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1) Seriously consider shipping them.

Thank you Vlad, I adjusted the ad.

BTW, is WAF Wife Acceptance Factor ? If so, that would be no problem here. Rather, I don't have identical background (left speaker has a 4ft Amazonia fishtank behind it) resulting in higher trebles from L.
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has any lrs owners messed with aftermarket stands? I havent and really enjoy just stock. but my mind see's a possible benefit of elevation....dam they sound great in my space just as is.
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has any lrs owners messed with aftermarket stands? I havent and really enjoy just stock. but my mind see's a possible benefit of elevation....dam they sound great in my space just as is.
torii is that ...you with your "Mornin' Joe"..??
Oops, sorry that's A NIGHT OWL and your'e an EAGLE

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It is not enough to have a good DAC, you also have to use a good power cable, digital and analog interconnects. But rarely audiophiles pay any attention to USB ports on their MediaServers or HTPC computers. That doesnt make sense: paying two grand for a USB cable that feeds data from a two cent PCI USB board with active components with dirty internal power and far inferior Chinese capacitors , inductors and relays.
I have been interested in audiophile alternatives, how much difference they would make.
1) Matrix H, $250.
2) SOtM tx-USBexp, $350.
3) JCAT Femto, $500.
4) Pink Faun USB Bridge, $370.
As you can see there are good DAC that cost as much as these. So, what are the cheaper alternatives that have better parts in the USB board and the port but wouldn't drive us into the poor house (what is a poor house, BTW? I have never seen one!)

This Elfidelity AFX-100 USB isolator board. It has much better Japanese components and allows an external 5V power connection instead of using internal motherboard power feed. The component it replaces - the one that came with the ASUS media server - is exactly one inch large cube, yes, that small.

Specs:
  • Automatic power switching speed: <5ms
  • Ripple factor: <1Hz
  • Japanese capacitors
  • Shielded Inductors from TDK
  • Japanese HP Relays from Takamisawa
  • External low noise linear power option


The best part of the spec is the price - just $50!

At first it killed my MediaServer. Twice! Finally I managed to resuscitate the PC . The first impression is that the DAC is 30% quieter. That is no problem, I can double, even triple the signal gain in the processor for any given input. I added a few dB. Immediately, it sounded too loud. I brought the gain back to 0dB (no adjustment). It was obvious that the signal was not quieter, it was free of distortion and that is what it sounds like, softer, not quieter. The other side of it was a bit more upper bass with fleshier vocals and instruments. But unpleasant highs, like spots of white instead of crash of cymbals for example.
But I have to be careful here - both the Elfidelity card and the WireWorld Silver Eclipse 7 XLRs were added today, so the improvement could be due to either or both (or neither, which means it was 100% imagined).
An external 5V power supply for the USB card arrives Sat. It will be connected to that tiny hole in the card next to the green light.
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Im excited...after 3+ months...

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Outstanding! When is it arriving?

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[QUOTE=sgibson;58314788]Hi All,

I sent email to Hsu Support,

"...As Steve Guttenberg said in a review of Hsu VTF-1 MK2 he preferred clean, highly defined Bass for Music Listening.
Tech Support replied..."You can try one port open, EQ2, Q 0.3."

To update my earlier post re: Hsu Subwoofer:

Widescreen Review, has been- June/July 2013.
http://www.hsuresearch.com/reviews/vtf2mk4WSR-177.pdf
"...I evaluated the VTF-2 MK4 using bass management in the
crossover-bypass mode (using an 80-Hz crossover in our Classé
controller tuned to the “small” designated surround Magnepan loudspeakers in our reference system). The VTF-2 MK 4 was connected to the Classé Audio SSP-880 Controller via a single-ended RCA connector from the subwoofer pre out to the input on the subwoofer and used the bass-management capability of the pre/pro.

Thus, the Classé was used to merge any .1 LFE with the bass from the other
seven loudspeakers and manage the delay of all loudspeakers and
the subwoofer through a distance/time delay function.
I positioned the subwoofer near my sweet spot listening position,
not in a corner.
I also used an SPL (sound-pressure level) meter to adjust levels. I
set the Q level (Qtc) at the preferred 0.5 in the sealed (both ports)
configuration (EQ2) to achieve a “critically damped” alignment with a
step response that has no overshoot. The total Q of the system (Qtc)
has a big effect on measured performance, and ultimately on what
you hear. Qtc defines the shape of the response curve and the
amount of damping to overshoot or ringing (oscillation after the signal
stops) that the system will provide
With music, the sound from the VTF-2 MK4 was exceptionally tight and tuneful,
with superb pitch definition and flawless rendering of the rhythm and pace of music.
The ability to deliver bass detail and articulation, and punch and snap is excellent on music and percussion..."

