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I have slowly been going thru this playlist by B&W with the lrs...with my focals I cant recall any issues...with the lrs I have found quite a few annoying songs. https://tidal.com/browse/playlist/ab...a-c24fa8e6c521


the johnny cash song has a guitar that plays same material out of both channels same time while johnny's guitar played in space with his vocals....it drives me nuts hearing that other guitar out of left and right speakers....guess this is mono recording? i dont know....does anyone else hear what Im describing? https://tidal.com/browse/track/3291411
When something is hard panned all the way left or right, you'll know it when you have speakers out in the room like this. Your Focals will do the same if placed similarly. Listen to an old Beatles albums and you'll really see what I mean. Overall, in the genres I listen to, it's generally not an issue, but when I hear this, I move on to something else as its unlistenable.
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Im way back from LRS....thats as loud as I go. thats good 20ft from front wall.
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Im way back from LRS....thats as loud as I go. thats good 20ft from front wall.

I guess you need the new 30.7s for that size room !!!!

What happens with the soundstage and imaging when you're that far away from the front wall?
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scott you have any specific tracks that emphasize overhead or behind ya from 2 channel? only track I remember from behind was from the fugees but forget...I hear the stuff many times, just dont know the maker of the music lol.

the fugees song was demo'd to me in my house by the installer so I remember that from dealer demonstration in my home with my focals.
Dave Gillmore's Gdansk IIRC had some overhead antics going on.

Although not on Tidal, the Jen Chapin, Revisions on Chesky has some hilariously out of the 'box' imaging tricks with the sax way over to your left several feet past the left side speaker.



Lots of my electronica on Tidal has stuff going on around and above on the MLs. I haven't listened to all that much of this yet on the LRSs, although I can't think of specific examples until I run across it again.

My geezer memory is spectacularly able to forget exactly exactly what
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Im way back from LRS....thats as loud as I go. thats good 20ft from front wall.
I'm wondering if you have these too far apart?
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I guess you need the new 30.7s for that size room !!!!

What happens with the soundstage and imaging when you're that far away from the front wall?

it turns into what my focals are...which is very good ...the center image stays locked in, but lose the pinpoint accuracy. it still sounds great throughout my 1st floor, but the intricacies are gone. they are great speakers.

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I'm wondering if you have these too far apart?

maybe...I just switched to tweeers on inside...so almost a week with them here. they 8ft 1 inch from mlp/tweeters and about 7ft 8 inches apart I think.

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when tweeters on outside I had them closer together.

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Dave Gillmore's Gdansk IIRC had some overhead antics going on.

Although not on Tidal, the Jen Chapin, Revisions on Chesky has some hilariously out of the 'box' imaging tricks with the sax way over to your left several feet past the left side speaker.



Lots of my electronica on Tidal has stuff going on around and above on the MLs. I haven't listened to all that much of this yet on the LRSs, although I can't think of specific examples until I run across it again.

My geezer memory is spectacularly able to forget exactly exactly what
I must be doing something right...I too get the exact same sax sound you described while playing Chesky CD
It's incredible!!!
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it turns into what my focals are...which is very good ...the center image stays locked in, but lose the pinpoint accuracy. it still sounds great throughout my 1st floor, but the intricacies are gone. they are great speakers.

Some stuff is pinpoint and some isn't supposed to be. A proper orchestral recording with mass strings will sound like mass strings, but a triangle or piccolo, etc., should shine through as a point source. Same thing with a soloist cello. It shou dbe a clearly defined object versus the rest of the strings, which aren't. Again, I'm trying to think of a good example.

Ok, here's one

https://tidal.com/browse/album/56424580

Another. This is soloist in a big reverberant space

https://tidal.com/browse/album/109120527

Another one with the soloists in approximately the same plane as the orchestra.

https://tidal.com/browse/album/90368605

Please pardon all the hop hip and dance music I'm sending your way. This is, no schiit, what I frequently listen to.

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I must be doing something right...I too get the exact same sax sound you described while playing Chesky CD
It's incredible!!!

Listen to the Fender Rhodes on this almost directly to your left

https://tidal.com/browse/track/95363398

And yeah, I like Jamaican Dub too. Its time for a big fat blunt!

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Scott, how are you liking the LRS speakers by now?

