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Put it this way... I'd never go back, ever, to cute little speakers for surrounds.. Matter of fact, I have this sickness in the corner my brain that's been buggin me for months now... 215RT's all around. Move my surround 210RT's up to the top for ATMOS.. Use my slanted 8's as my computer speakers.. Lol...
And your earlier descriptions are one of the big things that got me thinking this way. Still contemplating a way to hang a 210rt overhead. You're in Hawaii if I remember right. Might have to try and extend a layover next time I'm heading out to Guam to try and get a chance to meet you and see your setup
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And your earlier descriptions are one of the big things that got me thinking this way. Still contemplating a way to hang a 210rt overhead. You're in Hawaii if I remember right. Might have to try and extend a layover next time I'm heading out to Guam to try and get a chance to meet you and see your setup
Yes.. I'd be delighted to show off, I mean demo my JTR setup. And what it can do..
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Put it this way... I'd never go back, ever, to cute little speakers for surrounds.. Matter of fact, I have this sickness in the corner my brain that's been buggin me for months now... 215RT's all around. Move my surround 210RT's up to the top for ATMOS.. Use my slanted 8's as my computer speakers.. Lol...
That would be sick.....but the Atmos specs do call for full range speakers.
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That would be sick.....but the Atmos specs do call for full range speakers.
Though I was kidding about moving my 210's up for ATMOS. The Slanted 8's does a incredible job for ATMOS. Truthfully, that's my favorite speakers in my setup. Why? As small as the speakers, well not small in comparison to most satellites on the market. It puts out crystal clear and big sound for its size.
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That would be sick.....but the Atmos specs do call for full range speakers.
The Dolby Atmos spec's anticipates that bass management is used and says, "Dolby Atmos auditoriums must support playback of full-range surround signals. Surround loudspeakers with limited bass are acceptable if surround subwoofers and bass management are used. The Dolby Atmos Cinema Processor CP850 supports bass management signal generation. For practical installations, this is the most common approach. When using bass management, the surround subwoofers must meet the requirements described in this section. . . If bass management is used, the surround loudspeakers frequency response (±3 dB) must extend to 90 Hz or lower. The crossover frequency should be set based on the capabilities of the surround loudspeakers, but must not be higher than 100 Hz."

However, I'd love to hear a setup of all 215RT's myself.
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I think DD+ soundtracks on VUDU are very good and I would bet that DD+ and Dolby True HD would be indistinguishable in a DB test. IMO, any reported differences in SQ are most likely format name bias based. VUDU is my goto streaming source for the HT and I am even buying titles there. The only exception is an occasional Atmos disk that I just have to own ...
That's great to hear!

I tried a Roku 4 for a few days and liked what I saw available on VUDU. Problem I had was my internet connection in the room, so I returned it. Now it has been fixed, so I am considering streaming again through them. Just wish that the Panasonic 4K player had VUDU as an option on it..
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Though I was kidding about moving my 210's up for ATMOS. The Slanted 8's does a incredible job for ATMOS. Truthfully, that's my favorite speakers in my setup. Why? As small as the speakers, well not small in comparison to most satellites on the market. It puts out crystal clear and big sound for its size.
I have actually dragged (they are still heavy) 3 of my S8s to a local Hi-Fi shop and put it up against all of their 'tower speakers'.. needless to say, coupled with a sub, the S8 blows every speaker in that shop away... and I don't mean just slightly.. i mean by a mile... with speakers costing more than $10K (towers) that is...
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The first of the 2017 Noesis 228HT are shipping today. The 2017 Noesis 228HT and 212HT received a new compression driver with a unique annular diaphragm. The new compression drivers offers a smoother response, low distortion and improved sound quality.
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The first of the 2017 Noesis 228HT are shipping today. The 2017 Noesis 228HT and 212HT received a new compression driver with a unique annular diaphragm. The new compression drivers offers a smoother response, low distortion and improved sound quality.
Any changes to the sensitivity?

