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I switched out the RCA's with the only ones I have around. No change that I can discern. Did a polarity check and everything is as it should be and also switched them to double check. The only difference I can hear is changing from receiver amp to outboard amp. Also noticed while being closer to the speakers that the amp has a low hiss even with no RCA's plugged in. Whereas connected to the receiver it's dead silent. It's very low and can't hear it from normal listening distance so I'm not worried about it. What I am worried about is that the receiver seems to get hotter even though the onboard amps are not being used and it's not sitting on top of the outboard amp. One curiosity after another. lol
If you haven't re-run Audyssey since the speaker switch you need to do that. If it still sounds off to you then it must be the amp. With the T12's you probably don't need the amp anyway.

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Had business up in Milwaukee and dropped by to see Jeff's new digs.

I was with a couple of coworkers, but Jeff was kind enough to show us around and briefly test drove the dual Cap 4000 ULF's. He decided to play Bass I Love You and everything on the floor within 20 was literally blown away from the air movement. Just an amazing amount of output. The entire building was shaking and this is a big warehouse, LOL. He must have very understanding neighbors.

Jordan and Michael, my colleagues, not being familiar with anything but Sonos or HTIB stuff were stunned. They couldn't stop talking about the intensity. Definitely a fun time.

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Dont post much in here but always enjoy the read. Just wanted to thank @Jeff Permanian for helping me out. I had exchanged a few emails inquiring about purchasing a Growler and he spent the time telling me how to get more out of my Triple 12's than selling a product. After hours of searching on AVS I was under the impression that 80hz was a good crossover point and had actually set it at 90hz and have been looking for punch, hence wanting a Growler.

Jeff suggested dropping cross to 60hz and set a low shelf filter at 100hz. I didnt have the dsp at the time to implement it, but I do now and glad I did. Huge difference, wish I had bothered him sooner. I liken it to putting a chip in my F350 7.3 P Stroke, it had the ability to smoke the tires, I just had to pull it out

Thanks again Jeff, I still want a Growler, but I may be satisfied until summer.
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Dont post much in here but always enjoy the read. Just wanted to thank @Jeff Permanian for helping me out. I had exchanged a few emails inquiring about purchasing a Growler and he spent the time telling me how to get more out of my Triple 12's than selling a product. After hours of searching on AVS I was under the impression that 80hz was a good crossover point and had actually set it at 90hz and have been looking for punch, hence wanting a Growler.

Jeff suggested dropping cross to 60hz and set a low shelf filter at 100hz. I didnt have the dsp at the time to implement it, but I do now and glad I did. Huge difference, wish I had bothered him sooner. I liken it to putting a chip in my F350 7.3 P Stroke, it had the ability to smoke the tires, I just had to pull it out

Thanks again Jeff, I still want a Growler, but I may be satisfied until summer.
Sorry,noob here...how to set a low shelf filter at 100hz with avr?
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Sorry,noob here...how to set a low shelf filter at 100hz with avr?
AVR can't do that. You need something with DSP.
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Sorry,noob here...how to set a low shelf filter at 100hz with avr?
Almost all receivers have a low shelf filter. It is called the tone control and starts increasing the bass like a shelf filter at around 100-125 Hz.
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Almost all receivers have a low shelf filter. It is called the tone control and starts increasing the bass like a shelf filter at around 100-125 Hz.
Post #75101 of Audyssey thread from @batpig

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Dont post much in here but always enjoy the read. Just wanted to thank @Jeff Permanian for helping me out. I had exchanged a few emails inquiring about purchasing a Growler and he spent the time telling me how to get more out of my Triple 12's than selling a product. After hours of searching on AVS I was under the impression that 80hz was a good crossover point and had actually set it at 90hz and have been looking for punch, hence wanting a Growler.

Jeff suggested dropping cross to 60hz and set a low shelf filter at 100hz. I didnt have the dsp at the time to implement it, but I do now and glad I did. Huge difference, wish I had bothered him sooner. I liken it to putting a chip in my F350 7.3 P Stroke, it had the ability to smoke the tires, I just had to pull it out

Thanks again Jeff, I still want a Growler, but I may be satisfied until summer.
What is this low shelf filter and how does it help with bass?
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What is this low shelf filter and how does it help with bass?
Click on the link skylinestar posted just above your post, duh.

