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I took delivery of a 212RT, 212RT, 212HTR back in April. Are these horns you speak of different than those?
You're using the 212HTR as a horizontal center right? It also has a wooden horn that can't be rotated. The 212HTR (as well as the 212RTs, but that is immaterial as you are not laying them down, are you?) has the same horizontal and vertical dispersion.

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You're using the 212HTR as a horizontal center right? It also has a wooden horn that can't be rotated. The 212HTR (as well as the 212RTs, but that is immaterial as you are not laying them down, are you?) has the same horizontal and vertical dispersion.


Correct. 212HTR as a horizontal center and 212RT and L/R. Yup, wooden horn on all of them.

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I have also decided to get the 212HTs instead because I have read that the 212HTs are just magical with music.

Also, I don't know if this has been posted here before...

Today Jeff informed me in an email that the newer horns that are built into the speaker cabinets have the same horizontal and vertical dispersion. IMO, this is a selling point!
Are they 60 degrees horizontal and vertical now?

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Are they 60 degrees horizontal and vertical now?
Yes, I believe so. Other than the SINGLE/SLANTED 8 HTs, they all have "...compression driver mounted on large, wooden horn with a 60 x 60 coverage pattern" now.
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Yes, I believe so. Other than the SINGLE/SLANTED 8 HTs, they all have "...compression driver mounted on large, wooden horn with a 60 x 60 coverage pattern" now.

I believe that all the versions with the wooden horns have the 60 x 60 dispersion pattern.
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Yes, I believe so. Other than the SINGLE/SLANTED 8 HTs, they all have "...compression driver mounted on large, wooden horn with a 60 x 60 coverage pattern" now.
What is the difference in the 212HT and the 212HTR? Why did you go with the HT's vs the HTR's?
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What is the difference in the 212HT and the 212HTR? Why did you go with the HT's vs the HTR's?
I know much more about JTR subs than the speakers...

You would have to go to JTR speakers' site to find out the difference between the HT and HTR. I know the R stands for reference and are of 3 way design.

I went with the 212HTs because they were the highest priced model that was on sale. To be honest, it is by far the most expensive speakers I have bought.

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What is the difference in the 212HT and the 212HTR? Why did you go with the HT's vs the HTR's?
The HTR has a 2 way compression driver. The HT is a one way compression driver. Would probably make sense to get 3 of the same models for LCR unless he meant the 212RT which is a tower version that is pretty much full range for music. In that case if you need a horizontal center the 212HTR would be a good match as they have the same sensitivity and same compression driver.
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My understanding is the R stands for reference, those speakers have a coaxial compression driver (high frequency and midrange combined), the BMS 4595HE:

http://www.bmsspeakers.com/index.php?id=bms_4595he0

Allows for a lower crossover to the woofers and more power handling. Significant price premium no doubt due to the driver and additional crossover parts for a 3 way design.


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My understanding is the R stands for reference, those speakers have a coaxial compression driver (high frequency and midrange combined), the BMS 4595HE:

http://www.bmsspeakers.com/index.php?id=bms_4595he0

Allows for a lower crossover to the woofers and more power handling. Significant price premium no doubt due to the driver and additional crossover parts for a 3 way design.


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The two way 4595HE by itself is over $700 if it sold off the shelf, Jeff has them customized for his builds. Yes, the "R" indicates the use of this very high quality two-way compression driver, which by all accounts is certainly an upgrade, most importantly if you intend to listen to music through your setup. The improvement is a little more subtle with movie soundtracks, but even if you plan to listen to music even 20% of the time, I'd get the HTR series.

By having the two-way compression driver in the design, it allows jeff to get more of the response horn-loaded by crossing to the mids lower, which is always beneficial for more pattern control.
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I think Jeff was having BMS add the two shorting rings and phase plug to the stock 4595, BMS then ended up releasing the "HE" unit with those additional features integrated.

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I just found out that the custom stands for JTR Neosis 212HT is $200 each.

