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dbacksfan51 06-15-2008 08:15 AM

I recently purchased a Pair of Usher CP-6381's and a X-616 center. I came from the Paradigm Camp, but after hearing the 6381's fell in love. So after 2 more additions at 2 other shops, decided to sell the Paradigms and go with the Ushers. For the Price, finish and quality, they are a great bargain. Just don't see much about them on AVS. So for those of us that own them here is a place to post pictures, talk about them etc.

Here are my new babies.
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RayGee 06-15-2008 11:30 PM

Count me in, Ushers all around

Front X-929
Center X-616
Rear X-718

Regards--------

johsti 06-16-2008 11:00 AM

Thanks dbacksfan. It's about time for an Usher thread around here. Usher is definitely one of the best deals in audio, IMHO.

My fronts are CP-6311 and an S-525 for a center. I used to own a pair of the S-520, and they were fantastic for such a small, inexpensive monitor. Even with the recent increase in price, they are still a bargain.

jwc13ac 06-16-2008 11:34 AM

Happy S-520s owner here, great looking and sounding speakers. Can't think of much better in this price range. I used them for mostly HT and Gaming, and they sounded GREAT with COD4 and Halo. I'd use a sub for HT use.

Tmueller 06-16-2008 08:39 PM

Absolutely...Great products and even better values. Have you guys heard the BE-718s yet?

Veda 06-17-2008 02:41 AM

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I for one, not for being an owner, but for the fact that Usher is getting to be the popular choice for budget but real high end speakers, would like to see one on this site.

Russdawg 06-17-2008 08:45 AM

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Absolutely...Great products and even better values. Have you guys heard the BE-718s yet?

I bought a pair a few weeks ago, very nice for music. Using them for strictly 2 channel. I also run Revel's but I really like these things...alot!

I'm surprised that there isn't alot more interest in the speaker threads about the 520 though (I also own these). What a speaker for 4 bills. Fit, finish, SQ, it really has it going on.

Veda 06-17-2008 09:11 PM

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I'm surprised that there isn't alot more interest in the speaker threads about the 520 though (I also own these). What a speaker for 4 bills. Fit, finish, SQ, it really has it going on.

The 520's are indeed some of the best deals currently in the market. My complain is that you'd have to drive them with some powerful amps to get the best sound and you'd have to play them reasonably loud as well to get them to open up. Probably because of the restricted soundstage...

cschang 06-17-2008 09:15 PM

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The 520's are indeed some of the best deals currently in the market. My complain is that you'd have to drive them with some powerful amps to get the best sound and you'd have to play them reasonably loud as well to get them to open up. Probably because of the restricted soundstage...

I wouldn't play them too loud without a subwoofer though.

I have heard the Be-718 and think it is a great speaker. Have also heard the Usher V series, and thought they were excellent values.

Warpdrv 06-17-2008 09:17 PM

Change the title to "Official Usher Audio Thread"...
Usher Audio deserves its own thread... !!

Warpdrv 06-17-2008 09:17 PM

Change the title to "Official Usher Audio Thread"...
Usher Audio deserves its own thread... !!

dbacksfan51 06-18-2008 04:11 PM

Just sent a PM to the moderators to change the name. I will change my original post a bit once the change has gone through.

Time to post some pics of your speakers. Not only do they sound great, There entire lineup from top to bottom looks amazing.

JVries 06-21-2008 09:15 AM

I'll be making a trip over to China later this year and will stop by in Hong Kong for a few days. Curious if anyone knows the list price of Usher Audio speakers there? I'm hoping to pick up some gear to bring back and want to check out these speakers and some of the Chinese amps (Dussun comes to mind).

dbacksfan51 06-21-2008 09:42 AM

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I'll be making a trip over to China later this year and will stop by in Hong Kong for a few days. Curious if anyone knows the list price of Usher Audio speakers there? I'm hoping to pick up some gear to bring back and want to check out these speakers and some of the Chinese amps (Dussun comes to mind).

I would guess they sell them there, but Usher is made in Taiwan. But some of the Chinese audio stuff would be cool. It would be nice to pickup a Tube amp on the cheap.

wje 06-21-2008 07:46 PM

I have a pair of S-520s in my bedroom. Driven by an H/K receiver, and I'm using a subwoofer. The sound is very good - I use it as a music-only system. Impressive product for the price.

msinghof 06-27-2008 03:36 PM

I have been very happy with the V-602's and V-603 center in my home theater. Had the 602's for about a year in a two-channel system, then moved them into the HT and bought the center six months ago. Surrounds are Swan 5.2Rs. Rears are Audiosource 8" in-ceiling (pivoting tweeter). Sub is Paradigm.
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wookiered 06-30-2008 09:54 AM

Talked with the usher usa distributor based in dallas (where i am).

