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I have a pair of the 210rt, so new that I haven't had a chance to really set them up. I heard these first about 2 years ago and they blew me away, which was unfortunate because I had just finished building my dream speakers. I DIY just about everything, not to avoid spending some money, but to get the most out of my money and to enjoy the process of learning a new skill and creating something. I tried to figure out how to build something like the 210rt, but found that there isn't anything to gain as far as money savings and everything to lose in sound quality if I couldn't get the crossover right.

Jeff asked my why I decided to go for these instead of DIY as usual, and my answer was something like what I stated above and also that there is an art to creating the perfect crossover, which I believe lies within the 210 along with the modified coaxial CD and dual 10" drivers. I have heard nearly everything in the JTR lineup excluding the 228htr and the 212ht (when properly set up). The 215rt was my favorite all time speaker until I heard the 210. The 215 reminded me of the tactile feeling you get from being at a concert, the sound from a stack of Marshalls that give heavy metal guitars that signature sound that you don't usually get at home on hifi speakers, and zero deficit in frequency range at any volume while maintaining smooth highs that are easy on the ears. Usually you get some of these things, but never all. The 210rt does this, but has a better lower midrange sound to me, which I would guess comes from the smaller 10" midbass driver.

I currently have these set up temporarily in my media room about 10' apart with a 10 degree toe in, about 12-13' feet from the MLP. Running them full range on AVR power from my Onkyo 818 (110wpch @4r?) gives a staggering amount of midbass punch and full-range reference level sound down to below 30hz. Any more power to them requires a HPF and I should be using one now, but like I said, I barely have had time to plug them in for a listen. Last weekend at the KC HT Crawl we demoed some of the standard bass-lover tracks like Bass I Love You, Carbon Prevails, etc. and the 210 was producing notes without breaking a sweat that should not come out of a 10" driver. There were many of us that day in awe of the beautiful sound that these make, while at the same time in disbelief that no subs were activated to reproduce the sounds filling my open room. Poem of a Chinese drum was delivered with the pounding of the drums with the faint echoes of the delicate percussion that moved around the room and hardly from the point of the source. Waters of March produced her warm voice in the upper right center of the room articulating the sounds of her lips that were too close to the mic when the track was recorded. The female voicing on the 210 is just nuts, it's what really stands out as the most redeeming part of this reference tower. Hopefully next week I can have some time to sit in front of these and listen to some Tool, Metallica, Floyd, Puscifer, and Clapton tracks, along with some concert Blurays like Through the Never and the Dave Matthews show. Anyways, it's difficult to describe a perception, but I hope this helps you get an idea about how the 210rt does it for me.


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I'm saying it again, the 210 RT's should be Jeff's best seller. They sounded amazing in your living room. We have very similar taste in speakers.
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Has anyone heard both the 210RT's and the 215RM's? Would they be comparable for 2 channel music w/o subs? The 215RT's are just to large. I like the 215RM's cause I could rest them on top of 2 CAP 2400's. Dont think I could fit the 210RT's and the 2400's due to their size and having to run them length wise. The 210's are towers i couldn't stack them on subs.... just thinking out loud


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I have a pair of the 210rt, so new that I haven't had a chance to really set them up. I heard these first about 2 years ago and they blew me away, which was unfortunate because I had just finished building my dream speakers. I DIY just about everything, not to avoid spending some money, but to get the most out of my money and to enjoy the process of learning a new skill and creating something. I tried to figure out how to build something like the 210rt, but found that there isn't anything to gain as far as money savings and everything to lose in sound quality if I couldn't get the crossover right.

Jeff asked my why I decided to go for these instead of DIY as usual, and my answer was something like what I stated above and also that there is an art to creating the perfect crossover, which I believe lies within the 210 along with the modified coaxial CD and dual 10" drivers. I have heard nearly everything in the JTR lineup excluding the 228htr and the 212ht (when properly set up). The 215rt was my favorite all time speaker until I heard the 210. The 215 reminded me of the tactile feeling you get from being at a concert, the sound from a stack of Marshalls that give heavy metal guitars that signature sound that you don't usually get at home on hifi speakers, and zero deficit in frequency range at any volume while maintaining smooth highs that are easy on the ears. Usually you get some of these things, but never all. The 210rt does this, but has a better lower midrange sound to me, which I would guess comes from the smaller 10" midbass driver.

