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any reviews/links of jtr speakers vs other companies?
JTRs in a shootout with several other speakers a few years ago: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-spe...13-2013-a.html.

No "pro" reviews I'm aware of, but the LF sections of JTRs have been independently measured by data-bass/Josh Ricci:

Noesis 215RT: http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=system&id=132.

Noesis 212HTR: http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=system&id=122.
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Hey guys i'm hoping to get some of your opinions on what i should do next.

I currently own Ascend Acoustic Sierra 2's which i adore for music and like for movies. I'm looking for something more dynamic when it comes to movies. I've always been curious about about high efficiency speakers so i'm looking at JTR's.

Has anyone heard the NOESIS 228HT? They are within my budget but I've never heard a jtr speaker. How do they compare to PSA MTM-210? There's a $300 difference between the two. It would be a movie only room.

Is their anyone in California with JTR speakers that would be willing to let me listen?

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Hey guys i'm hoping to get some of your opinions on what i should do next.



I currently own Ascend Acoustic Sierra 2's which i adore for music and like for movies. I'm looking for something more dynamic when it comes to movies. I've always been curious about about high efficiency speakers so i'm looking at JTR's.



Has anyone heard the NOESIS 228HT? They are within my budget but I've never heard a jtr speaker. How do they compare to PSA MTM-210? There's a $300 difference between the two. It would be a movie only room.



Is their anyone in California with JTR speakers that would be willing to let me listen?

@raynist has both of these I believe and said that they JTR and PSA more similar than different. It's $300 per speaker plus shipping right?


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@raynist has both of these I believe and said that they JTR and PSA more similar than different. It's $300 per speaker plus shipping right?


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Yeah its $324 per speaker, but i think psa does free shipping.

I've been following your Seaton vs Jtr sub thread good stuff.

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Yeah its $324 per speaker, but i think psa does free shipping.



I've been following your Seaton vs Jtr sub thread good stuff.


Check my response on the PSA thread. Think i am landed on the Sub comparison


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Hey guys i'm hoping to get some of your opinions on what i should do next.

I currently own Ascend Acoustic Sierra 2's which i adore for music and like for movies. I'm looking for something more dynamic when it comes to movies. I've always been curious about about high efficiency speakers so i'm looking at JTR's.

Has anyone heard the NOESIS 228HT? They are within my budget but I've never heard a jtr speaker. How do they compare to PSA MTM-210? There's a $300 difference between the two. It would be a movie only room.

Is their anyone in California with JTR speakers that would be willing to let me listen?
I've only heard the Noesis 228HT's. They are very dynamic with a smooth frequency response, have excellent midbass, and have a clarity that is startling when your first hear them. The compression driver is made by BMS and is capable of extremely high output with little distortion. The motor structure of the woofer has been optimized for efficiency and power handling.

There are several things that are different about the 228HT vs the MTM-210.
  • The 228HT's have higher power handling and therefore greater output and dynamics before compression. They can handle 1200 watts vs 175 watts for the MTM-210.
  • The 228HT horn is much larger. This allows for greater directivity control to a lower frequency. You can read more here: Understanding Horn Directivity Control
  • The 228HT is made from 1" Baltic Birch and the MTM-210 is made from 3/4" MDF
  • The 228HT is ported while the MTM-210 is sealed. This gives the the 228HT much more midbass.
  • The 228HT uses a 1.4" compression driver vs a 1" compression driver.
  • The diaphragm of the 228HT is made of polyester fibers vs titanium on the MTM-210.

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I've only heard the Noesis 228HT's. They are very dynamic with a smooth frequency response, have excellent midbass, and have a clarity that is startling when your first hear them. The compression driver is made by BMS and is capable of extremely high output with little distortion. The motor structure of the woofer has been optimized for efficiency and power handling.

There are several things that are different about the 228HT vs the MTM-210.
  • The 228HT's have higher power handling and therefore greater output and dynamics before compression. They can handle 1200 watts vs 175 watts for the MTM-210.
  • The 228HT horn is much larger. This allows for greater directivity control to a lower frequency. You can read more here: Understanding Horn Directivity Control
  • The 228HT is made from 1" Baltic Birch and the MTM-210 is made from 3/4" MDF
  • The 228HT is ported while the MTM-210 is sealed. This gives the the 228HT much more midbass.
  • The 228HT uses a 1.4" compression driver vs a 1" compression driver.
  • The diaphragm of the 228HT is made of polyester fibers vs titanium on the MTM-210.
Tom is pretty humble and he would even be the first to say that the JTR 228 would be a better pick. I talked to him along time ago when they were first rolling off the line and he said as much. I did hear the MTM210 and I thought it sounded very good. It was not set up in the best of conditions and IMO sounded very good under the circumstances.
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I've only heard the Noesis 228HT's. They are very dynamic with a smooth frequency response, have excellent midbass, and have a clarity that is startling when your first hear them. The compression driver is made by BMS and is capable of extremely high output with little distortion. The motor structure of the woofer has been optimized for efficiency and power handling.