Says there are plans to release a BE-520 this year. Using the same tweeter as the BE-720 and a new faster woofer.
Didn't know the release date or the price, but felt that it would be under a grand.

Sweet.

Veda 07-06-2008 08:02 PM

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Says there are plans to release a BE-520 this year. Using the same tweeter as the BE-720 and a new faster woofer. Didn't know the release date or the price, but felt that it would be under a grand.Sweet.

I didn't know they have a Be-720. Is the Be-520 going to use beryllium tweeter? It's hard to believe they'll be selling it for less than a grand if it's in the Dancer line.

Yesterday I went to the local Usher dealer to audition the Be-718. Since this is basically the CP-8577II floors without the low bass woofer and costs 1/3 price (where I'm at anyway), I thought it'd fit better in my small listening room. The demo wasn't set up properly due to the speaker and the sitting position but I was impressed enough right away purchase a pair in white piano finish. I guess I've always been a sucker for exotic tweeters and Scanspeak-like woofers. I don't know yet how it would go with my class D amps in my actual setup at home as I won't be taking the delivery for another month. If it's too bright, I'm thinking of pairing them with the cheap but advanced Onkyo A-9755 class D that only takes analog inputs. Not sure yet as I've just auditioned that amp with some B&W's and found the low and highs too pronounced. But to be fair those B&W's were hooked to a Lexicon and that was a match made in heaven. Anyway I can't leave the digital realm yet but if I have to, the only traditional amp I'd get is the Bryston B100DA which still has built in DAC. The problem is 100W @ 8 ohm won't be enough for power hungry Ushers.

I also had the chance to audition the X-708 and found it too bright and more artificial but they'd be able to play well any kind of music including the hardest rock and metal. The X-708 does have the extended soundstage that the S-520's are missing and will be the model of choice for HT. Actually I might just do that in the future...

Anyway, I'm gonna make myself busy painting my old Newform R630 pearl white. They'd match better with the 718's. I'll post the results in the DIY section once they're done.

wookiered 07-11-2008 09:27 AM

My bad. I meant to say Be-718, not 720 ( your right that doesn't exist!)

Veda 07-11-2008 08:31 PM

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[quote=JVries;14130707]Curious if anyone knows the list price of Usher Audio speakers there?/QUOTE]

Haggle at 45% discount from US retail price list. You'll probably deal at 42% or so depending on the model and their stock.

Veda 07-11-2008 08:34 PM

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My bad. I meant to say Be-718, not 720 ( your right that doesn't exist!)

So a Be-518? I doubt it'll be less than $1K even in Taiwan. That's the X series territory.

wookiered 07-17-2008 08:33 AM

I was told it would be the be-520 that would use the same tweeter as the be 718s. the reason it would be a grand or less is that it isnt directly competing with x series as the x series has a larger woofer the 520's (be or regular)

However, the woofer, while still the same size as the 520s is supposed to be new. Lighter and quicker to keep up with the be tweeter.

sounds good to me.

Pair it with a sub and your good to go!

Veda 12-02-2008 11:11 PM

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Mystery solved. It's not Be-520, they're called Mini Dancer 1 and Mini Dancer 2. The 1 is basically the floorstander version of Be-718 with more bass extension. 2 way too which makes it the perfect speakers for me. Interestingly enough though the sensitivity of Dancer 1 is 85dB compared to the Di'Appolito style Dancer 2 that has 90dB. The price of the 1 is $2500 according to my local dealer but in US it's probably a lot higher. This will be an interesting comparison to the new Salk Song Towers...

http://www.usheraudio.com/speaker-mi...ancer%201.html

raytzer 12-09-2008 08:50 PM

Hi, everyone,
I'm a user of Usher speaker in Taiwan, and surprised there still exist some users in US. I love Usher speakers very much. I believe it's the No.1 speaker in Taiwan. I'm going to buy a pair of Be-718, but I got a trouble that I can't find a proper AMP to drive it. In fact, this is a common problem for Usher fans in Taiwan. I will like to know which AMP you are using. Or any advise about it. Thanks.

JVries 12-10-2008 08:47 PM

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Hi, everyone,
I'm a user of Usher speaker in Taiwan, and surprised there still exist some users in US. I love Usher speakers very much. I believe it's the No.1 speaker in Taiwan. I'm going to buy a pair of Be-718, but I got a trouble that I can't find a proper AMP to drive it. In fact, this is a common problem for Usher fans in Taiwan. I will like to know which AMP you are using. Or any advise about it. Thanks.

Not sure about the amp thing, but could you ship me a pair of CP-6391s? I really want that model, but unfortunately it's been discontinued in North America! As an Usher user, you are lucky to live in Taiwan where the pricing and selection is exceptional...

raytzer 12-11-2008 01:09 AM

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Not sure about the amp thing, but could you ship me a pair of CP-6391s? I really want that model, but unfortunately it's been discontinued in North America! As an Usher user, you are lucky to live in Taiwan where the pricing and selection is exceptional...