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Some stuff is pinpoint and some isn't supposed to be. A proper orchestral recording with mass strings will sound like mass strings, but a triangle or piccolo, etc., should shine through as a point source. Same thing with a soloist cello. It should be a clearly defined object versus the rest of the strings, which aren't. Again, I'm trying to think of a good example.

Very much depends upon the source. Recorded using a simple stereo XY/ORTF/whatever pair, you can get that, assuming reflections and other things aren't trashing the image (yes, I have stories, but not the thread for them). Multichannel multi-mic systems all bets are off. If the mics are out in the audience to catch ambience, should still hold true. On stage, a different story. If everything was phased and leveled to the front like we hear, it would stay pin-point. But, often multichannel mixes are used to bring out certain sections and "put you on stage" in the middle of the group. That can smear those pin-point sources around in the mix and ultimately in your ears on playback.

One reason I don't complain about Scott's musical additions to these threads -- always looking for great material. Not sure on the hip-hop, though...

Also why I did not like Bose 901s and some other omnis. Impressive big wide stage but just not real, 9' violins and triangles spread across the entire stage.

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Scott, how are you liking the LRS speakers by now?

Still very much do, but its an ear opener going back down stairs to the MLs after a long period of the Magnepans. I gotta get time to get the maggies back down there again and replace one with the other a few times. Do I have a preference? Hell if I know.

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Very much depends upon the source. Recorded using a simple stereo XY/ORTF/whatever pair, you can get that, assuming reflections and other things aren't trashing the image (yes, I have stories, but not the thread for them). Multichannel multi-mic systems all bets are off. If the mics are out in the audience to catch ambience, should still hold true. On stage, a different story. If everything was phased and leveled to the front like we hear, it would stay pin-point. But, often multichannel mixes are used to bring out certain sections and "put you on stage" in the middle of the group. That can smear those pin-point sources around in the mix and ultimately in your ears on playback.

One reason I don't complain about Scott's musical additions to these threads -- always looking for great material. Not sure on the hip-hop, though...

Also why I did not like Bose 901s and some other omnis. Impressive big wide stage but just not real, 9' violins and triangles spread across the entire stage.

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I thought you're a hop hip 'artist'? No? Are you still hip? Can you still hop? Oh well, welcome to old age.
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I thought you're a hop hip 'artist'? No? Are you still hip? Can you still hop? Oh well, welcome to old age.
Hip Hop...hmm. Judging by the Trumpet in DonH50's avatar I'd say he's a cool jazzman. Miles?...Chet?...Dizzy? Harry James or Al Hirt?
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@Scotth3886 : Hip no longer hops...

@sgibson : I do like them, but also big band, and played in our local community orchestra for many years. Sat in one of Dizzy's masterclasses ages ago, what a great guy (and awesome player). I still rememeber how he closed the session: "May your horn be hot and your sound be cool."
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@Scotth3886 : Hip no longer hops...

@sgibson : I do like them, but also big band, and played in our local community orchestra for many years. Sat in one of Dizzy's masterclasses ages ago, what a great guy (and awesome player). I still rememeber how he closed the session: "May your horn be hot and your sound be cool."
Awesome Don,
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Hi All,
Adding a Hsu Bass Optimizer I can set the Magnepan LRSs to crossover at 80Hz at -12dB with infrasonic control at 22Hz.
This will direct the low Bass to the Hsu VTF2-Mk4 12" powered sub and should take any stress from the Planar Quasi Ribbons reproducing the low bass. I ran my system by Hsu Support and they said this will work fine. What are your thoughts?

1st Choice: Hsu Research Bass Optimizer (good match for Hsu VTF2-Mk4 Subwoofer)
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/bass-optimizer.html

2nd choice: Rolls SX45 Stereo Two-Way Mini Crossover w/Sub Output
https://www.parts-express.com/rolls-...tput--245-1184

(Both are 12dB rolloff, but don't wish to spend more to get a Linkwitz-Riley 24dB Unit, the Hsu has a 22Hz infrasonic filter too.)
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Connected between Emotiva PT-100 PreAmp and Emotiva A300 Amp.
Subwoofer Direct Out from PreAmp into Hsu VTF2-Mk4 Input with
Hsu crossover at 80Hz.

With the hybrid tuning options of the Hsu Subwoofer, this will take some time to blend in with Magnepan LRSs.