There are several things that are different about the 228HT vs the MTM-210.
  • The 228HT's have higher power handling and therefore greater output and dynamics before compression. They can handle 1200 watts vs 175 watts for the MTM-210.
  • The 228HT horn is much larger. This allows for greater directivity control to a lower frequency. You can read more here: Understanding Horn Directivity Control
  • The 228HT is made from 1" Baltic Birch and the MTM-210 is made from 3/4" MDF
  • The 228HT is ported while the MTM-210 is sealed. This gives the the 228HT much more midbass.
  • The 228HT uses a 1.4" compression driver vs a 1" compression driver.
  • The diaphragm of the 228HT is made of polyester fibers vs titanium on the MTM-210.
I freaking love avs forums and their members. Thank you so much for the detailed response and the link, i have some reading to do. Now if i could find someone in California who owns a pair of jtr speakers.....

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We had electronic issues during the Kansas City get together earlier this year that I brought a pair of the Noesis 212HT. We received many positive comments from those that listened after the event however a couple people thought they were a little bright. I've since updated the crossover with slightly more laid back voicing. Jonathan will be receiving the updated crossovers next week. The frequency response, group delay and distortion measures all look really good and I can't wait for people to have a chance to take a listen.
Jon has 212HT’s now??
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Jon has 212HT’s now?
He has a set of demo 212HT's that Jeff brought to KC in February. I have the demo 4000ULF.

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He has a set of demo 212HT's that Jeff brought to KC in February. I have the demo 4000ULF.
Nice Michael! I was lucky enough to get the first 4000ULF off the line. I know what you are going through. Glad to see Jonathan got a set of 212HT’s as he has always loved them.
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Tom is pretty humble and he would even be the first to say that the JTR 228 would be a better pick. I talked to him along time ago when they were first rolling off the line and he said as much. I did hear the MTM210 and I thought it sounded very good. It was not set up in the best of conditions and IMO sounded very good under the circumstances.


Right on. He shared this comparison on the PSA thread

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I asked this awhile back and wanted to get more opinions. I got ahold of a few speakers for overhead and front heights for Atmos. After looking over my room, I don’t know if I want to mount them overhead for a few reasons. I have been thinking for quite some time about just using my slanted single 8’s which I have mounted at the top of the wall for side surrounds and move them over to overhead surrounds? I mean will that work? I figure I can mount the other speakers on the sides at ear level and just use the old side surrounds as over heads. So I guess my question is does anybody think that slanted single 8’s mounted on the walls would work for over heads? I mean hell, guys are using speakers on top of speakers for Atmos, I have to imagine that slanted 8’s could give overhead effect? My other thought is to use all four single 8’s as over heads and drop the rear surrounds? Oh my head is spinning!!

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Hey guys i'm hoping to get some of your opinions on what i should do next.

I currently own Ascend Acoustic Sierra 2's which i adore for music and like for movies. I'm looking for something more dynamic when it comes to movies. I've always been curious about about high efficiency speakers so i'm looking at JTR's.

Has anyone heard the NOESIS 228HT? They are within my budget but I've never heard a jtr speaker. How do they compare to PSA MTM-210? There's a $300 difference between the two. It would be a movie only room.

Is their anyone in California with JTR speakers that would be willing to let me listen?
I'm in the Bay Area, and you're welcome to audition 228HT. :-)
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Has anyone heard the NOESIS 228HT? They are within my budget but I've never heard a jtr speaker. How do they compare to PSA MTM-210? There's a $300 difference between the two. It would be a movie only room.

Is their anyone in California with JTR speakers that would be willing to let me listen?
It may be a far drive/flight, but if you are willing to travel to Folsom (Sacramento), you can come check-out/listen to my JTR set up. I am running 228HTRs for LCR. I cannot begin to describe how happy I am with their sound quality and performance. I know that you'd be too. PM me if you're interested.