I just a Usher user, not a dealer, can't help you. As I know, the Taiwan Usher can only ship the speakers to Taiwan and China.
In Taiwan, I can buy a cheap Usher speaker, but a good amp, either from US or Europe, will cost 2~3 times than one in US. It's fair.

I do have a pair of 6391, good for bass. 6-series is the only one for HT, and it should not be discontnued shortly. But most of people prefer to 6381. Maybe that's why 6391 will be discontinued.

brianle 12-26-2008 08:33 PM

I'm a proud owner of the Be-718. I'm pairing them with Musical Fidelity A5 integrated amp and Squeeze Box 3.

Craven More 12-27-2008 10:26 AM

I've had my 718's for about three weeks now and I have them on my old Target stands. I was going to order a pair of Sound Anchor stands but I'm waiting for more info on the bass modules Usher is coming out with. I'm wondering if they're going to be anything like the ones for the S-520's.

bmuell 12-27-2008 11:10 AM

I'm probably going to pull the trigger on a pair of S-520s, which have been quoted by a couple dealers in my area at $380 with holiday sales. I'm trying to decide on an integrated amp/receiver to power them. It's most likely going to be either the Cambridge 540A or the Harmon Kardon HK 3490.

I've been hearing great things about both and the price is the same. I just can't decided whether the the tuner, digital input, and dedicated bass management on the HK is necessary. I won't be adding a sub right away.

Either way, can't wait!

DoingOK 01-26-2009 06:13 PM

Just got a pair of Be-718's in today. I am very impressed with the craftsmanship and can't wait to pair them with my Emotiva RPA/RSP-2 combination.




Veda 01-26-2009 07:59 PM

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In fact, this is a common problem for Usher fans in Taiwan. I will like to know which AMP you are using. Or any advise about it. Thanks.

Precisely my sentiments. I'd pair them with an amp that's dark sounding or bright but powerful. The Usher's are far more picky to amp pairing than any other speaker brands I've tried. With the right amp though, they go head to head with the best out there. Unfortunately while they can be had at a bargain compared to the competition, they must be paired with a real musical audiophile grade amp. That's true even for the el-cheapo S-520.

vantagesc 01-29-2009 11:05 AM

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Just got a pair of Be-718's in today. I am very impressed with the craftsmanship and can't wait to pair them with my Emotiva RPA/RSP-2 combination.

Very curious as to how you like it...I am thinking to pair the Be's with a Bel Canto S300i, mostly because I already have it. But I feel the Be's could use slightly more power.

DoingOK 01-30-2009 01:37 PM

Plenty of power for the Ushers..............my room acoustics are horrible and need to be addressed asap. Slate floors and empty room do not make a great listening room.

bgmanne 01-30-2009 08:42 PM

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I'm probably going to pull the trigger on a pair of S-520s, which have been quoted by a couple dealers in my area at $380 with holiday sales. I'm trying to decide on an integrated amp/receiver to power them. It's most likely going to be either the Cambridge 540A or the Harmon Kardon HK 3490.

I am using a Cambridge Audio Azur 640R HT Receiver to power an all Usher set-up: two pair of S-520s, a S-525 center, and a SW-103 sub woofer, and am very pleased.

ickysmits 01-31-2009 12:42 AM

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Unfortunately while they can be had at a bargain compared to the competition, they must be paired with a real musical audiophile grade amp. That's true even for the el-cheapo S-520.

Is this an indisputable statement or just a bad choice of words? I’ve never used an amp but I’m wondering what more power would do for the Usher S-520’s. Would an amp change the dynamics or does the extra power just give them the ability to play louder – sorry, I just don’t know what an amplifier adds.

I have a pair of Usher S-520’s and an S-525 center speaker hooked up to a Yamaha V661 in a medium size room. They sound great and I’m more than happy. However, I’m skeptical that they must be paired with a ‘musical’ audiophile grade amp.

bugs26 01-31-2009 10:09 AM

I have to agree with the post above. While I can't say that I've ever had my S520s hooked up to a "musical audiophile grade amp", I'm very happy with the way they sound. I can't say that I've ever felt that my 40 watt receiver didn't have enough grunt to get me what I've needed.

Veda 01-31-2009 10:40 AM

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Is this an indisputable statement or just a bad choice of words? I’ve never used an amp but I’m wondering what more power would do for the Usher S-520’s. Would an amp change the dynamics or does the extra power just give them the ability to play louder – sorry, I just don’t know what an amplifier adds.