I currently have these set up temporarily in my media room about 10' apart with a 10 degree toe in, about 12-13' feet from the MLP. Running them full range on AVR power from my Onkyo 818 (110wpch @4r?) gives a staggering amount of midbass punch and full-range reference level sound down to below 30hz. Any more power to them requires a HPF and I should be using one now, but like I said, I barely have had time to plug them in for a listen. Last weekend at the KC HT Crawl we demoed some of the standard bass-lover tracks like Bass I Love You, Carbon Prevails, etc. and the 210 was producing notes without breaking a sweat that should not come out of a 10" driver. There were many of us that day in awe of the beautiful sound that these make, while at the same time in disbelief that no subs were activated to reproduce the sounds filling my open room. Poem of a Chinese drum was delivered with the pounding of the drums with the faint echoes of the delicate percussion that moved around the room and hardly from the point of the source. Waters of March produced her warm voice in the upper right center of the room articulating the sounds of her lips that were too close to the mic when the track was recorded. The female voicing on the 210 is just nuts, it's what really stands out as the most redeeming part of this reference tower. Hopefully next week I can have some time to sit in front of these and listen to some Tool, Metallica, Floyd, Puscifer, and Clapton tracks, along with some concert Blurays like Through the Never and the Dave Matthews show. Anyways, it's difficult to describe a perception, but I hope this helps you get an idea about how the 210rt does it for me.
How does your seos12 setup compare to the 210rt's?
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How does your seos12 setup compare to the 210rt's?
The seos doesn't have the killer mid range sound that the 210 has. Funny because the AE TD12m is regarded as a stellar mid. I could be pulling this out of my ass, but I seem to remember the xo of the dna360 and 12m is at 1100hz, so right in the middle of the voicing that is pleasing to my ear. I noticed the same when I upgraded the audio in my truck to a 3-way Hybrid Audio Legatia Pro set with the 3" dome mids crossed at 500 and 4000. Major improvement with the midrange for acoustic music, metal, voices, ect. It's so nice to listen to, but it doesn't get loud which is fine for a vehicle. Don't get me wrong, I love those Seos speakers, put a ton of time in to them, and can and do listen to them for hours on end loving every second. I think they sound amazing for most music, just not for metal. Also dialogue can get kind of honky in my center for films. Probably some from the on-wall placement with limited sound treatments, definitely some floor bounce, definitely some bounce from the TV directly above it. The other major difference between the Seos and the 210 is the range. My Seos are only decent to XO down to 60hz and sucked for full range when I had them tuned lower in the test enclosures. There was nothing there in the low end. The 210s have that crazy tight midbass punch that's like "snap!" when it hits and a nice full sound all the way to the xo, and also has the low extension that enables it to be a truly full-range speaker for music.
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Has anyone heard both the 210RT's and the 215RM's? Would they be comparable for 2 channel music w/o subs? The 215RT's are just to large. I like the 215RM's cause I could rest them on top of 2 CAP 2400's. Dont think I could fit the 210RT's and the 2400's due to their size and having to run them length wise. The 210's are towers i couldn't stack them on subs.... just thinking out loud


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If the speakers are literally sitting on top of 2 subs, why would you run them full range without subs?
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If the speakers are literally sitting on top of 2 subs, why would you run them full range without subs?


Theater room will not be dedicated or soundproofed ( bar top/overflow seating after the second row of seating that will open to the bar and lounge area. During late hours when the wife and kids are upstairs I won't be turning the subs on while watching movies. Still want a system capable in the low 30's to get some impact when not at reference while watching movies late at night. Plus, I do wanna play these 2 channel


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Theater room will not be dedicated or soundproofed ( bar top/overflow seating after the second row of seating that will open to the bar and lounge area. During late hours when the wife and kids are upstairs I won't be turning the subs on while watching movies. Still want a system capable in the low 30's to get some impact when not at reference while watching movies late at night. Plus, I do wanna play these 2 channel


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The 215RMs and 210RTs do seem like they would be pretty comparable for that.
Would one fit better or be more practical for you in some way?

Another option could be to use 212HTRs with the subs, and use some sort of selectable EQ for night mode. If you EQ down the bass, you could leave the subs engaged, rather than running the mains full range.

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Is there a wall mount designed for the 228HT?
Not Jeff but ...you can hang this 14" depth speaker on the wall. I did that with it's predecessor, the Triple 8 and then the Triple 8LP. The best JTR options for wall mounting are the Single or Slanted 8LP's. These like my Triple 8LP's are only 7" deep and so are a good choice for wall mounting.

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Those speakers are really heavy. Back in the days of cathode ray tube TVs you could have simply purchased a CRT TV wall mount, but the TV wall mounts nowadays are all for flat screens. Maybe you could still find a CRT wall mount somewhere online?

Most of the dedicated wall speaker mounts at Amazon etc seem to max out at about 30 lbs.

