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Should I fix my 1.6QR's (again, delamination, I play loud FPS games) or try out the LRS's? I fix the 1.6's with contact cement, magnets, weights, and a rig to hold the wire in place. It usually only costs me time but this would be the 3rd time. They are powered off of an Emotiva XPA-5 Gen1 with a Yamaha RXA-3080 driving them. 33/33/33 movies/games/music. I listen loud. Currently have Emotiva T-1's doing stand in duty everytime something happens to the Maggies. Phantom center since my imaging is awesome with either set of speakers.
I'd stay with the 1.6's since you listen loud. The LRS is a wonderful speaker but it's a small one -- it will play at surprisingly high levels but it starts to sound hard when it does.

The question is why do your wires keep delaminating? Are you using Magenpan's recommended cement, the 30NF?
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Based on the specs, I'd say it should be OK at moderate levels. You'd get more out of an amp that can deliver more current -- these don't come close to doubling power into four ohms -- so they won't give you an idea of what they can do, but they are rated for 120 watts into four ohms and they have a peak rating of 180 watts at 2 ohms, so I don't think they'll melt (the impedance of the LRS drops below 4 ohms). If you aren't pushing them to high volumes I imagine you'll be OK.
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Looking to pick some brains (no I'm not a Zombie ) but I'm interested in the LRS for my bedroom. It's fairly large as far as most bedrooms go at around 2500 cubic ft. Most of my listening is done at low to moderate volumes. I have a nice little 8" sub to fill out the bottom, which has enough output for my listening levels.

I listen to mostly alt rock (Puscifer, Tool, RAGM, Brass Against (awesome BTW), jazz and blues. It's all streamed from Amazon Prime or Google Play. I currently use a pair of NHT SZ2.0s and while they sound good they just don't have any output below 100hz. I'm looking to not have to run the sub to 110hz.

My main concern with the LRS is my power source- https://usa.yamaha.com/products/audi...201/specs.html

Will it be able to adequately power the LRS to moderate listening levels without melting?

I live in Hawaii so I have an extra $150 or so in shipping one way which makes for an expensive test if my receiver can't power them. I don't want to have to drop another $500-$1000 on power for $650 speakers.

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They'll make noise, but you make not be real satisfied with the noise. I'm wondering the same since I'll try it with the Yamaha. These are the same rated efficiency as my Elacs, but I have a hunch I may not be as happy with the low current integrated. I don't know what to say until I try it.
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http://www.magnepan.com/faq#receivers AS 301 I have upstairs.


They'll make noise, but you make not be real satisfied with the noise. I'm wondering the same since I'll try it with the Yamaha. These are the same rated efficiency as my Elacs, but I have a hunch I may not be as happy with the low current integrated. I don't know what to say until I try it.
That would be great if you could try it with that receiver and a pair of Maggies. I'm thinking I might just end up with a better set of box speakers since I don't want to spend a lot on the electronics at this point since it's not my main system.

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That would be great if you could try it with that receiver and a pair of Maggies. I'm thinking I might just end up with a better set of box speakers since I don't want to spend a lot on the electronics at this point since it's not my main system.

I haven't owned a receiver in about 50 years (Marantz 2270), but I'll try it with my Yamaha integrated.
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http://www.magnepan.com/faq#receivers AS 301 I have upstairs.


They'll make noise, but you make not be real satisfied with the noise. I'm wondering the same since I'll try it with the Yamaha. These are the same rated efficiency as my Elacs, but I have a hunch I may not be as happy with the low current integrated. I don't know what to say until I try it.
Steve Gutternburg wasn't happy when he tried it with a receiver, but liked the Vidar and his Pass was even better (surprise).

I was thinking that it would sound OK since he'd be playing it at moderate levels. But it occurs to me that that ignores the quality of the electronics -- Maggies will show up deficiencies in cheap amps!
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I'd stay with the 1.6's since you listen loud. The LRS is a wonderful speaker but it's a small one -- it will play at surprisingly high levels but it starts to sound hard when it does.

The question is why do your wires keep delaminating? Are you using Magenpan's recommended cement, the 30NF?
I used something similar but better recommended by someone who had done a few repairs on the Maggies. It is not my repairs that break per say, I do them by section instead of stripping, cleaning, and redoing the whole panel because I am lazy and lack the carpentry skills to get all those things back in place when they are flailing around. I do spot repairs on sections delaminating, it is previously un-repaired sections that come up.
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I used something similar but better recommended by someone who had done a few repairs on the Maggies. It is not my repairs that break per say, I do them by section instead of stripping, cleaning, and redoing the whole panel because I am lazy and lack the carpentry skills to get all those things back in place when they are flailing around. I do spot repairs on sections delaminating, it is previously un-repaired sections that come up.
OK, that makes sense. I've done spot repairs on my IVA's, but so far, none of the other segments have come loose -- most of the delamination was at the ends.

