peak at 100hz a room mode. The sensitivity is 86dB / 2.83v / 1M.
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Here's the BMR-CC impedance. Easy to drive 6 ohms nominal and 4.6 ohms minimum.
The BMR-CC kit has shipped and i look forward to hearing back on the performance. Here's the revised vertical response curve with the angles listed. The dip below 200hz is the floor reflection and peak at 100hz a room mode. The sensitivity is 86dB / 2.83v / 1M.
Thanks so much, Rick. I'm excited to get it put together! We've not started on the cabinet yet as life has intervened but I hope to this weekend. I'll try to document the process as much as possible.

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I wanted to expand a bit on my comments regarding the BMR-CC Rick has designed for me. I reached out to Rick when it seemed that Philharmonic BMRs might never be produced again and, to be honest, I didn't really just want another BMR to lay on its side with the tweeter rotated. So I asked Rick if he could modify the Ceramica center design and as we talked through it it turned out he could get the BMR driver AND the same RAAL tweeter that the Philharmonic BMR uses. We could have also gone with the Scanspeak woofers, but he convinced me the SB Acoustics woofers would work as well (if not better) and the $150 price difference didn't hurt, either. Rather than ported, we're going with a sealed design for the center as I run dual Rythmik subs in my system. The cabinet is pretty simple, but I went ahead and got the baffle cut and routed for the drivers from Rick as the BMR driver is a little tricky and the price was quite reasonable. My only concern is my finishing skills as I will ATTEMPT to emulate a piano black finish. Fortunately, as the center speaker, it will be almost impossible to really see the sides and top of the cabinet once placed in position, so I'm not OVERLY worried. I'll be doing a thread on the build (which will be quite simple compared to some here, especially recently) but I've not even started on the cabinet yet, so it will be awhile. As everyone has said, Rick has been great to work with, especially given that he's done a couple of Audio Shows (you were at Axpona as well, right Rick?) during this whole period. Happy to be joining the Selah family!!
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