I also found this recommended Sound & Vision recording 2018 review..."One of my favorite music tracks for testing subs is “Flight of the Cosmic Hippo” by Béla Fleck and The Flecktones. Bassist Victor Wooten's solo, played on a five-string fretless Fodera bass, has him moving up and down the scale and reaching incredibly deep notes. Any discontinuity between your main speakers and the subwoofer is instantly heard, and only a tight, fast sub can sound tuneful..."
So, using my Hsu VTF2-Mk4 Subwoofer setup suggested by Kevin Hsu: Left Port Closed, Q Control=1, EQ=3, Phase=0, Hsu Bass Optimizer at 12dB Xover=80Hz(Fixed)to Magnepan LRSs, Volume=9-O'clock. My Emotiva PT-100 Pre and 300W/4ohm Amp I cranked up “Flight of the Cosmic Hippo”. For me it's the perfect blend of Bass for 2.1 channel Stereo. End result on my 2.1 is tight, deep but musical (No Thumping) Bass. Wow...wow...wow!

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Happy for you torii...if we "gotta honker down"...we got lots of things to be thankful for, including good audio and Music
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Outstanding! When is it arriving?

who knows...DHL says its in hong kong going to phoenix.
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who knows...DHL says its in hong kong going to phoenix.
Like the old Glen Campbell song

"...By the time it gets to phoenix torii be happy..."
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torii, look forward to your "hands On" review
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torii, look forward to your "hands On" review
torii,

Steve Guttenberg agrees with your choice of Denafrips Ares II:

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torii,

Steve Guttenberg agrees with your choice of Denafrips Ares II:

https://youtu.be/x32kMm6E4Pg
VINSHINE Audio, Denafrips Ares II

I recall that once designed, the specs of the Boeing 747 said shouldn't fly...but, millions of air miles later, it still does!
The measured specs of the Denafrips Ares II Dac says it shouldn't sound as good as Chip Dacs, but it sounds even better! (My cheap desktop 8W/Ch Chinese tube amp would probably measure terrible, but my ears say otherwise.)

That said, (Thank you torii and Steve G.) just added the ARES II to my wish list, when this craziness we are having is done! Currently much longer wait time then I had ordering Maggie LRSs. But, it'll be worth it.

The web site is very informative: https://www.denafrips.com/single-pos...-Configuration

Disclaimer: No, I don't get paid by or work for torii, Steve Guttenberg or Denafrips
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I havent listened to denafrips dacs yet..but I am excited to...I own 6 dacs or so over 20years time frame. I will report back when I get to listen...reviews seem good.
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Most movies I watch happened to be released between the 1920s and 1950s, they are mono and black and white. Decided it is time for a change and watched Clint Eastwood's "Richard Jewell" with the RELs on. Good lord almighty.

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Red heat shrink tubing would have been nicer...
Decided to terminate the Terminators just like you said, with heat shrink tubing. They look better that way. Thanks for the suggestion, Chris. Pics before and after.
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Decided to terminate the Terminators just like you said, with heat shrink tubing. They look better that way. Thanks for the suggestion, Chris. Pics before and after.
Nice! Beats my zip cord.
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Nice! Beats my zip cord.
The reason I cleaned them up is that they will be exchanged for a power cable.
Five cables for just one:
1) MIT Exp speaker cables, pair, rather long 15 or 20 feet.
2) MIT Terminator 5 speaker cables , 10 feet I think, these have a smaller box than the T2, pair
3) MIT Terminator , a basic T model without a box, pair, also 10 feet I think
4) MIT Terminator 2 Biwire 10 feet
5) AudioQuest MacKenzie XLR interconnects, 1.5M
For all of those I am getting a Shunyata Python Helix Alpha power cable pictured here.
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Need amp advice

New owner of a pair of 1.7i and I'm in need of an upgrade in amp quality (new or used) from my Denon 4300 I currently use in a 7.2.4 basement theater. The room is 25w x 22d x 8h. My budget is around $1600. I was initially attracted to the made in China brands, but I worry about having them repaired in 5-10 years. Thanks