A powerful amp would make it sound like a real high end speaker without that thin edgy vocals that some people including myself notice on the S-520. The dealer even warned me before the purchase and I didn't believe him. It would also compensate for the lack of bass that it's known for. I've paired that thing with receivers from WRAT to Class D, Yamaha, Panny XR57, Onkyo 715 mini system, Sony Pro-Master receiver, Marantz 4002 receiver, Onkyo A9755 integrated, heck even a lowly class d Phillips mini dvd system. For a speaker that has that much recommendations from the media it must sound better than this. What I notice is that it has to be paired with a full sounding powerful amp to sing and produce what I'd call real high end refined sound. It's a very picky speaker but if you can get the components right, it's awesome. Problem is I'd rather mate those expensive components with speakers of higher class.

Of course if you're happy with the way it is at your place, that's great. But I'd wager there are better sounding speakers at the same price if its mated to an underpowered amp or a bright receiver.

ickysmits 02-13-2009 11:55 PM

Thanks for that, though, I think you're expecting too much out of a mini monitor that costs less than $400 - either that or we just use them different. Comparing the 520 with other speakers in the same price range, even with an average receiver, I think it does quite well and the consumer reviews aren't as far off as you'd suggest.

Huttizo 02-14-2009 12:34 AM

I am looking to purchase 3 pairs of the BE-718 in Gloss Black for a complete surround system. Does anyone know of a dealer where I can find a great deal? Thanks.

DoingOK 02-14-2009 05:39 AM

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I am looking to purchase 3 pairs of the BE-718 in Gloss Black for a complete surround system. Does anyone know of a dealer where I can find a great deal? Thanks.

Musik Matters is the importer of the Usher be-718's. I recently picked up a set that were returned to them unused and in immaculate shape on eBay for just over half of what they retail for. They came in perfect condition. I'd give them a call.

http://www.musikmatters.com



Dalumberjack 02-20-2009 12:42 PM

I don't own an usher speakers but a HT place just opened up here and I just went by today.

He had me listen to the Be-20 Dance loud speakers. I think I came in my pants when he turned them up to reference level.

Then he had me listen to Be-178. WOW. I never knew of Usher speakers but I do now!

gchanjam 02-26-2009 07:20 PM

I just found out that my local dealer just picked up Usher Audio and luckily for me, it's about time to upgrade my Synchrony Two B's. I've heard the Be-718's but only with jazz and classical and was very impressed and now I have my eyes set on the Mini Dancer One. However, everything I read about the this line focuses on the Be tweeter and the highs so I'm wondering if any owners know how the Be-718/Mini Dancer One perform with HT. I'll be pairing them with a JL Audio F110. Thanks.

Kriege 03-01-2009 08:37 PM

DoingOK, Gorgeous speakers on perfect matched stands. Very nice.

DoingOK 03-01-2009 09:10 PM

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DoingOK, Gorgeous speakers on perfect matched stands. Very nice.

Thanks..............the stands are actually being refinished to match the color better. The stands are really made for the Sonus Faber speakers, hence the walnut color.

gajCA 03-02-2009 08:40 AM

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I have been very happy with the V-602's and V-603 center in my home theater. Had the 602's for about a year in a two-channel system, then moved them into the HT and bought the center six months ago. Surrounds are Swan 5.2Rs. Rears are Audiosource 8" in-ceiling (pivoting tweeter). Sub is Paradigm.

Also have the 602's and 603 being driven by my NAD T770; using my B & W CM10's for the surrounds.

They are fantastic for the money and sad to see discontinued with no direct replacment as my brother wanted to buy some and is now looking at Paradigm Monitor 9's as an option.

Are the Monitor 9's as good?

I find that I really don't use my Velodyne sub much any more; only for movies that go "boom." For music, which I listen to in two channel, the Ushers sound better without the sub...even though the sub has a setup mic and I've used a SPL meter and the Sound & Vision DVD to "match" the sub to the room and to the 602's.

The 602's REALLY shine when playing Vinyl though!

They only break up about the time my ears start to hurt, so even though they can't handle monster power like the Dancer series, they are perfect for my rather small and "bright" listening room.

Highly recommended...though discontinued.

Kriege 03-04-2009 06:11 PM

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Thanks..............the stands are actually being refinished to match the color better. The stands are really made for the Sonus Faber speakers, hence the walnut color.

Where did you purchase them and how much were they including shipping? I am considering purchasing the same stands for my pair. Thanks a lot!

For those looking for a pair of Usher BE-718, check out Ebay. There is a new pair listed at the moment.

DoingOK 03-04-2009 07:15 PM

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Where did you purchase them and how much were they including shipping? I am considering purchasing the same stands for my pair. Thanks a lot!

For those looking for a pair of Usher BE-718, check out Ebay. There is a new pair listed at the moment.

http://coreaudiodesigns.com/ is where I got the stands. I don't remember what shipping was. Thanks.

Rich

racineboxer 03-04-2009 08:59 PM

Does anyone with the X-718 or X-616's have an opinion on the ability of these Usher's to play loud cleanly?

