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I know what you mean about picking through music collections. Thanks for narrowing down your choices and coming up with some nice selections to listen to.
Don't have Tidal, but sampled the tracks you suggested on Amazon Music. I look forward to an A/B between my Klipsch WF-35 Towers and the Magnepan LRS.

One final thought, any emails or credit card hits today for some lucky LRS customers here?...I hope so

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Nope, just checked CC account.

"Klipsch WF-35 Towers and the Magnepan LRS"

That's as extreme a contrast as I've ever heard of.

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Not particularly, though the ribbon dips a little lower in impedance (but still modest phase angle so not a hard load).


So now I am torn because I already placed an order for 1.7i but I found a used pair of 3.7 (not i) but it’s a long drive to pick them up.


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So now I am torn because I already placed an order for 1.7i but I found a used pair of 3.7 (not i) but it’s a long drive to pick them up.


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I'd go for the 3.7's if they are in good shape and the drive is not more than a day or so. Or have them shipped (probably a couple hundred dollars). Not like you'll have to make the drive again... That assumes you have the room for them and all that jazz. I think the 3.x is a big step from the 1.x models but opinions vary.
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So now I am torn because I already placed an order for 1.7i but I found a used pair of 3.7 (not i) but it’s a long drive to pick them up.


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I listened to the 1.7 vs. 3.7 in three different stores in three different states. The 3.7 sounded far better - more open in the midrange, better/lower bass in each instance. I bought the 3.7s used. In our newly set up room (16' x 23') they don't have quite as much deep bass as I heard in the stores, but I'm not using $8,000-$12,000 worth of amplification. Just an Anthem MCA-225. But even that modest amp made a big difference to just using my Anthem receiver to power them while saving money for the amp. And better still when we laid carpet. All elements matter.
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Nope, just checked CC account.

"Klipsch WF-35 Towers and the Magnepan LRS"

That's as extreme a contrast as I've ever heard of.
Yup, even more than mine will be, as I have RP Klipsch that are a lot more neutral than previous Klipsch. I looked those up, and they are "Icon" speakers, and presumably pretty bright.
I am 1/3 of the way on buying speakers I want to experiment with, the JBL monitors I was eying went on sale. Hopefully get the LRS by the end of summer. Chane is more nebulous.

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I'd go for the 3.7's if they are in good shape and the drive is not more than a day or so. Or have them shipped (probably a couple hundred dollars). Not like you'll have to make the drive again... That assumes you have the room for them and all that jazz. I think the 3.x is a big step from the 1.x models but opinions vary.


The most I can give them is about 3.5-4ft from front wall sitting 6-7 feet away with maybe a foot or so from side walls


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Not particularly, though the ribbon dips a little lower in impedance (but still modest phase angle so not a hard load).
I have 1.6 and I was thinking of upgrading to 3.7's. I'm using Threshold350e to drive the 1.6. My dealer told me probably not enough juice/headroom to use with 3.7. i would either need to get a beefier amp or bi-amp. Hogwash recommendation?

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Yup, even more than mine will be, as I have RP Klipsch that are a lot more neutral than previous Klipsch. I looked those up, and they are "Icon" speakers, and presumably pretty bright.
I am 1/3 of the way on buying speakers I want to experiment with, the JBL monitors I was eying went on sale. Hopefully get the LRS by the end of summer. Chane is more nebulous.

I'm starting to think that this is what's gonna happen to me. It'd be nice if they ship soon as I would like to get them before the end of the summer.
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The most I can give them is about 3.5-4ft from front wall sitting 6-7 feet away with maybe a foot or so from side walls


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That will be OK. You may end up damping the wall behind for better imaging. Side wall interaction with panels is minimal.

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I have 1.6 and I was thinking of upgrading to 3.7's. I'm using Threshold350e to drive the 1.6. My dealer told me probably not enough juice/headroom to use with 3.7. i would either need to get a beefier amp or bi-amp. Hogwash recommendation?

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Wow, a nice old Threshold Stasis amp? 150 W/ch into 8 ohms, 300 W into 4 ohms -- if that is not enough your dealer is deaf. Or you are in an arena someplace.

You can't bi-amp 3.7's AFAIK -- they removed that option. I bi-amped for many years and, while it was nice, I would probably not do it again. Too much hassle and cost for too little (almost negligible) improvement.

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I'm starting to think that this is what's gonna happen to me. It'd be nice if they ship soon as I would like to get them before the end of the summer.