When I was considering choice of (budget)subwoofers, I came across this review.
Thought I'd share it...of interest is matching to Magnepans.

"The main loudspeakers in the 7.1-channel system are all Magnepan, with the main stereo signal directed to 20.7s and the four surrounds comprised of two 3.7s and two 1.7s plus Magnepan’s tri-center CCR/MMC 2s array for the center signal. The
single VTF-2 MK4 replaced the three Bag End INFRA D18E-1 subwoofers for this evaluation."
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pointed spikes: Coupling or isolating?

Hi. My friend and I are in disagreement; please help settle this one.

He believes that using spikes between his speakers and the floor will help to isolate them from the floor (apparently thinking that by minimizing the surface area touching the floor, this will help to isolate the speakers). I believe that the spikes will increase coupling to the floor, by virtue of vastly increased pressure per square inch at the interface. Oddly enough, we both agree that soft rubber balls would greatly isolate....Help?

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I am thinking of buying something to replace the function of the hinge type rotatable stand?? thinking some kind of rubber feet should work. or maybe a way to glue that hinge foot in place....I move the lrs few times each day and just looking for fixed solution.

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what is the idea behind the resistors that came with lrs? any specific info on when/why to use them and measurement wise what they do? think mine came with 2 or 3 of em, is it trial and error? any video/review on em?

@Scotth3886 I did a bunch of listening with lrs closer together and any improvement is overshadowed by them getting in my sightlines to the tv. I dont care for that.

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what is the idea behind the resistors that came with lrs? any specific info on when/why to use them and measurement wise what they do? think mine came with 2 or 3 of em, is it trial and error? any video/review on em?

@Scotth3886 I did a bunch of listening with lrs closer together and any improvement is overshadowed by them getting in my sightlines to the tv. I dont care for that.
This is why I'd likely not do 1.7s in here. I watch very little TV other than maybe tornado warnings or other local emergencies, but I need to be able to see the TV from the kitchen or anywhere else on this floor.
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what is the idea behind the resistors that came with lrs? any specific info on when/why to use them and measurement wise what they do? think mine came with 2 or 3 of em, is it trial and error? any video/review on em?

@Scotth3886 I did a bunch of listening with lrs closer together and any improvement is overshadowed by them getting in my sightlines to the tv. I dont care for that.
torii,

The resistors provided are to attenuate any too bright sounding treble. Two values are given to lower treble by either 1ohm or 2 ohms.
Being an older guy (not much above 8K for me) I prefer any sparkle and sizzle sounds I can get, so no need for lowering the treble for me.
Love the Magnepan LRSs as are
See attached copy of sheet which should have come in your Magnepan box.
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oh to reduce treble....I was thinking maybe I would try if it increased. gonna try tone controls and see what they can offer. my lrs roll off hard in my space at 13k...very easy speaker to listen to all day everyday.

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The LRS is on the cover of the new Stereophile I got last week. Haven't read it yet, still about a month or two behind.

Gotta' plug a new CD from a friend: https://www.boptism.com/down-and-dirty/
https://rootsmusicreport.com/charts/...re/jazz/weekly

Pretty killer modern big band sound, though I admit I've been listening more to the music than the gear.

Disclaimer: I know Rich and have at least met most of the rest of the guys on this album.
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The LRS is on the cover of the new Stereophile I got last week. Haven't read it ye, still about a month or two behind.

Gotta' plug a new CD from a friend: https://www.boptism.com/down-and-dirty/
https://rootsmusicreport.com/charts/...re/jazz/weekly

Pretty killer modern big band sound, though I admit I've been listening more to the music than the gear.

Disclaimer: I know Rich and have at least met most of the rest of the guys on this album.
Ohhh that sounds good. Download when I get back.
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The LRS is on the cover of the new Stereophile I got last week. Haven't read it ye, still about a month or two behind.

Gotta' plug a new CD from a friend: https://www.boptism.com/down-and-dirty/
https://rootsmusicreport.com/charts/...re/jazz/weekly

Pretty killer modern big band sound, though I admit I've been listening more to the music than the gear.

Disclaimer: I know Rich and have at least met most of the rest of the guys on this album.
Its on Tidal

https://tidal.com/browse/album/110588238
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Many 'tanks' to you too Just make them small enough that they'll fit in your garage.
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