BTW, if you have an Atmos setup you need to get the new 2016 version of the Dolby Atmos demo disk. I had AlexBPM up for a demo yesterday and the Atmos demo was a highlight. Of course I couldn't resist pummeling him with the Art of Flight (Alaska Chapter) at ref +10. He seemed to enjoy that but he might have just been being polite. In any case, it is really fun to meet new people who are into this hobby. Alex flew up from LA just for the demo at my HT and at HTPCat's (Scott) excellent JTR/Seaton setup. I hope he found it informative and worthwhile (his ears are probably still ringing) and we did cover some material at a more reasonable volume.

He brought the new Captain America Civil War Bluray and it sounded even better than my streamed VUDU version. I need to remember to buy these big action movies on bluray at least until they can start streaming the full content AV wise. The differences are subtle but noticeable.
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Any changes to the sensitivity?
It's the same.
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^Thanks Jeff,

Well mister amps don't matter just sprang for a D-Sonic M3-4500 3 channel amp (yes, that one ) as an early Bday present for my 215RT's. I have to admit it "sounds" great and has seemingly limitless power (it's on its own 20amp circuit). My issue is no HP filter and I quickly found the limits of the 215RT woofers without the 20hz HP filter that I was using with the Inuke DSP. I ran through some movie clips as well as a good number of familiar songs at sane but spirited volume and I must admit that I heard more "detail" across the entire frequency range. Now if I can solve the HP issue without ruining the SQ, and do it cheaply, I'll be totally happy with this "upgrade".
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I must admit that I heard more "detail" across the entire frequency range.
Same power cord? If not, your perceptions are invalid. The cord changes everything.
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^Thanks Jeff,

Well mister amps don't matter just sprang for a D-Sonic M3-4500 3 channel amp (yes, that one ) as an early Bday present for my 215RT's. I have to admit it "sounds" great and has seemingly limitless power (it's on its own 20amp circuit). My issue is no HP filter and I quickly found the limits of the 215RT woofers without the 20hz HP filter that I was using with the Inuke DSP. I ran through some movie clips as well as a good number of familiar songs at sane but spirited volume and I must admit that I heard more "detail" across the entire frequency range. Now if I can solve the HP issue without ruining the SQ, and do it cheaply, I'll be totally happy with this "upgrade".
I am using a minidsp nano AVR to apply a HPF on mine.
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Same power cord? If not, your perceptions are invalid. The cord changes everything.
Funny you say that. The previous owner had bought a "premium" power cord but I opted for the plain Jane original. I make a really sh**ty audiophile.

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I am using a minidsp nano AVR to apply a HPF on mine.
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Is that the HDMI model?
Yes.

They have a version with Dirac also, or you can add it later.

They are $250 plus shipping with no Dirac.
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They have a version with Dirac also, or you can add it later.

They are $250 plus shipping with no Dirac.
I was under the impression that Atmos and other 3D audio formats need to use bitstream, not the minidsp nano AVR required PCM. I don't want to give up Atmos or DSU processing.

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I was under the impression that Atmos and other 3D audio formats need to use bitstream, not the minidsp nano AVR required PCM. I don't want to give up Atmos or DSU processing.
Yeah, it only supports 7.1 channels too.

I don't have atmos yet and wanted something that didn't require another d/a conversion.

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Yeah, it only supports 7.1 channels too.

I don't have atmos yet and wanted something that didn't require another d/a conversion.
Since the Nano is before my Marantz SSP it might still process the 7.1 signal to my ceiling speakers using DSU. No native Atmos but then having the HP filter on the LCR's might make that a reasonable tradeoff.

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^Thanks Jeff,

Well mister amps don't matter just sprang for a D-Sonic M3-4500 3 channel amp (yes, that one ) as an early Bday present for my 215RT's. I have to admit it "sounds" great and has seemingly limitless power (it's on its own 20amp circuit). My issue is no HP filter and I quickly found the limits of the 215RT woofers without the 20hz HP filter that I was using with the Inuke DSP. I ran through some movie clips as well as a good number of familiar songs at sane but spirited volume and I must admit that I heard more "detail" across the entire frequency range. Now if I can solve the HP issue without ruining the SQ, and do it cheaply, I'll be totally happy with this "upgrade".
That amp has been tempting me in the classifieds.

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Since the Nano is before my Marantz SSP it might still process the 7.1 signal to my ceiling speakers using DSU. No native Atmos but then having the HP filter on the LCR's might make that a reasonable tradeoff.
So couldn't you use 2 minidsp 2x4 after the marantz but before your amps? Or you could probably get a dbx driverack pa2 (desertdome recommendation) but probably overkill.