But you could simply get a shelf kit at Home Depot and cut it to size, so that there's a custom-sized shelf under your speaker. Many of those shelving systems can hold hundreds of pounds and cost under $40. Might not look as clean as a dedicated speaker wall mount, but at least it should be able to hold the weight.

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Those speakers are really heavy. Back in the days of cathode ray tube TVs you could have simply purchased a CRT TV wall mount, but the TV wall mounts nowadays are all for flat screens. Maybe you could still find a CRT wall mount somewhere online?

Most of the dedicated wall speaker mounts at Amazon etc seem to max out at about 30 lbs.

But you could simply get a shelf kit at Home Depot and cut it to size, so that there's a custom-sized shelf under your speaker. Many of those shelving systems can hold hundreds of pounds and cost under $40. Might not look as clean as a dedicated speaker wall mount, but at least it should be able to hold the weight.

Maybe Jeff has a cleaner solution?
Jeff installs keyhole mounts on the Single 8's and might do that for the 228 as well. I used a french cleat to hang the heavy Triple 8's but that required drilling the cabinet.

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The seos doesn't have the killer mid range sound that the 210 has. Funny because the AE TD12m is regarded as a stellar mid. I could be pulling this out of my ass, but I seem to remember the xo of the dna360 and 12m is at 1100hz, so right in the middle of the voicing that is pleasing to my ear. I noticed the same when I upgraded the audio in my truck to a 3-way Hybrid Audio Legatia Pro set with the 3" dome mids crossed at 500 and 4000. Major improvement with the midrange for acoustic music, metal, voices, ect. It's so nice to listen to, but it doesn't get loud which is fine for a vehicle. Don't get me wrong, I love those Seos speakers, put a ton of time in to them, and can and do listen to them for hours on end loving every second. I think they sound amazing for most music, just not for metal. Also dialogue can get kind of honky in my center for films. Probably some from the on-wall placement with limited sound treatments, definitely some floor bounce, definitely some bounce from the TV directly above it. The other major difference between the Seos and the 210 is the range. My Seos are only decent to XO down to 60hz and sucked for full range when I had them tuned lower in the test enclosures. There was nothing there in the low end. The 210s have that crazy tight midbass punch that's like "snap!" when it hits and a nice full sound all the way to the xo, and also has the low extension that enables it to be a truly full-range speaker for music.
Doug, thanks for your comprehensive response. I currently have the F12 - tempest setup in my family room and the F15 - sentinels in my HT so I have a good point of reference. I've only heard the T8, T12 and 228ht's from JTR but would be confident to blind buy a pair of 210RT's. Just sent Jeff a message.
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Doug, thanks for your comprehensive response. I currently have the F12 - tempest setup in my family room and the F15 - sentinels in my HT so I have a good point of reference. I've only heard the T8, T12 and 228ht's from JTR but would be confident to blind buy a pair of 210RT's. Just sent Jeff a message.


No problem! I hope you like them as much as I do. I would imagine the 15 in your tempest would give the 210 a run for the money, but everything else would be no contest. I'm test driving Carp's Crown xti4002 so I can use the 30hz hpf in its dsp to protect the drivers. I will also try crossing a sealed hs24 for 34hz down. This combo I think will be my huckleberry.
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Agreed, but JBL, Klipsch, and QSC all have this 15" woofer over CD design in one fashion or another. They are the predominant speakers found in cinemas around the world. I understand it's physics, but I am sure their staffing of electrical, mechanical, and acoustic engineers with advanced degrees understand physics. If there is something apparently flawed in this design, wouldn't they have discovered this during their R&D?

I am also not saying the 4722 is better than JTR. I have always stated it is hard to beat for it's price/performance. I have heard nothing but great things about JTR's products.
In professional cinemas, as the speakers are designed for, the speakers are installed at the horizontal center of the screen, which is several feet above the front row listener's ears and very far away from the back rows. The farther you are from these speakers the less the difference of acoustical centers matters.