I notice they have pretty low power handling recommendations (80 & 100 watts respectively). This is a little bit of a concern for me as I like to crank it pretty loud (not ridiculously loud though).

Veda 03-04-2009 09:07 PM

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Does anyone with the X-718 or X-616's have an opinion on the ability of these Usher's to play loud cleanly?

The X-718 sounded quite loud when I auditioned them. Granted I was sitting less than 2 meters from each speaker. They were driven by Usher's own amps.

gajCA 03-05-2009 09:22 AM

Turns out the replacements for the $1,040/pair V-602 "affordable mini tower" series is indeed on its way; here's an email I got:

Geoff,

All of the old V-Series speakers are gone. However, usher has a new
replacement line coming out in the next couple of months. The will be
similar in size to the old V-Series, but with a new sloped back cabinet
design and Aluminum/Magnesium tweeters. The prototypes we heard at CES
2009 were fantastic.

Best Regards,

Stan Tracht


USHER AUDIO U.S. Distributor
JPS Labs U.S. Distributor
1303 Motor Street
Dallas, Texas 75207
Office: 214-638-3500
Cell: 214-704-6082
Fax: 214-722-0325
Skype: ernied44
[email protected]
www.MusikMatters.com
www.jpslabs.com
www.usheraudiousa.com


While I can afford to spend more, my room is small and would be a waste for the more powerful Usher systems.

I'll save the $$ for another motorcycle!

johsti 03-05-2009 11:42 AM

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Does anyone with the X-718 or X-616's have an opinion on the ability of these Usher's to play loud cleanly?

I notice they have pretty low power handling recommendations (80 & 100 watts respectively). This is a little bit of a concern for me as I like to crank it pretty loud (not ridiculously loud though).

I wouldn't be concerned about the conservative power ratings from usher. They can handle as much clean power as you can throw at them. My 6311's are rated at 80 watts believe, and I am powering them with an Odyssey Stratos rated at 150 watts with no problems at all. They love current as do most inefficient speakers.

Russdawg 03-05-2009 01:06 PM

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Does anyone with the X-718 or X-616's have an opinion on the ability of these Usher's to play loud cleanly?

I notice they have pretty low power handling recommendations (80 & 100 watts respectively). This is a little bit of a concern for me as I like to crank it pretty loud (not ridiculously loud though).

I run my 718's with a Jeff Rowland Continuum 500 Integrated which is a 500 watt per channel amp, great pairing. The Ushers handle it no problem to ear bleeding levels.

jwc13ac 03-05-2009 01:09 PM

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I wouldn't be concerned about the conservative power ratings from usher. They can handle as much clean power as you can throw at them. My 6311's are rated at 80 watts believe, and I am powering them with an Odyssey Stratos rated at 150 watts with no problems at all. They love current as do most inefficient speakers.

Agreed, I have no idea why Ushers are rated so low. These guys almost need power.

I recently got to Demo a pair of BE-718s, I currently think this is their best offering. They tweeters were incredibly smooth the speakers had "height".

Also, man are these good looking speakers.Gotta save up for a pair soon!

Interesting to note, my dealer told me they are going to be introducing a floor standing version on the "Tiny Dancers". I wonder how these would fair in comparison to the other offerings.

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Interesting to note, my dealer told me they are going to be introducing a floor standing version on the "Tiny Dancers". I wonder how these would fair in comparison to the other offerings.

I think he's talking about the Mini Dancer 1 which is already shown on the Usher's website.

I can't wait to see the pricings on the new V series replacement. Haven't heard anything from my dealer though...

johsti 03-06-2009 01:47 PM

I just ran across this article. http://blog.hometheatermag.com/ces2009/011209Usher/

This must be the replacement for the V series. Looks very nice!
LL

brianle 03-13-2009 08:37 PM

what would be the best matched integrated amp for the Usher Be-718 ?

DoingOK 03-13-2009 08:55 PM

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what would be the best matched integrated amp for the Usher Be-718 ?

I am using the Emotiva RPA-2 amplifier and am very happy with the end result. Also, you can send it back within 30 days if you are not satisfied with the Emo unit.




Veda 03-13-2009 08:57 PM

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what would be the best matched integrated amp for the Usher Be-718 ?

So far? Any ICE 200ASC based amp.

Veda 03-13-2009 09:02 PM

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Guys, I just noticed that with the S520 the binding posts and their faceplate vibrates a lot when running the speakers on normal listening volume. They vibrates so much that I can feel the speaker cable up to 1ft vibrating as well. The cabinet itself is dead solid though. I wonder if this is present with other newer S520's as well and whether it degrades the sound quality.

Veda 03-13-2009 09:03 PM

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This must be the replacement for the V series. Looks very nice!

Looks like the KEF iQ series stuff... hopefully doesn't sound similar.

brianle 03-13-2009 09:11 PM

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I am using the Emotiva RPA-2 amplifier and am very happy with the end result. Also, you can send it back within 30 days if you are not satisfied with the Emo unit.