Yep, waiting on Magnepan Delivery reminds me of the Film and Song..."The Long Hot Summer"...
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So I called a dealer and regarding the 3.7 he said our room 11x17x7 would not be big enough to do them justice. Any truth to this?


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So I called a dealer and regarding the 3.7 he said our room 11x17x7 would not be big enough to do them justice. Any truth to this?


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I would tend to agree. I think you need a narrower panel for it to image right. I'm in 16 x 19 x 7 1/2' and I bitch about it being too small.
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I would rather have 3.7 than lower models if I had amp and room for setup. I have seen alot of youtube vids of 3.7 in what I deem small space and owners love em...like only 4 ft out from wall and mlp only 5-6 ft in front of panels.

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asked nad tech support if my bridged nads would work with new LRS...got expected answer but hopefully we will see 1st hand soon....


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Thank you for contacting the NAD Electronics Support Crew!

Your two bridged NAD 275BEE power amplifiers will provide more than enough power to drive these Magnepan ribbon speakers.

You can also check Magnepans FAQ page for a little bit of info on amplifier power:

https://www.magnepan.com/faq#power

I hope this helps! Please let me know if I can help with any other questions or concerns.

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Wow, a nice old Threshold Stasis amp? 150 W/ch into 8 ohms, 300 W into 4 ohms -- if that is not enough your dealer is deaf. Or you are in an arena someplace.



You can't bi-amp 3.7's AFAIK -- they removed that option. I bi-amped for many years and, while it was nice, I would probably not do it again. Too much hassle and cost for too little (almost negligible) improvement.



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Had to dbl check but it is the Stasis. I believe the first 15 or 30W is Class A. I forget. I was skeptical when my dealer said there wouldn't be enough headroom for rock music. Maybe in a couple of years after saving more for the kiddos college I can think of upgrading to 3.7's again.

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[QUOTE=Raiders4life12;57999172]So I called a dealer and regarding the 3.7 he said our room 11x17x7 would not be big enough to do them justice. Any truth to this?

I would question this. Obviously there is room interaction with all speakers. But I would bet a nickel the bigger old 20.1s would sound great in your room. And, yes, better than the 3.7s. Why would speaker size make a discernible difference with room geometry? This is not a subjective question but an objective question.

I would expect room interaction to be more about first reflection points and overall damping. Not the physical dimensions of the speaker. Take care of the room and any speaker you get will sound better. My old 3.6s are still the best music speakers I have had in my room. (which has its own size peculiarities - 22x24x8). And I have had many speakers in and out for comparison.

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Im looking forward to through some watts at these LRS and see what they can do in 20k cuft....not expecting much, but if they can roll with my focals I will say so without a doubt....

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So I called a dealer and regarding the 3.7 he said our room 11x17x7 would not be big enough to do them justice. Any truth to this?

I would question this. Obviously there is room interaction with all speakers. But I would bet a nickel the bigger old 20.1s would sound great in your room. And, yes, better than the 3.7s. Why would speaker size make a discernible difference with room geometry? This is not a subjective question but an objective question.

I would expect room interaction to be more about first reflection points and overall damping. Not the physical dimensions of the speaker. Take care of the room and any speaker you get will sound better. My old 3.6s are still the best music speakers I have had in my room. (which has its own size peculiarities - 22x24x8). And I have had many speakers in and out for comparison.

In this case the physical dimensions of the speaker are essentially the physical dimensions of the drivers. A pair of 30s is about 3 feet wider than 20s, which are nearly a full foot wider than 3s, which are nearly a foot wider than 1s. For the first reflection points that's a meaningful distance in the room that they're shifted, as well as a meaningful difference in the size of the reflection point itself. If the ideal is 10-12ms of delay off the first reflection point space adds up quickly- 5-6 feet per side for the delay, for 20s the 5 feet of panel themselves, plus the actual distance between the speakers. You can certainly get great sound at less than the "ideal", but the question is how tight can you squeeze it?

The other thing would be a possible increase in the distance required for the different drivers to be coherent. On the 1s the tweeter is on the same mylar as the other drivers, side by side. On the true ribbon models there's a strip of trim separating the drivers.
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Im looking forward to through some watts at these LRS and see what they can do in 20k cuft....not expecting much, but if they can roll with my focals I will say so without a doubt....

If you're nearfield enough you probably are ok.
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If you're nearfield enough you probably are ok.

thats what Im hoping...going to be fun adjusting everything.