I think I'd get the kit and do a full rewire of the 1.6's. The LRS's are great, but they just aren't going to play as loud or go as deep as the 1.6's and you listen loud. From what I've seen, you can rewire them in a couple of weekends.

Or if you don't feel comfortable soldering, you could ask Magnepan how much it would cost for Magnepan to rebuild them -- you might be able to get them fixed for what it would cost to buy and ship the LRS's.
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OK, that makes sense. I've done spot repairs on my IVA's, but so far, none of the other segments have come loose -- most of the delamination was at the ends.

I think I'd get the kit and do a full rewire of the 1.6's. The LRS's are great, but they just aren't going to play as loud or go as deep as the 1.6's and you listen loud. From what I've seen, you can rewire them in a couple of weekends.

Or if you don't feel comfortable soldering, you could ask Magnepan how much it would cost for Magnepan to rebuild them -- you might be able to get them fixed for what it would cost to buy and ship the LRS's.
It would cost me $1,100 shipped both ways with repair from Magnepan, I will see how my wife feels continuing to help some more since she is far more patient than me at the arts and crafts portion of this. I do enjoy the dynamics of my Emotiva T1's though, they just look small in the space. Here is a picture of the Maggies in place.
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It would cost me $1,100 shipped both ways with repair from Magnepan, I will see how my wife feels continuing to help some more since she is far more patient than me at the arts and crafts portion of this. I do enjoy the dynamics of my Emotiva T1's though, they just look small in the space. Here is a picture of the Maggies in place.
Yeah, they do look impressive. :-)

You can get a used pair of 1.7's for something like $1200, only a little more than the cost of Magnepan's repair (but that doesn't include shipping). So I think if I were spending that money I'd go for the 1.7's instead of the repair. The 1.7's use the newer adhesive so they should never delaminate.
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Hi guys what do you think about the 1.7i vs 2.7 qr?


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@[email protected] -- It sounds like either you have a bad pair (somebody else also had delamination issues with a fairly new pair) or are just consistently overdriving them. The new patterned traces in the 1.7 models might help control delamination, but frankly my advice would be to either step up to 3.6/3.7's or go with conventional speakers, probably with compression drivers, that are better suited to your usage. My old IIIa's will play louder than I can stand but lots of people can stand much louder than I (time will tell if they also end up fighting tinnitus as they age).

@Raiders4life12 -- The 2.7 or 3.7? The 2.7 is pretty old at this point IIRC. It has a bigger bass panel but I would be inclined to get the 1.7i's and a good sub and call it a day. Or the 3.7i and call it a year... That said I've never heard a 2.7 best I can recall, and only briefly heard the 2.6 that came before. I've always been inclined to save until I could afford one of the true ribbon models (3.x, 20.x, and now 30.x) and skip the "2" series.

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@[email protected] -- It sounds like either you have a bad pair (somebody else also had delamination issues with a fairly new pair) or are just consistently overdriving them. The new patterned traces in the 1.7 models might help control delamination, but frankly my advice would be to either step up to 3.6/3.7's or go with conventional speakers, probably with compression drivers, that are better suited to your usage. My old IIIa's will play louder than I can stand but lots of people can stand much louder than I (time will tell if they also end up fighting tinnitus as they age).



@Raiders4life12 -- The 2.7 or 3.7? The 2.7 is pretty old at this point IIRC. It has a bigger bass panel but I would be inclined to get the 1.7i's and a good sub and call it a day. Or the 3.7i and call it a year... That said I've never heard a 2.7 best I can recall, and only briefly heard the 2.6 that came before. I've always been inclined to save until I could afford one of the true ribbon models (3.x, 20.x, and now 30.x) and skip the "2" series.



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Thanks. What about 3.6r vs 1.7i? 3.6r are a little more expensive but older.


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Thanks. What about 3.6r vs 1.7i? 3.6r are a little more expensive but older.

Guess it depends how old and in what shape the 3.6's are. I don't recall the timeline anymore (mine or theirs ) but I think x.6 speakers were released around 2000 and then the x.7 series around 2010. So a 3.6 can be someplace between 10 and 20 or so years old. Time races by... My MG-IIIa's still work after ~30 years but are out of my system for now. If they are new'ish and in good shape I'd probably get the 3.6's but more likely I'd look for a good used pair of 3.7's. Catch is few owners sell their Maggies so used are hard to find, and you have to be careful about their condition. I had MG-I's for years before I saved enough to get MG-IIIa's -- graduation present to myself (with my wife's help).