You seemed to miss the point about the "lower" 15" woofer. The M2 only has one 15" woofer that is right below the horn so the acoustical centers are much closer than the 4722N which has another 15" that is below the first 15" which is farther way. When you have two speakers playing the same content then the perceived point of origin is directly between the two (stereo imaging). The M2's woofer's perceived point of origin is 7.5" ish below the horn, 15" ish below the 4722's horn and dead center on the Noesis 212HT's horn. Because of the Noesis's driver arrangement and careful design, all the drivers (high, mid, woofers) are time aligned and have the exact same perceived point of origin.
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Has anyone heard both the 210RT's and the 215RM's? Would they be comparable for 2 channel music w/o subs? The 215RT's are just to large. I like the 215RM's cause I could rest them on top of 2 CAP 2400's. Dont think I could fit the 210RT's and the 2400's due to their size and having to run them length wise. The 210's are towers i couldn't stack them on subs.... just thinking out loud


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I have the 215RM's and continue to be amazed at how they sound for music and movies. They are in my dedicated theater. 210's are awesome as well. Heard them at Axpona a couple years back....both are comparable performers. I like your idea of stacking on the Caps...Jeff made some stands for mine.
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In professional cinemas, as the speakers are designed for, the speakers are installed at the horizontal center of the screen, which is several feet above the front row listener's ears and very far away from the back rows. The farther you are from these speakers the less the difference of acoustical centers matters.

You seemed to miss the point about the "lower" 15" woofer. The M2 only has one 15" woofer that is right below the horn so the acoustical centers are much closer than the 4722N which has another 15" that is below the first 15" which is farther way. When you have two speakers playing the same content then the perceived point of origin is directly between the two (stereo imaging). The M2's woofer's perceived point of origin is 7.5" ish below the horn, 15" ish below the 4722's horn and dead center on the Noesis 212HT's horn. Because of the Noesis's driver arrangement and careful design, all the drivers (high, mid, woofers) are time aligned and have the exact same perceived point of origin.
Right but after a certain distance this is a non issue yes?
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In professional cinemas, as the speakers are designed for, the speakers are installed at the horizontal center of the screen, which is several feet above the front row listener's ears and very far away from the back rows. The farther you are from these speakers, the less the difference of acoustical centers matters.

You seemed to miss the point about the "lower" 15" woofer. The M2 only has one 15" woofer that is right below the horn so the acoustical centers are much closer than the 4722N which has another 15" that is below the first 15" which is farther way. When you have two speakers playing the same content then the perceived point of origin is directly between the two (stereo imaging). The M2's woofer's perceived point of origin is 7.5" ish below the horn, 15" ish below the 4722's horn and dead center on the Noesis 212HT's horn. Because of the Noesis's driver arrangement and careful design, all the drivers (high, mid, woofers) are time aligned and have the exact same perceived point of origin.
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Right but after a certain distance this is a non issue yes?
As you can see from the bold sentence above the answer to your question is a qualified yes. No one is maintaining that the 4722 is a poor design. All of the user testimonials would suggest that they are a very good bang for buck HT speaker. Rather the comments were that the 4722 was designed for large spaces (commercial theaters) and their utilization in a smaller HT space may expose design limitations that would not normally be noticed. Even then, people will hear or not hear things depending upon many other factors.

My comments were specific to the swapping out of the CD with no other design changes. You and others claim this home grown quick fix greatly improves the speakers performance. Point in space measurements aside, I have yet to hear anyone from Harmon engineering say this component swapout is a good idea and because of the warranty issues, I doubt that endorsement will be forth coming.

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Right but after a certain distance this is a non issue yes?
Best thing to do with the 4722 is to raise them up so that the horn is just above the center of the screen and the woofers would be just below center. This compromise would keep sound near the center of the screen.
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Best thing to do with the 4722 is to raise them up so that the horn is just above the center of the screen and the woofers would be just below center. This compromise would keep sound near the center of the screen.
Yea I just mentioned in 4722 thread in another comment I had a remembrance, but could be totally wrong, that the acoustical center was the top of the bass bin/bottom lip of the horn. That ideal placement vertical wise would be I would guess 3-4" or so CD above ear height if that was true.

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As you can see from the bold sentence above the answer to your question is a qualified yes. No one is maintaining that the 4722 is a poor design. All of the user testimonials would suggest that they are a very good bang for buck HT speaker. Rather the comments were that the 4722 was designed for large spaces (commercial theaters) and their utilization in a smaller HT space may expose design limitations that would not normally be noticed. Even then, people will hear or not hear things depending upon many other factors.

My comments were specific to the swapping out of the CD with no other design changes. You and others claim this home grown quick fix greatly improves the speakers performance. Point in space measurements aside, I have yet to hear anyone from Harmon engineering say this component swapout is a good idea and because of the warranty issues, I doubt that endorsement will be forth coming.
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Limitations they do have yes. 30" wide with CD 15" from center eats up horizontal room distance for a LCR spread, ideally need some space back from them compared to other offerings, 11-13ft I would think nearly everyone would agree ideal. Even though JBL themselves mentioned shorter can work. But at only 17" deep they have advantages to save false wall and overall room distance, the MASSIVE horn spreads sound that is ridiculous, the dual 15's IMO absolutely articulate bass like I have never heard from a main (not a large sample I admit). And the controlled directivity does well to limit 1st point reflections. Designed for big movie theaters yes but that doesn't mean they are automatically disqualified for home use. I have read others basing disqualified based on that fact alone rather than actual measurable data. Also could not a 212 HTR work in a mid sized cinema with it's ultra sensitivity and it's amazing max SPL? I mean if they measure on several different data points the same as a JTR, DIYSG offering, etc then it comes down to space limitations yes?