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Dont post much in here but always enjoy the read. Just wanted to thank @Jeff Permanian for helping me out. I had exchanged a few emails inquiring about purchasing a Growler and he spent the time telling me how to get more out of my Triple 12's than selling a product. After hours of searching on AVS I was under the impression that 80hz was a good crossover point and had actually set it at 90hz and have been looking for punch, hence wanting a Growler.

Jeff suggested dropping cross to 60hz and set a low shelf filter at 100hz. I didnt have the dsp at the time to implement it, but I do now and glad I did. Huge difference, wish I had bothered him sooner. I liken it to putting a chip in my F350 7.3 P Stroke, it had the ability to smoke the tires, I just had to pull it out

Thanks again Jeff, I still want a Growler, but I may be satisfied until summer.
I'd recommend taking measurements at different crossover points. The crossover is below the Schroeder frequency, so placement counts a lot. By changing the crossover frequency, you are choosing between your LCR placement and your sub placement for those frequencies. Which one works better will be very room specific. The frequency extension of the sub and mains also matter, but the room could be a bigger factor.

Since you are looking for punch, key aspects are your frequency response curve and minimizing nulls in the 60-120hz range.
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So, what do you guys with the 210rt use for power?
Do you use an hpf?
I had a bridged inuke 3000 dsp on each with the steepest filter it could do at 30hz.

I sold them and bought 215 RT's. Used the inukes for a while and now use one crest cc4000 per speaker.
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I had a bridged inuke 3000 dsp on each with the steepest filter it could do at 30hz.



I sold them and bought 215 RT's. Used the inukes for a while and now use one crest cc4000 per speaker.


Did you get any pops or hum with the 3000dsp?
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Did you get any pops or hum with the 3000dsp?
None at all. I know the 6000 DSP pops when turn off.

Honestly I could not tell the difference between the inuke and the crest as far as sound quality goes.
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So, what do you guys with the 210rt use for power?
Do you use an hpf?
For the best sound quality, I would minimize da and ad conversions (amplifiers with dsp). Most AVRs have a 40hz highpass however a 30hz would be better. You could use a something like a NanoAVR which would allow you to install a highpass and adjust the response.
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For the best sound quality, I would minimize da and ad conversions (amplifiers with dsp). Most AVRs have a 40hz highpass however a 30hz would be better. You could use a something like a NanoAVR which would allow you to install a highpass and adjust the response.
Huh...I guess that HPF could be a concern running 215RTs without subs on some AVRs. I guess that would show up in measurements, though.
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For the best sound quality, I would minimize da and ad conversions (amplifiers with dsp). Most AVRs have a 40hz highpass however a 30hz would be better. You could use a something like a NanoAVR which would allow you to install a highpass and adjust the response.
I plan to run them direct for 2ch, or 2.1 with the sealed hs24. Carp is going to let me try out the Crown 4002 xti so I could give the 210s a HP at 30hz full range and 40hz if I cross with the sub.
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For the best sound quality, I would minimize da and ad conversions (amplifiers with dsp). Most AVRs have a 40hz highpass however a 30hz would be better. You could use a something like a NanoAVR which would allow you to install a highpass and adjust the response.
To eliminate da/ad conversions I switched from the inukes to the crest amps. Also added a NanoAVR to implement the hpf.
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To eliminate da/ad conversions I switched from the inukes to the crest amps. Also added a NanoAVR to implement the hpf.
How noisy is the Nano? Seems that all minidsp products I've tried add quite a bit of noise.
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How noisy is the Nano? Seems that all minidsp products I've tried add quite a bit of noise.
I haven't noticed any noise at all. The Nano does all of the processing to the HDMI signal before it even gets to the receiver. I even have one in my living room system with the 212's and no noise at all.