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I just found out that the custom stands for JTR Neosis 212HT is $200 each.
For $300 more you could get the 212T which already has built in stands and digs deeper

Or did you get those on one of the sales they had recently?
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For $300 more you could get the 212T which already has built in stands and digs deeper

Or did you get those on one of the sales they had recently?
Yes! I did get the 212HTs that were on sale.

Yeah, at regular price, the 212T ($2,199) is more appealing than the 212HT ($1,899) + $200 custom stand... Maybe this is the reason the 212HTs were on sale to begin with?

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Yes! I did get the 212HTs that were on sale.

Yeah, at regular price, the 212T ($2,199) is more appealing than the 212HT ($1,899) + $200 custom stand... Maybe this is the reason the 212HTs were on sale to begin with?



Quick question: I'm assuming that the prices listed on the JTR web site are per speaker and not for a pair of speakers, correct?
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Quick question: I'm assuming that the prices listed on the JTR web site are per speaker and not for a pair of speakers, correct?
Yes, the prices are per speaker, not per pair.
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Yay!!! I received the BOL from Jeff today!

He wants me to receive the speakers ASAP so he expedited the shipment. Talk about customer service!!!

I hope I can get them before Christmas! I can't wait!!!

Speakers: L/C/R: JTR Noesis 212HT. Surrounds: Jamo C103, KEF Q100, Polk Audio RTiA3.
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Hey I was wondering if anybody knew if they shipped their subs to Canada (Montreal area).

I can't seem to get an answer using their contact info for the sales department. Do you guys know if there is a better way to get that information.

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Hey I was wondering if anybody knew if they shipped their subs to Canada (Montreal area).

I can't seem to get an answer using their contact info for the sales department. Do you guys know if there is a better way to get that information.

I would love to have a pair of cap 2400ulf.
I'm really sorry for the delay. We're running a little behind with the holiday rush. I should be able to get through all the emails today.
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So excited! Everything arrived undamaged and was able to unpackage one 212ht late last night to take a good look at it. Hooked one up to a 35 watt snap av amp I use for my garage system for a little jam session. Taking them to the basement soon. Really looking forward to setting these up in the theater room and get some hours in front of them. Happy holiday!

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So excited! Everything arrived undamaged and was able to unpackage one 212ht late last night to take a good look at it. Hooked one up to a 35 watt snap av amp I use for my garage system for a little jam session. Taking them to the basement soon. Really looking forward to setting these up in the theater room and get some hours in front of them. Happy holiday!
You lucky bastard!!!

Congratulations!

My 212HTs are still "In transit - ROCK ISLAND, IL" with an ETA of Dec 26, 2018. I called my local FeDex freight office and was told that there is a slight delay...