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Any changes to the sensitivity?

BTW, if you have an Atmos setup you need to get the new 2016 version of the Dolby Atmos demo disk. I had AlexBPM up for a demo yesterday and the Atmos demo was a highlight. Of course I couldn't resist pummeling him with the Art of Flight (Alaska Chapter) at ref +10. He seemed to enjoy that but he might have just been being polite. In any case, it is really fun to meet new people who are into this hobby. Alex flew up from LA just for the demo at my HT and at HTPCat's (Scott) excellent JTR/Seaton setup. I hope he found it informative and worthwhile (his ears are probably still ringing) and we did cover some material at a more reasonable volume.

He brought the new Captain America Civil War Bluray and it sounded even better than my streamed VUDU version. I need to remember to buy these big action movies on bluray at least until they can start streaming the full content AV wise. The differences are subtle but noticeable.
That demo did not disappoint! The Art of Flight at reference levels knocked my socks off and had me grinning, would I ever listen to anything that loud at home? No way, someone would most certainly call the police. But sometimes you just gotta have a little fun when you're at someone else's house! Being able to hear both Scott's system and yours was such a privilege, I enjoyed every second and didn't want to leave lol. And I learned a lot about the speakers characteristics. Most impressive for me was how good they sound at low levels, you still get a sense of dynamics and that wide soundstage even when you're listening at low volume. That's huge for me.

The second thing that floored me was how favorable the 212's compared to the 215's. I thought the 215's performance would be unapproachable. But Scott's implementations of Dirac along with all his other little tweaks to an astonishing level of clarity and dynamics out of the 212's. It actually threw a monkey wrench into my evil plan! Suffice to say I just loved both of these setups..and it made it that much harder to make a decision.

I will definitely be making a purchase decision after I listen to the 210's at RMAF. Thank you both for having me, I love this community and how welcoming and helpful everyone is. I just wish I was local so I could invite myself over regularly for movie nights!

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^Thanks Jeff,

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You could use the Behringer MIC2200 as it has an adjustable 12 dB high pass filter and is pretty inexpensive. It does have 1 PEQ per channel if needed. I have not noticed any SQ degradation using the unit.

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You can use a minidsp ddrc88a and you will also get Dirac in the process. Two 2x4s would also do the job. Both solutions involve extra A/D - D/A conversions.
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Since the Nano is before my Marantz SSP it might still process the 7.1 signal to my ceiling speakers using DSU. No native Atmos but then having the HP filter on the LCR's might make that a reasonable tradeoff.

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That demo did not disappoint! The Art of Flight at reference levels knocked my socks off and had me grinning, would I ever listen to anything that loud at home? No way, someone would most certainly call the police. But sometimes you just gotta have a little fun when you're at someone else's house! Being able to hear both Scott's system and yours was such a privilege, I enjoyed every second and didn't want to leave lol. And I learned a lot about the speakers characteristics. Most impressive for me was how good they sound at low levels, you still get a sense of dynamics and that wide soundstage even when you're listening at low volume. That's huge for me.

The second thing that floored me was how favorable the 212's compared to the 215's. I thought the 215's performance would be unapproachable. But Scott's implementations of Dirac along with all his other little tweaks to an astonishing level of clarity and dynamics out of the 212's. It actually threw a monkey wrench into my evil plan! Suffice to say I just loved both of these setups..and it made it that much harder to make a decision.

I will definitely be making a purchase decision after I listen to the 210's at RMAF. Thank you both for having me, I love this community and how welcoming and helpful everyone is. I just wish I was local so I could invite myself over regularly for movie nights!
Using subs and Dirac, I'd expect the differences to be pretty insignificant using the same target curve.
Unless you plan to use them without subs, I suspect that you're comparing rooms more than speakers.

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Thanks for all the input fellas. I am waiting for Jeff to get back with his recommendation but am leaning toward the nanoAVR HD unit with the caveat that I will be able to matrix the PCM (LPCM) signal using DSU on the Marantz. Seems to be the cleanest signal chain but it will eliminate running Atmos native from my OPPO BDP103D. DSU is good enough and Atmos may or may not stick.

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