Those look really nice! I'm jealous

Kriege 03-14-2009 03:08 PM

I had the chance to listen to the Mini Dancer 1.. Aesthetically pleasing. Slightly more bass than the BE-718. Mid range is about the same obviously(same drivers). Very heavy, solid design. Overall I am impressed for a speaker of that caliber in the 3-4k range.

The design is sure pleasing to look at. I just bought the BE-718, If I can somehow get it sold I'll be switching to the Mini Dancer 1. Send me a pm if you are interested. It is still brand new/factory sealed.

Veda 03-16-2009 02:27 AM

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The design is sure pleasing to look at. I just bought the BE-718, If I can somehow get it sold I'll be switching to the Mini Dancer 1. Send me a pm if you are interested. It is still brand new/factory sealed.

I got the impression that it should sound the same as the 718 but with more bass. There is also an issue with the lower sensitivity. Do you really think the price difference is worth it?

Kriege 03-16-2009 09:29 AM

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I got the impression that it should sound the same as the 718 but with more bass. There is also an issue with the lower sensitivity. Do you really think the price difference is worth it?

In terms of sound quality differences, most likely not worth the extra cost. Aesthetically, sure.

JVries 03-21-2009 09:41 AM

Hey Fellow Usher Owners,

Can anyone comment on the mid-range sound of the CP-6311/CP-6371 vs. the CP-6381/CP-6391? Is there a noticeable difference? If so, how?

I ask because I've only heard the mid-range on the CP-6371 and the sound appears to lack a smidgen of clarity. The CP-6311/71 uses the 8945A mid-bass driver, whereas the CP-6381/91 (and the more expensive Dancer line) uses the 8948A driver. I'm wondering and almost expecting the mid-range of the 8948A to be better. Unfortunately, there is no Usher dealer even remotely close to me so I won't be able to check for myself. Comments?

Veda 03-21-2009 06:23 PM

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Good question, I've heard the 6311 but not the 6381 even though it's available in my local showroom. I'm assuming that the treble would be the same, the midrange to be more solid, and the bass to be way better. Just due to the design... But the 6381 doesn't seem to be selling as well as the 6311 here. Maybe because of the pricing people just went ahead and get the Be-718.

raytzer 03-23-2009 08:47 PM

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Hey Fellow Usher Owners,

Can anyone comment on the mid-range sound of the CP-6311/CP-6371 vs. the CP-6381/CP-6391? Is there a noticeable difference? If so, how?

I ask because I've only heard the mid-range on the CP-6371 and the sound appears to lack a smidgen of clarity. The CP-6311/71 uses the 8945A mid-bass driver, whereas the CP-6381/91 (and the more expensive Dancer line) uses the 8948A driver. I'm wondering and almost expecting the mid-range of the 8948A to be better. Unfortunately, there is no Usher dealer even remotely close to me so I won't be able to check for myself. Comments?

If you though the sound of 6371 appears to lack a smidgen of clarity, then 6381/6391 will get worst because they output more base. I will recomment you can liston to mini danser one. In my opinion, 6311 sounds bright and clear, and 6391 sounds warm. The mini one improve the speed for mid-bass driver. It's more close to your need.

Veda 03-23-2009 10:15 PM

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In my opinion, 6311 sounds bright and clear, and 6391 sounds warm. The mini one improve the speed for mid-bass driver. It's more close to your need.

You know, I never really liked Usher's mid range stuff, it's either the S520 or the Beryllium stuff which is what they're famous for. The 6311 is decent for the styling and midrange but its treble isn't exactly what I'd call high end. It's certainly bright as a soft dome can be like the V series but far from being ultra realistic or extended. Since they're selling the 6311 at the same price of the Be-718, I got the latter. It would make a stylish office system though. Especially in Ferrari Red. But buck for sound I'd get a Focal 800V floorstander instead. Same price.

cadarndjg 04-14-2009 12:23 PM

Anyone have good recommendations of usher dealers over the web?

johsti 04-14-2009 03:24 PM

I don't think dealers are authorized to sell Usher on the web due to territory restrictions in the US. You will have to go to your local Usher dealer or contact the distributor if there isn't a dealer near you.

Occasionally, you can find dealers selling demos online. There are also refurbs on ebay every now and then. Check audiogon for some used deals.

edit - tweekgeek.com carries Usher and their website says you can contact them if you don't have a dealer in your area.

johsti 04-21-2009 03:59 PM

It looks like the Audioholics store is selling the Usher S-520 for $399 shipped. Maybe there are authorized online retailers.