I understand the viewpoint of the CD swap totally. I once held the same mentality of manufacturers alone making such modifications and me personally even the physical install. That why I had sent my triple 8's back to Jeff for the CD and crossover swap few years back rather than doing it myself. I heard someone the other day mention how we can't even agree with ourselves entirely on certain things as our viewpoints change/evolve over time. For me this is what happened in this particular realm as long as the tested data supplied in a extreme extensive manner by very capable Notnyt measures/performs actually better than the stock 2432H CD then I am more than satisfied with that. But I totally understand and respect a disagreement even if I don't agree

Anyway I quit in the JTR thread JTR speakers are amazing, Jeff is the embodiment of customer service and craftsmanship. I can't wait to hear a reference line speaker! And to be totally honest if life permitted I would probably own JTR's now over my 4722's based on form factor alone with moving, having a basic stereo setup now and then for awhile. Prob could actually pull it off selling the upgraded CD's, stock CD's and DSi amps but used market buying has seemed to have slowed down much less west coast vs east coast buyer availability.
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JTR speakers are amazing, Jeff is the embodiment of customer service and craftsmanship. I can't wait to hear a reference line speaker! And to be totally honest if life permitted I would probably own JTR's now over my 4722's based on form factor alone with moving, having a basic stereo setup now and then for awhile. Prob could actually pull it off selling the upgraded CD's, stock CD's and DSi amps but used market buying has seemed to have slowed down much less west coast vs east coast buyer availability.
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New Product idea. So, I've been working on a dual 12" professional subwoofer tuned to 38hz and realized these would work in a larger, lower tuned Noesis 212 and could make "tower" versions. Same specs as the Noesis 212HT and 212HTR but extend down to 38hz and would be called the Noesis 212T (tower) and Noesis 212RT (reference tower). The larger cabinet and high excursion drivers would add $300. I'm looking to see if there is any interest.
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New Product idea. So, I've been working on a dual 12" professional subwoofer tuned to 38hz and realized these would work in a larger, lower tuned Noesis 212 and could make "tower" versions. Same specs as the Noesis 212HT and 212HTR but extend down to 38hz and would be called the Noesis 212T (tower) and Noesis 212RT (reference tower). The larger cabinet and high excursion drivers would add $300. I'm looking to see if there is any interest.
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New Product idea. So, I've been working on a dual 12" professional subwoofer tuned to 38hz and realized these would work in a larger, lower tuned Noesis 212 and could make "tower" versions. Same specs as the Noesis 212HT and 212HTR but extend down to 38hz and would be called the Noesis 212T (tower) and Noesis 212RT (reference tower). The larger cabinet and high excursion drivers would add $300. I'm looking to see if there is any interest.
I have some questions:

Tuning to 38hz would there be a difference in sensitivity?

How large would these be?

Would they be WTW or TWW like the 210RT?

What would the difference between the 212T and 212RT be?

I am wondering what would be the advantage over the 210RT?
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I have some questions:

Tuning to 38hz would there be a difference in sensitivity?

How large would these be?

Would they be WTW or TWW like the 210RT?

What would the difference between the 212T and 212RT be?

I am wondering what would be the advantage over the 210RT?
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For those routing the LFE Channel to the 215's what gear are using. And if you are not why not?


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For those routing the LFE Channel to the 215's what gear are using. And if you are not why not?

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I am running the 215RT LCR's full range with no subs. My processor (Marantz 7702) allows the LCR's to be set as full range hence they get the LFE channel info. I originally did route the LFE to the LCR's via a Rane RPM 88. This allowed me to do the channel mixing and, place a 15hz HP filter on them as well. The Rane was noisy (fans always on) and I prefer fewer A/D conversions and connections so the current setup is direct pre/pro to amp and no HP filters.

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Just ordered a Captivator S1 from Jeff for the center rear of my theater to compliment the Captivator S2 up front in the center of my baffle wall. The S1 will replace dual JL Audio F112 that were previously in the rear of the room.

I also have a Seaton Submersive on each side wall and wonder if replacing them with S1's would add any real benefit. I feel like I am chasing the last 1% of performance by replacing the Seaton's with S1s.

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