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I've got a pair of Noesis 215RM's on order for my rear surrounds. I still have to put in an order of 7 more Single/Slant 8HT speakers for heights/tops for my new theater, Ponderosa Theater.
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Took delivery of my 215RT'S that I ordered in Rosewood. Beautifully done. I knew that I wanted a few particulars that others might not have bothered with for various reasons. Mine were going to be in my living room and I knew that I wanted a finish that was going to be something other than black. The uncharge was certainly worth it. I also knew that I wanted to be able to move these 215 lb monsters easily so I also met with a caster company and poured over their whole inventory of casters and came up with ones that looked nice, were locking and were the right height. Jeff installed the casters and everything came together beautifully. Jeff will be back to do some fine tuning on the mindsp 10x10 and what I can tell you is that these sound simply amazing. I already have a dedicated theater in the lower level so these were ordered mainly for music and I can tell you that what you have read is certainly true about no subwoofer needed. The 215RT has a concentric horn that has a sound that can be laid back when called for and create a large sound soundstage when the dynamics in the source material present themselves. And what's not to love about those magical 15" drivers. The speakers are not coupled to the floor because they are on wheels but the deep tactile response is definitely present. These play low, very low but they do it cleanly. I am driving them with an Emotiva XPR-5 and these don't even flinch. I think I might need upgrade to something close to the 1KW range. Jeff will be out to measure with REW and make adjustments to the mindsp next month but I am enjoying these immensely. I have had many speakers through my over 30 years of being an audiophile and I have enjoyed many great speakers such as Legacy HD, NHT 3.3, Paradigm S8,KEF, Tekton and others that I cannot recall at the moment. I will say that to me the 215RT strikes the balance between brute power and audiophile sound. To me they are a bargain for what they bring. I used to change out speakers regularly in my theater room until Mark Seaton built me the first Catalyst. That was 10 years ago and I've never thought about replacing them. I also chased speakers in my 2 channel rig but I don't see how I can top these. Only thing left is to start chasing bookshelves. Anyone on the fence about Jeff's offerings should give him a call and have a conversation. His products are top notch. Happy Holidays!
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Took delivery of my 215RT'S that I ordered in Rosewood. Beautifully done. I knew that I wanted a few particulars that others might not have bothered with for various reasons. Mine were going to be in my living room and I knew that I wanted a finish that was going to be something other than black. The uncharge was certainly worth it. I also knew that I wanted to be able to move these 215 lb monsters easily so I also met with a caster company and poured over their whole inventory of casters and came up with ones that looked nice, were locking and were the right height. Jeff installed the casters and everything came together beautifully. Jeff will be back to do some fine tuning on the mindsp 10x10 and what I can tell you is that these sound simply amazing. I already have a dedicated theater in the lower level so these were ordered mainly for music and I can tell you that what you have read is certainly true about no subwoofer needed. The 215RT has a concentric horn that has a sound that can be laid back when called for and create a large sound soundstage when the dynamics in the source material present themselves. And what's not to love about those magical 15" drivers. The speakers are not coupled to the floor because they are on wheels but the deep tactile response is definitely present. These play low, very low but they do it cleanly. I am driving them with an Emotiva XPR-5 and these don't even flinch. I think I might need upgrade to something close to the 1KW range. Jeff will be out to measure with REW and make adjustments to the mindsp next month but I am enjoying these immensely. I have had many speakers through my over 30 years of being an audiophile and I have enjoyed many great speakers such as Legacy HD, NHT 3.3, Paradigm S8,KEF, Tekton and others that I cannot recall at the moment. I will say that to me the 215RT strikes the balance between brute power and audiophile sound. To me they are a bargain for what they bring. I used to change out speakers regularly in my theater room until Mark Seaton built me the first Catalyst. That was 10 years ago and I've never thought about replacing them. I also chased speakers in my 2 channel rig but I don't see how I can top these. Only thing left is to start chasing bookshelves. Anyone on the fence about Jeff's offerings should give him a call and have a conversation. His products are top notch. Happy Holidays!
Those look great in the natural wood. how big is the room they're in and how far back to you sit from them?
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Those look great in the natural wood. how big is the room they're in and how far back to you sit from them?
I’m sitting about 13ft back. The rear wall which incorpoates windows is approximately 18 ft wide if not more. That door to the right is the entrance so that’s the front of the place which is a 4 plex in row condo. And before anyone asks, my neighbors that I share a common wall with to my tight are great, I’ve had them over and the husband actually helped Jeff bring these monsters into the house. The part of the room that you can’t see extends into the kitchen so it’s somewhat of an open architecture.
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Took delivery of my 215RT'S that I ordered in Rosewood. Beautifully done. I knew that I wanted a few particulars that others might not have bothered with for various reasons. Mine were going to be in my living room and I knew that I wanted a finish that was going to be something other than black. The uncharge was certainly worth it. I also knew that I wanted to be able to move these 215 lb monsters easily so I also met with a caster company and poured over their whole inventory of casters and came up with ones that looked nice, were locking and were the right height. Jeff installed the casters and everything came together beautifully. Jeff will be back to do some fine tuning on the mindsp 10x10 and what I can tell you is that these sound simply amazing. I already have a dedicated theater in the lower level so these were ordered mainly for music and I can tell you that what you have read is certainly true about no subwoofer needed. The 215RT has a concentric horn that has a sound that can be laid back when called for and create a large sound soundstage when the dynamics in the source material present themselves. And what's not to love about those magical 15" drivers. The speakers are not coupled to the floor because they are on wheels but the deep tactile response is definitely present. These play low, very low but they do it cleanly. I am driving them with an Emotiva XPR-5 and these don't even flinch. I think I might need upgrade to something close to the 1KW range. Jeff will be out to measure with REW and make adjustments to the mindsp next month but I am enjoying these immensely. I have had many speakers through my over 30 years of being an audiophile and I have enjoyed many great speakers such as Legacy HD, NHT 3.3, Paradigm S8,KEF, Tekton and others that I cannot recall at the moment. I will say that to me the 215RT strikes the balance between brute power and audiophile sound. To me they are a bargain for what they bring. I used to change out speakers regularly in my theater room until Mark Seaton built me the first Catalyst. That was 10 years ago and I've never thought about replacing them. I also chased speakers in my 2 channel rig but I don't see how I can top these. Only thing left is to start chasing bookshelves. Anyone on the fence about Jeff's offerings should give him a call and have a conversation. His products are top notch. Happy Holidays!