You have to send a PCM signal to it as it doesn't decode anything. You have atmos right? It wouldn't work with those movies, you would have to bypass it. Works with 7.1 though.
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I haven't noticed any noise at all. The Nano does all of the processing to the HDMI signal before it even gets to the receiver. I even have one in my living room system with the 212's and no noise at all.

You have to send a PCM signal to it as it doesn't decode anything. You have atmos right? It wouldn't work with those movies, you would have to bypass it. Works with 7.1 though.
Ahh that's right, I forgot it was before the AVR in the chain. Yes, I have Atmos now but was asking more for d_c. He will have Atmos too, but that wouldn't matter for 2 channel using the 210's.
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This isn't JTR related, but I thought some here would be interested in the live sound system that was used for the Presidential Inauguration. Note that the President and President-elect do not have lavalier wireless mics. This is probably so they wouldn't have any tracking devices on their body - especially if they had to bug out.

The contract for this was awarded to Maryland Sound International (MSI) for $294,500.

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Silly me, I'm still trying to convince my wife to put two of these behind the sofa for tactile near-field response.
I have a single CAP 218HT about 10 feet away and even w/ the ICE amp turned down and my AVR at -6, many movies give the couch a nice rumble. Guest are aways amazed that the couch has a shake(on concrete btw). Jeff sure knows his stuff.

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Here's an update on my road to my complete JTR build. As previously mentioned, I received my Cap 1400 and three (3) 228HTRs. I installed the Cap last week and then last night I placed and hooked up the 228s. They sound amazing, such an upgrade! Due to size restraints, I had to place the center 228 on top of my entertainment cabinet and then plasma on top of it. It makes for a very high monitor (almost to my front heights/Atmos), but the front stage sound is such an improvement. When I receive the four Slanted 8-LPs, I will complete the set up and provide additional updates.
With the holidays and being out of town for work, my review of my system has been somewhat tardy. Anyways, I recieved the four (4) Slanted 8-LPs and have installed them as my rears and Front ATMOS. I experienced a tricky install for one of the front ATMOS as it sits on a high shelf as opposed mounting it to the wall. After calibration I have devoted time listening to them and am thoroughly pleased. I an still running rear the in-ceiling speakers that were previously installed in my home when I purchased it as the rear ATMOS and may have to step up up to another pair of JTRs to complete my entire system to 100% JTR. I cannot say how much I am enjoying this set up! Movies are compeluely amazing, with incredible detailing. But the biggest improvement that I am continuing to be blown away with is the two channel music that is provided by the two 228HTRs and the CAP 1400. Simply amazing! Almost every night that I am home and not traveling, and after my small children are in bed and asleep, I am able to sit and enjoy some critical listening without being disctracted. I am reminded each time how detailed the HTRs are and am so happy that I stretched a little further tor the HTRs. I would recommend these speakers to anyone considering an upgrade to their current system as you won't be disappointed. I now experience incredible levels of details that I never heard previously. It's completely obvious how much of the music (and movies) that I was missing before. Oh yeah, and they stay crystal clear no matter how loud you play them. They can easily push me right out of the room. Thanks again Jeff! You are a true craftsman.
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Hi All,

Is there a kind owner of a noesis 228ht or htr in the Washington, DC area that would open up their home for a demo . A six pack of your choosing will be provided and no Taylor Swift songs will be requested...

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a question for everyone that owns the 212s or 228s....how is the soundstage and imaging of these speakers? I was originally considering the Focal Electra series for my HT, but i stumbled across JTR in my search for a quality subwoofer, which has led me to considering the JTRs for all my speakers. I worry about the sound quality, soundstage and imaging, due to the fact that I cannot demo them anywhere first. Any advice would help.
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a question for everyone that owns the 212s or 228s....how is the soundstage and imaging of these speakers? I was originally considering the Focal Electra series for my HT, but i stumbled across JTR in my search for a quality subwoofer, which has led me to considering the JTRs for all my speakers. I worry about the sound quality, soundstage and imaging, due to the fact that I cannot demo them anywhere first. Any advice would help.
Where are you located? There are JTR owners all over the country that would likely be willing to demo the for you.
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