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New owner of a pair of 1.7i and I'm in need of an upgrade in amp quality (new or used) from my Denon 4300 I currently use in a 7.2.4 basement theater. The room is 25w x 22d x 8h. My budget is around $1600. I was initially attracted to the made in China brands, but I worry about having them repaired in 5-10 years. Thanks
Not sure if this is helpful advice,but here goes.
I was newly introduced to Magnepan via the LRS released in 2019. I too have a 7.2.4 Basement Home theater. But felt from the start that enjoying true 2.1 Stereo High-Fidelity meant separating the Magnepan from my existing Hometheater setup . This meant a new separate Stereo Amp and Preamp for me. The LRS loves A/B high current 300 watts into 4 ohms. So keeping within my modest budget, I chose Emotiva BASX-A300. The PT-100 Preamp was a perfect match. Both received good praise from Steve Guttenberg. For Bass management unhooked 1- Hsu VTF2-Mk4 12" sub and connected to Emotiva via Hsu Bass Optimizer at 80/Hz. Most Stereo Music is from HDTracks downloads and Amazon Prime Music Unlimited playing flac from HomeTheater PC into External Dac (Although the PT-100 Preamp includes built-in dac.)
My HT space is 12'W x 15'D x 7'H. Due to lack of more space, I have to swing the Magnepan LRSs to the side when I crank up 7.1.4 Dolby Atmos.
But it's worth the effort. As the Doobie Brothers once sang..."Listen to the Music"!


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Good advice sgibson, I ordered an A300 right after posting. Figured I could use it for the 1.7i while I shop around for a bigger amp. Afterwards, I can use it to power two low Q subs I built specifically to work with the Maggie's.

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Good advice sgibson, I ordered an A300 right after posting. Figured I could use it for the 1.7i while I shop around for a bigger amp. Afterwards, I can use it to power two low Q subs I built specifically to work with the Maggie's.
Wait a minute. Hold everything.
You can afford Magico Q subs (and not just one, but at least a pair because you wrote "two") costing $72,000 and you plan to power the 1.7i's with a $400 Emotiva A300?
Or did you mean the "low Q subs" as low crossover? But that crossover is usually abbreviated with an "X".
I am missing more than usual here.

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Lol, I meant the enclosure acoustically had a q of .600 vs say around .700. They are 12 in DIY aluminum drivers from Parts Express. I went with that design to eliminate ringing as much as possible in the pass band for a more articulate bass response and sacrificed low end extension and boom. I just wanted to add a woofer that would match the characteristics of planar as best I could.

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Does anyone use an ICE based class D amp like those from PSAudio or W4S? These amps are in my price range of $1600 and I like what I hear in reviews. Not sure how they integrate with planars however. Thanks

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Lol, I meant the enclosure acoustically had a q of .600 vs say around .700. They are 12 in DIY aluminum drivers from Parts Express. I went with that design to eliminate ringing as much as possible in the pass band for a more articulate bass response and sacrificed low end extension and boom. I just wanted to add a woofer that would match the characteristics of planar as best I could.

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Now it makes sense, thank you

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my old nad 275bee's x2 in bridged mode peg the needle on my lrs. you can get refurbished from safensound for 850 piece. scoth said his yamaha int did well enough but he does listen very loud. Im not a fan of d amps yet. they want a high price for .... lots like those crown pro amps, I guess they better than monoprice. i will own anything except that company

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I used a Wyred4Sound ST1000 MKII with a pair of Magnepan 3.5/R. That amp worked fine for the price.
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New owner of a pair of 1.7i and I'm in need of an upgrade in amp quality (new or used) from my Denon 4300 I currently use in a 7.2.4 basement theater. The room is 25w x 22d x 8h. My budget is around $1600. I was initially attracted to the made in China brands, but I worry about having them repaired in 5-10 years. Thanks
If you could find a good used one, a Belles 150 (Hotrod) would work nicely.

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Does anyone use an ICE based class D amp like those from PSAudio or W4S? These amps are in my price range of $1600 and I like what I hear in reviews. Not sure how they integrate with planars however. Thanks

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I used to run a pair of MG12 with class D. Setup was NAD M51 -> Hypex NC500 mono amps -> Maggies.
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