Pure-Evil 06-08-2009 04:23 PM

wow. i thought Usher was made in the USA???

btw...do you think i should jump on a pair of mint gloss black Usher CP-6381 for about $1200.00 USD shipped? i need to know your thoughts on these... will these be a huge improvement over my Onix Rocket RS760's?

kenobi 06-17-2009 09:28 AM

PureEvil,

I would take the Usher 6381 for that price in a heartbeat. I had the Onix's smaller model, forgot the # and it was quite good. However, it is no where near the Usher in quality or performance. You will not regret it. I currently have the Be-718 however, driven by Nuforce amps and amp happy.

Good luck,

Kenobi

mowry 06-19-2009 09:50 PM

After a year long investigation, I uncovered an interesting but troubling story from within the loudspeaker industry. You can download my manuscript here.

http://www.s-m-audio.com/truth.zip

Steve Mowry

droht 06-20-2009 03:55 AM

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wow. i thought Usher was made in the USA???

btw...do you think i should jump on a pair of mint gloss black Usher CP-6381 for about $1200.00 USD shipped? i need to know your thoughts on these... will these be a huge improvement over my Onix Rocket RS760's?

Don't do it man, you don't get any hugs with the Ushers.....

Pure-Evil 06-21-2009 10:27 AM

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Don't do it man, you don't get any hugs with the Ushers.....

honestly, if i get one more "HUGS" freaking letter or post i'm going to PUKE!!!

mowry 07-03-2009 08:48 PM

Have you listened to the Paradigm Signature Series?
The S1 and S2 are high value loudspeakers and they retain there price and they are typically available at a discount. The S8 is their top model.

A new problem with the Usher Dancer Series in that they don't hold their value . Here's a used pair of Be-718's going for less than US$750 / pair.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Usher-Audio-Be-7...3A1%7C294%3A50

The Revel Ultima2's are very high performance loudspeakers.

You can build your own Mini Dancer 2's with active electronics and DSP for less money than a new Pair of Be-718's.

TWEETER: Dayton Audio RS28A 2 x US$50 + shipping (use Express Mail Service)

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...number=275-130

WOOFER: Usher 8945A 7" Carbon Fiber/Paper Woofer 4 x US$100 + shipping (use EMS)

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...number=296-600

ELECTRONICS: 2 x Digmoda DDC520

http://www.s-m-audio.com/digmoda/DDC520.pdf

ENCLOSURE: User


You can then add a Sub(s) or build your own.

SUBWOOFER: User

ELECTRONICS: Digmoda DDC1000SW

http://www.s-m-audio.com/digmoda/DDC1000SW.pdf


The best speaker cable/wire is in the limit, no speaker cable/wire.

ickysmits 07-03-2009 09:26 PM

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A new problem with the Usher Dancer Series in that they don't hold their value . Here's a used pair of Be-718's going for less than US$750 / pair.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Usher-Audio-Be-7...3A1%7C294%3A50

Really? The price is $750 with 4.5 days left in an eBay auction and there's a problem with the entire Dancer series holding their value?

Oh, wait - it's up to $1000 now. And there is a reserve that hasn't been met. You didn't mention that part. Talk about having an agenda...

Veda 07-04-2009 01:06 PM

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You can build your own Mini Dancer 2's with active electronics and DSP for less money than a new Pair of Be-718's.

Agreed except that most of us don't have the capacity or more importantly the time to make a really nice furniture quality cabinet. With DIY you can always make it a lot cheapers than anything out there, it's just a matter of what you want to put in. So I guess at $1500 brand new the Be-718 isn't that bad of a deal afterall given the aesthetic and sound quality, even if it isn't real beryllium. This should be where integrators and ID guys come in. I for one wouldn't mind paying for the system you mentioned above shipped and assembled. People are selling amps based on ICE modules with very minimal if any modifications and they're really selling. The market is there...

ldub06 07-16-2009 12:10 AM

Anyone running the Be-718 in a 5.1 setup with the Be-616? How's it sound?

vantagesc 07-20-2009 11:14 PM

Usher posted a document on their U.S. website addressing the Be issue:
http://www.usheraudiousa.com/docs/Be-Response.pdf

They suggest that they may end up shipping out new drivers to people, which if true, is nice I suppose.

vantagesc 07-21-2009 12:17 AM

Agree...I don't necessarily understand the DIY argument. It's apples vs. oranges.

There are tons of things out there that you can build yourself for less, but that's exactly the point. You have to do it yourself. Some people don't have the time / don't enjoy / don't know how / can't DIY. A company does research / design (even if minimal), builds a product, provides a warranty, sets up dealers where you can audition, has to pay salaries, etc. All that has to be paid for somehow. Don't like it? Fine, then DIY or buy from an ID company. And Usher is not the only company that has their drivers available...

Heck, I can make a pretty darn good steak at home if I wanted, but sometimes I go to a restaurant too.

And don't get the impression I'm against DIY. Love what people are doing with their subs and am would love to build a Linkwitz Orion.