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Best not ask me as I have a history of cramming big speakers into small'ish rooms. I had a pair of MG-IIIa's plus a CC3 and four MC-1's for surrounds and rears in a room not much bigger. Now I have six Revel Salon2s and a Voice2 in the same room. There is still plenty of room to enter and walk around the couch so obviously I could go bigger.

To me, the three-way designs with the ribbon tweeter are a significant step up in performance, plus of course you get the extra bass area. The speakers do not interact much with the side walls, unlike conventional speakers, so are actually more forgiving. I typically damp the back wave, especially in a smaller room (as I have now), to reduce comb filter effects (I hate that). That way I can place them closer to the wall behind without issue.

For a small room and short distance to the speakers I prefer to position them with the tweeters on the inside. You can try both ways and see.

Maggies, and most planars (nod to Scott), sound just incredible in the near field. To me it gets old after a while, but the immense "presence" and impact is amazing.

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Best not ask me as I have a history of cramming big speakers into small'ish rooms. I had a pair of MG-IIIa's plus a CC3 and four MC-1's for surrounds and rears in a room not much bigger. Now I have six Revel Salon2s and a Voice2 in the same room. There is still plenty of room to enter and walk around the couch so obviously I could go bigger.

To me, the three-way designs with the ribbon tweeter are a significant step up in performance, plus of course you get the extra bass area. The speakers do not interact much with the side walls, unlike conventional speakers, so are actually more forgiving. I typically damp the back wave, especially in a smaller room (as I have now), to reduce comb filter effects (I hate that). That way I can place them closer to the wall behind without issue.

For a small room and short distance to the speakers I prefer to position them with the tweeters on the inside. You can try both ways and see.

Maggies, and most planars (nod to Scott), sound just incredible in the near field. To me it gets old after a while, but the immense "presence" and impact is amazing.
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Regressing to childhood? My wife could probably comment on that... Unfortunately that's only a mental thing, the body still ages, just ask my shoulder and knees...
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I meant what gets old about the soundstage as a result (mostly) of nearfield? I never get tired of that. I just get tired of getting it there.
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I meant what gets old about the soundstage as a result (mostly) of nearfield? I never get tired of that. I just get tired of getting it there.
Ah.

It's kind of like sitting on stage versus being in the audience. Really impressive and enveloping on stage, but a bit overwhelming, and to me the sound doesn't really coalesce to provide a good/deep stereo image and sound stage. There are also times (too many, alas) when I am doing something else and the music/movie is more background sound. I am sitting pretty close to my speakers now but like to be a little back so they can "breathe" a little and I don't feel so closed-in. Mty main L/R speakers are about 8' away and they are about 8' apart, the classic equilateral triangle positioning. The sides are pretty close; I moved them forward a bit to get a little space for walking around the room and the sound is better (having Salon2's in the "headphone" position is a bit overwhelming).

In the past I used a director's chair and had placed tape on the floor to adjust the speakers for my "near-field" and "far-field" (more like "less near-field") listening positions. I would like to do that again, but that was pretty much "a system for one", and my present room won't permit it (not enough room and need the couch for when others are in the room). Might still do it. The other issue is the room really benefits from correction and my processor only allows one selection so I would have to spend a few minutes to upload a different file for "one" and "many" positions.

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It's kind of like sitting on stage versus being in the audience. Really impressive and enveloping on stage, but a bit overwhelming, and to me the sound doesn't really coalesce to provide a good/deep stereo image and sound stage. There are also times (too many, alas) when I am doing something else and the music/movie is more background sound. I am sitting pretty close to my speakers now but like to be a little back so they can "breathe" a little and I don't feel so closed-in. Mty main L/R speakers are about 8' away and they are about 8' apart, the classic equilateral triangle positioning. The sides are pretty close; I moved them forward a bit to get a little space for walking around the room and the sound is better (having Salon2's in the "headphone" position is a bit overwhelming).