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Guess it depends how old and in what shape the 3.6's are. I don't recall the timeline anymore (mine or theirs ) but I think x.6 speakers were released around 2000 and then the x.7 series around 2010. So a 2.6 can be someplace between 10 and 20 or so years old. Time races by... My MG-IIIa's still work after ~30 years but are out of my system for now. If they are new'ish and in good shape I'd probably get the 3.6's but more likely I'd look for a good used pair of 3.7's. Catch is few owners sell their Maggies so used are hard to find, and you have to be careful about their condition. I had MG-I's for years before I saved enough to get MG-IIIa's -- graduation present to myself (with my wife's help).
I think condition is important. Some of the 3.6's may have been made before they switched to the new adhesive, so they may suffer from delamination and need repair. I think all things being equal, I'd choose the 3.6 over the 1.7 -- true ribbon and bigger speaker with higher output and deeper bass -- but I think someone really has to listen because the 1.7 has its own virtues, it has a more uniform sound and that quasi-ribbon clarity/low level performance, and the 3.6's may need repair.
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I just got off of the phone with Eric Norgaarden. My LRSs in cherry trim on black are on order.
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Excellent! Let us know how they sound.

I just ordered a new DAC, but speakers are more fun . . .
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I just ordered a new DAC, but speakers are more fun . . .

Speakers are more fun! Yet another DAC can wait. Another meatier integrated for upstairs will be next.
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Speakers are more fun! Yet another DAC can wait. Another meatier integrated for upstairs will be next.
I admit I'm struggling not to order a pair of LRS's just for the hell of it. I've always wanted to play with surround . . . it would turn my listening room into a speaker forest, but what the hell . . .
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I admit I'm struggling not to order a pair of LRS's just for the hell of it. I've always wanted to play with surround . . . it would turn my listening room into a speaker forest, but what the hell . . .

This will be number 9 (pairs) in here now, but WTF. I like toys and budget toys are even better.
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I just got off of the phone with Eric Norgaarden. My LRSs in cherry trim on black are on order.

Been looking at some magnepan Dealers, they all show LRSs "On Backorder".
Did you get a build,delivery estimate? I know they're busy.
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Been looking at some magnepan Dealers, they all show LRSs "On Backorder".
Did you get a build,delivery estimate? I know they're busy.

Eric said two to three weeks. I already started the process, but held off until I got home from AXPONA so I didn't have speakers sitting on my front porch while I was gone.

And yeah they're busy. Took three days to get through.
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Excellent! Let us know how they sound.

I just ordered a new DAC, but speakers are more fun . . .
Agreed! I have champagne Taste and a Beer Budget. I added my 3rd Dac and it's a budget winner.
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I admit I'm struggling not to order a pair of LRS's just for the hell of it. I've always wanted to play with surround . . . it would turn my listening room into a speaker forest, but what the hell . . .

Speaker forest?...Got 9-Atmos Ceiling and Sides. On the floor,2-hsu vtf2-Mk4Subs, Main Klipsch L/R/C in Hometheater. Then in "Retro" corner a pair of Polk 5JRs. Perched on top the Polks a "cheap thrill" pair of Dayton B652-Airs. On my PC Desktop, another "cheap thrill" DaytonAudio MK-402s (incredible bass from a 4" woofer), and a pair of Kef K-Q100s on the desk. Finally, Desktop has 5.1 with a 10" Polk sub handling the lows. I gotta make room for the LRSs somewhere. Decisions...decision
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Speaker forest?...Got 9-Atmos Ceiling and Sides. On the floor,2-hsu vtf2-Mk4Subs, Main Klipsch L/R/C in Hometheater. Then in "Retro" corner a pair of Polk 5JRs. Perched on top the Polks a "cheap thrill" pair of Dayton B652-Airs. On my PC Desktop, another "cheap thrill" DaytonAudio MK-402s (incredible bass from a 4" woofer), and a pair of Kef K-Q100s on the desk. Finally, Desktop has 5.1 with a 10" Polk sub handling the lows. I gotta make room for the LRSs somewhere. Decisions...decision
Yikes! Here's what I have here, less the third amp and treatment that I've since added. What you can't see is how pathetically small the room is -- the speakers take up almost half of it.
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This will be number 9 (pairs) in here now, but WTF. I like toys and budget toys are even better.
Heh. I have three big pairs here, and four small ones. I'm thinking that if I build my new sound room and end up with a separate theater, I might use LRS's for that . . .
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Yikes! Here's what I have here, less the third amp and treatment that I've since added. What you can't see is how pathetically small the room is -- the speakers take up almost half of it.

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greetings, all. sorry to bother ya. i've been trying to find a way to post a new thread here, and after 20 minutes i gave up. anyway, i'm looking for advice for a new source. my stereo has been in storage for a decade, and it finally was released. of course, the cd player won't work. no idea why. it's a Rega Apollo. yeah, yeah, i know, but it was the best i could do at the time. and i didn't have Maggies then. but things are okay now; to celebrate, i bought a pair of 3.7i's a month ago. i was planning on replacing the Rega anyway, because i always felt it was the weak link in the system, but still, i'm pretty p!ss'd that it won't sense the disc. so i would be interested to hear any recommendations on sources since i couldn't listen to music for the last decade. fyi, i'm 64, hearing isn't what it used to be (LOL), the word 'warm' makes me cringe. source will run to an ARC Ref 3, into a Bryston 4BSST2, into brand new Maggie 3.7i's. thanks for any help and advice y'all can give me. sorry if this should be in a dedicated thread
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