Veda 07-21-2009 12:51 AM

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Yea, frankly I'd rather be spending my time making more $ than DIY audio stuff. The farthest I'd go is custom painting my speakers at my workshop.

Kriege 07-21-2009 10:32 AM

Does anybody know what stands are these?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRWwpmewnAs

Craven More 07-26-2009 06:45 PM

Anyone hear anything about the dedicated bass modules for the 718's. I'm getting real itchy for more bass for these speakers.

gchanjam 07-26-2009 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mowry View Post

Have you listened to the Paradigm Signature Series?
The S1 and S2 are high value loudspeakers and they retain there price and they are typically available at a discount. The S8 is their top model.

A new problem with the Usher Dancer Series in that they don't hold their value . Here's a used pair of Be-718's going for less than US$750 / pair.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Usher-Audio-Be-7...3A1%7C294%3A50

The Revel Ultima2's are very high performance loudspeakers.

You can build your own Mini Dancer 2's with active electronics and DSP for less money than a new Pair of Be-718's.

TWEETER: Dayton Audio RS28A 2 x US$50 + shipping (use Express Mail Service)

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...number=275-130

WOOFER: Usher 8945A 7" Carbon Fiber/Paper Woofer 4 x US$100 + shipping (use EMS)

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...number=296-600

ELECTRONICS: 2 x Digmoda DDC520

http://www.s-m-audio.com/digmoda/DDC520.pdf

ENCLOSURE: User


You can then add a Sub(s) or build your own.

SUBWOOFER: User

ELECTRONICS: Digmoda DDC1000SW

http://www.s-m-audio.com/digmoda/DDC1000SW.pdf


The best speaker cable/wire is in the limit, no speaker cable/wire.

Except that you left out arguably the most important part of the Be series, the Beryllium tweeter. Not to mention, that haphazardly slapping together a bunch of drivers from madisound/partsexpress is a sure-fire way to end up with a useless piece of furniture. I applaud the DIY crowd for having the time, skills, and patience to do what they do but you guys really need to quit it with the idiotic DIY suggestions at every corner.

TNTguy 08-03-2009 01:13 PM

Anyone heard the Mini Dancer Twos? I was curious how the ones and twos sound against the rest of the Dancer lineup.

Kriege 08-08-2009 05:48 PM

For those interested in the BE-718, check EBAY. There is a new pair available for auction.

Craven More 08-09-2009 11:40 AM

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Anyone heard the Mini Dancer Twos? I was curious how the ones and twos sound against the rest of the Dancer lineup.

Here's a recent article from AVGuide.

http://www.avguide.com/blog/first-lo...wo-loudspeaker

TNTguy 08-13-2009 12:11 AM

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Here's a recent article from AVGuide.

http://www.avguide.com/blog/first-lo...wo-loudspeaker


Thanks for the link. I am looking forward to hearing what he has to say when he posts the full review in a month or so.

TNTguy 08-13-2009 02:51 AM

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Thanks for the link. I am looking forward to hearing what he has to say when he posts the full review in a month or so.


Wow, that was a quick month.

http://www.avguide.com/review/playba...ng-loudspeaker

ldub06 08-13-2009 11:04 PM

What kind of stands are people using for their Be-718s? I'm in the market for new stands since they are currently sitting on stools. ;-(

DoingOK 08-14-2009 05:40 PM

I'm using Core Audio stands (black walnut). I was going to stain to match, but my room is multi colored anyways


ldub06 08-22-2009 11:26 PM

Do you have the stands screwed into the speakers or just sitting on the them?

DoingOK 08-23-2009 06:34 AM

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Do you have the stands screwed into the speakers or just sitting on the them?

I have them sitting on the stands with some blue museum tack holding them. When I contacted Core Audio, they said they would drill holes in the stands if I just gave them the dimensions. I opted not to.

htwaits 08-25-2009 04:55 PM

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I have them sitting on the stands with some blue museum tack holding them.

You have a PM on a different topic.

ldub06 08-30-2009 08:47 PM

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I have them sitting on the stands with some blue museum tack holding them. When I contacted Core Audio, they said they would drill holes in the stands if I just gave them the dimensions. I opted not to.

Ah, I figured they'd just have the dimensions on file or something. Do they seem pretty stable on the stands with the blue museum tack?

Anyway, still seeing what my other options are.

DoingOK 08-31-2009 06:36 AM

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Ah, I figured they'd just have the dimensions on file or something. Do they seem pretty stable on the stands with the blue museum tack?

Anyway, still seeing what my other options are.

I haven't had any issues and I've bumped them a few times.

alpha1010 09-12-2009 01:06 PM

The BE-718 look fantastic, if they sound as good as they look I may have to get a pair, but no one in my country has these speakers in a showroom, I can get them, but I won't be able to listen to them first, that sucks....

Tornillo 09-22-2009 03:18 PM

I just bought a pair of the V-718's today. Very excited!


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