In the past I used a director's chair and had placed tape on the floor to adjust the speakers for my "near-field" and "far-field" (more like "less near-field") listening positions. I would like to do that again, but that was pretty much "a system for one", and my present room won't permit it (not enough room and need the couch for when others are in the room). Might still do it. The other issue is the room really benefits from correction and my processor only allows one selection so I would have to spend a few minutes to upload a different file for "one" and "many" positions.
I do the 'other' type of position with the Elacs upstairs, but downstairs, even as close as I sit, I never felt that it's like headphones. I get soundstage starting at what I feel is about 7 - 10' behind the speakers to what feels like a 100' feet or so (well recorded pipe organ). Unless material is hard panned to one channel like an early Beatles album, one would never think there's anything at all 'coming out' of the speakers. They could just as well be potted plants. It's the most common newb question that someone will ask me why 'these' aren't on and I tell them to go put their ear up against the speaker. Of course I cheat because I know exactly what to play and what few not to play so this will happen. To tease it a little more, I'll start by playing something where its an 'audio orb' with an instrument or voice completely outside the right and left boundaries of the speakers so that it appears 90+ degrees to the side. Some are completely floored by this and some are oblivious to any soundstage. I'd like to hear and process through their ears and head to understand why.
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To be clear, the sound from the Maggies was never like headphones, did not mean to imply that. There's a soundstage, but it is "all around", up close and personal. Sometimes I like that effect, sometimes not. As for "headphones", I was just speaking of the Salon2's physical presence and having them right by my head (sort-of). The MC-1's were on the walls and thin so did not have the physical impact of the Salon2s. I have not actually tried sitting closer with my Revels, guess I should do that at some point. Darn you, more experiments!

What is amazing is just how much the sound changes as you move from maybe eight to twelve feet away up to four to six feet. Someplace in there a sort of "transformation" occurs and you are "inside" the orchestra (band, guitar, cello, organ, whatever). Everybody should try sitting closer to their Maggies at some point to see what they think. Then you can work to get that effect, or similar at a more normal distance. Or just sit between them, or nearly so, a position I am now going to call "The Scott Position (TSP) (c)" in your honor.

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To be clear, the sound from the Maggies was never like headphones, did not mean to imply that. There's a soundstage, but it is "all around", up close and personal. Sometimes I like that effect, sometimes not. As for "headphones", I was just speaking of the Salon2's physical presence and having them right by my head (sort-of). The MC-1's were on the walls and thin so did not have the physical impact of the Salon2s. I have not actually tried sitting closer with my Revels, guess I should do that at some point. Darn you, more experiments!

What is amazing is just how much the sound changes as you move from maybe eight to twelve feet away up to four to six feet. Someplace in there a sort of "transformation" occurs and you are "inside" the orchestra (band, guitar, cello, organ, whatever). Everybody should try sitting closer to their Maggies at some point to see what they think. Then you can work to get that effect, or similar at a more normal distance. Or just sit between them, or nearly so, a position I am now going to call "The Scott Position (TSP) (c)" in your honor.
"There's a soundstage, but it is "all around", up close and personal"

I don't get that unless I'm sitting directly between them and then on certain recordings I will have objects in front and behind me so then the 'in the orchestra' feeling. Works the same by turning around and sit in the same spot facing the back of the room. I have actually blocked off the front wave entirely, and sitting where I normally sit I still have the sound stage and most of the perspective just from the back wave. I lose some of the sharpness and focus so the front direct wave is contributing. However, these radiate 30 degrees horizontally and I'm 70 - 80 degrees off axis so strange things running amok around here.

What I do get sitting where I normally sit is a 'live big band from the 3rd or 4th row' perspective with every instrument occupying its own distinct space on stage, but with the sound stage very wide just like viewing a live big band sitting in the 3rd or 4th row, but generally, no hole in the center, and objects near center realistically sized. That mean no vocalists with mouths two feet wide.

As I've said a number of times, this is where my grandfather like to sit (actually, more like 8 - 10th row) when he'd take me as a snot faced little loud mouth punk of the age of three starting in 1947. But still, an instrument in the back still sounded like it was a long ways away. So this is the perspective I was raised with and the perspective I try to recreate and mostly do after lots of effort getting there. And sure, all recordings are unique and some or many 'do it' and some don't, and a few are just spectacular.

I'm really really curious to get the LRSs here so I can start experimenting. At AXPONA in secret room 544, I heard Wendell get his demo set to where I could hear some of the magic I'm looking for so I'll see if I can get them the rest of the way. I'll start them out exactly where the MLs are and noodle and nudge from there, and also do measurements on the fresh set.

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So I called a dealer and regarding the 3.7 he said our room 11x17x7 would not be big enough to do them justice. Any truth to this?
IIRC correctly, HP of The Absolute Sound had his Infinity IRS Vs in a fairly small room. That four piece system was truly enormous! I’m out of state so I don’t have access to my library of old TAS copies but I’m sure Harry Pearson had a diagram with the dimensions of that listening room, and I’m positive it was smaller than yours.

This YouTube link is of an interview of Paul McGowan of PS Audio by John Atkinson sitting in front of a wonderfully updated IRS system.


11x17x7 is not too small a room for the 3.7

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