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I honestly didn't think anyone would care otherwise I would have made sure to get that info. I did send an email to the local company that helped me choose the casters. It was not a slam dunk. I went through several samples that they were kind enough to let me hold onto for a couple of months. In the end the one I chose turned out to be none of those. The requirements were to obviously support the weight of the speakers, be locking and non marring on a wood floor. Oh, and not be ugly as sin. The one I chose fit the bill for me. If I get the info on the casters I will pass it along either in PM or publicly.
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Took delivery of my 215RT'S that I ordered in Rosewood. Beautifully done. I knew that I wanted a few particulars that others might not have bothered with for various reasons. Mine were going to be in my living room and I knew that I wanted a finish that was going to be something other than black. The uncharge was certainly worth it. I also knew that I wanted to be able to move these 215 lb monsters easily so I also met with a caster company and poured over their whole inventory of casters and came up with ones that looked nice, were locking and were the right height. Jeff installed the casters and everything came together beautifully. Jeff will be back to do some fine tuning on the mindsp 10x10 and what I can tell you is that these sound simply amazing. I already have a dedicated theater in the lower level so these were ordered mainly for music and I can tell you that what you have read is certainly true about no subwoofer needed. The 215RT has a concentric horn that has a sound that can be laid back when called for and create a large sound soundstage when the dynamics in the source material present themselves. And what's not to love about those magical 15" drivers. The speakers are not coupled to the floor because they are on wheels but the deep tactile response is definitely present. These play low, very low but they do it cleanly. I am driving them with an Emotiva XPR-5 and these don't even flinch. I think I might need upgrade to something close to the 1KW range. Jeff will be out to measure with REW and make adjustments to the mindsp next month but I am enjoying these immensely. I have had many speakers through my over 30 years of being an audiophile and I have enjoyed many great speakers such as Legacy HD, NHT 3.3, Paradigm S8,KEF, Tekton and others that I cannot recall at the moment. I will say that to me the 215RT strikes the balance between brute power and audiophile sound. To me they are a bargain for what they bring. I used to change out speakers regularly in my theater room until Mark Seaton built me the first Catalyst. That was 10 years ago and I've never thought about replacing them. I also chased speakers in my 2 channel rig but I don't see how I can top these. Only thing left is to start chasing bookshelves. Anyone on the fence about Jeff's offerings should give him a call and have a conversation. His products are top notch. Happy Holidays!
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I have not heard back from the caster company yet however here is a pic of the caster. It's the best one I could get. You might be able to make out the attached caster brake off to the right. They work quite well.
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