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I freaking love avs forums and their members. Thank you so much for the detailed response and the link, i have some reading to do. Now if i could find someone in California who owns a pair of jtr speakers.....
I have the original 212HT(R) LCR & S8 surrounds in Sacramento area. You are welcome to demo.
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I asked this awhile back and wanted to get more opinions. I got ahold of a few speakers for overhead and front heights for Atmos. After looking over my room, I don’t know if I want to mount them overhead for a few reasons. I have been thinking for quite some time about just using my slanted single 8’s which I have mounted at the top of the wall for side surrounds and move them over to overhead surrounds? I mean will that work? I figure I can mount the other speakers on the sides at ear level and just use the old side surrounds as over heads. So I guess my question is does anybody think that slanted single 8’s mounted on the walls would work for over heads? I mean hell, guys are using speakers on top of speakers for Atmos, I have to imagine that slanted 8’s could give overhead effect? My other thought is to use all four single 8’s as over heads and drop the rear surrounds? Oh my head is spinning!!
I run Slanted 8HT-LP on-wall for my front Atmos and for my rear surrounds in my 5.1.4 set up. I've attached a pic of the front stage. One thing that I have found is that the Slanted 8s are so efficient that mixing them with other non-JTRs neuters them a bit when EQ'd. My rear Atmos are in-cleiling speakers that are not JTR and I suspect that they are significantly less efficient. I will be adding additional JTR speaker whenever we move to our next house and plan to use the four Slanted 8HT-LP for my Atmos speakers.
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I had both but sold the 228's to upgrade to the 212HTR.

the 228's I had were the old style with smaller metal waveguide. They have made a lot of changes to them since then so not sure how thow new ones would compare.

I do like the standard finish on the PSA speakers over JTR. The JTR has a lower crossover and bigger waveguide which may be better or not depending on what type of sound you like and the room.

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IMO the JTRs are significantly better components/materials and can handle much more power. No brainer for the difference in price JTRs are my my recommendation.

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I run Slanted 8HT-LP on-wall for my front Atmos and for my rear surrounds in my 5.1.4 set up. I've attached a pic of the front stage. One thing that I have found is that the Slanted 8s are so efficient that mixing them with other non-JTRs neuters them a bit when EQ'd. My rear Atmos are in-cleiling speakers that are not JTR and I suspect that they are significantly less efficient. I will be adding additional JTR speaker whenever we move to our next house and plan to use the four Slanted 8HT-LP for my Atmos speakers.
Thanks. I have some SCS8’s and they are 94db vs the 95db of the single 8’s, very close in sensitivity. I will be replacing them with 4 single 8’s very soon when I get some disposable money.
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Thanks. I have some SCS8’s and they are 94db vs the 95db of the single 8’s, very close in sensitivity. I will be replacing them with 4 single 8’s very soon when I get some disposable money.
Please post a comparison review of SCS8 vs Single8 (when playing music in stereo or when used as a center for dialogue reproduction) when you've received yours.
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We use TEF25 for development and quality control. However, since people are familiar with REW, we've been taking measurements with REW in the shop (NOT outdoor/free air or anechoic).
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I'm in the Bay Area, and you're welcome to audition 228HT. :-)
Thank you for the offer the wife and I were thinking about going back to San Fran for a weekend trip. Let me discuss with the wife and get back to you. I really want to hear these speakers.

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It may be a far drive/flight, but if you are willing to travel to Folsom (Sacramento), you can come check-out/listen to my JTR set up. I am running 228HTRs for LCR. I cannot begin to describe how happy I am with their sound quality and performance. I know that you'd be too. PM me if you're interested.

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I have the original 212HT(R) LCR & S8 surrounds in Sacramento area. You are welcome to demo.
I love this forum. I plan on stopping by @Scott Simonian place soon maybe I can do all three in the same trip.

Thank you for the offer guys.
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Noesis question! Is the 1.4" compression driver the same in the 228ht and the 212ht?
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Hi all,

I'm wondering if there are any JTR Speakers owners in or around the Bellingham, Washington area.

My Orbit Shifter LFU and Noesis 212HTs are in storage right now while I'm trying to buy a house. I want to show my realtor what I'm dealing with, to get on the same page as far as getting a sense of how far away I should be from neighbors. Ideally I want to be able to blast whenever I want.

If you're in the area and can give me a demo, or can put me in touch with somebody who can, let me know, thanks!

Alternatively, auditioning a non-JTR system that could hit similar SPLs should be fine too. So I'd be open to that if there are no JTR owners in the area.
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Hi all,

I'm wondering if there are any JTR Speakers owners in or around the Bellingham, Washington area.

My Orbit Shifter LFU and Noesis 212HTs are in storage right now while I'm trying to buy a house. I want to show my realtor what I'm dealing with, to get on the same page as far as getting a sense of how far away I should be from neighbors. Ideally I want to be able to blast whenever I want.

If you're in the area and can give me a demo, or can put me in touch with somebody who can, let me know, thanks!

Alternatively, auditioning a non-JTR system that could hit similar SPLs should be fine too. So I'd be open to that if there are no JTR owners in the area.
Check this thread if you havent, I dont think the first post if up to date so you might have to search or just post for your area. https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...ts-thread.html

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Check this thread if you havent, I dont think the first post if up to date so you might have to search or just post for your area. https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...ts-thread.html
I wasn't aware of it, thanks!
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