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Hey all. I'm in transition with gear, setup, etc. Def going to finally do the Atmos transition with 4 overheads. My question lies with heights and wides with Atmos. Is it necessary? I imagine heights no but wides could still have benefit just not sure how much if setup, room treatment is spot on.

Looking for any of your experiences with such thus far. with wides mainly and Atmos...
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Hey all. I'm in transition with gear, setup, etc. Def going to finally do the Atmos transition with 4 overheads. My question lies with heights and wides with Atmos. Is it necessary? I imagine heights no but wides could still have benefit just not sure how much if setup, room treatment is spot on.



Looking for any of your experiences with such thus far. with wides mainly and Atmos...


I have had Wide speakers since 2010. I was previously using them with Audyssey DSX.

Now I have a Dolby Atmos / DTS:X processor and the wides are not used very much with native Atmos content, even though they can be used.

Native DTS: X content does not use the wide speakers either, because there is an 11 channel limit (7 bed / 4 heights), and Wide speakers are not included in the bed channels.

For up-mixing, the Dolby Surround Upmixer (DSU) currently will not “map“ to the Wide channel speakers

The forthcoming sound format DTS: X Pro will eliminate the current DTS 11-channel limit, so the wide speakers might see more “widespread “use. We just have to wait and see.

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Any one know what is the dispersion angle for the Slanted 8LPs? I am looking for something around 120 degrees. The obvious choice seems to be bipole but can't find anything with high efficiency...


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Any one know what is the dispersion angle for the Slanted 8LPs? I am looking for something around 120 degrees. The obvious choice seems to be bipole but can't find anything with high efficiency...


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I believe all of the s8 speakers are 180 degrees.
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Any one know what is the dispersion angle for the Slanted 8LPs? I am looking for something around 120 degrees. The obvious choice seems to be bipole but can't find anything with high efficiency...


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Looking at some post before I found this info

"The JTR 8's use a custom version of the BMS 8CN552 and have a 90 degree dispersion pattern"

The JBL Control 328 have a dispersion pattern of 120 degrees if you're looking for some atmos speakers with high efficiency and wide dispersion pattern.

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I thought 120, either way coaxials cast a WIDE pattern. Is there a scenario where that wouldnt work?

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I thought 150, either way coaxials cast a WIDE pattern. Is there a scenario where that wouldnt work?



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The slanted 8 have a 150 degree dispersion? Where do you see that posted? I have tried to reach out to Jeff a few times but have had no response


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"The JTR 8's use a custom version of the BMS 8CN552 and have a 90 degree dispersion pattern"

The JBL Control 328 have a dispersion pattern of 120 degrees if you're looking for some atmos speakers with high efficiency and wide dispersion pattern.

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Haha, this is funny all the numbers being thrown around. It may be due to the fact that true dispersion of a coax is going to be frequency dependent and you have to look at it really as an average over the higher FR of the driver to even quote a singular number, albeit, this is exactly what most speaker manufacturers do to derive their one-off number for dispersion.

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Haha, this is funny all the numbers being thrown around. It may be due to the fact that true dispersion of a coax is going to be frequency dependent and you have to look at it really as an average over the higher FR of the driver to even quote a singular number, albeit, this is exactly what most speaker manufacturers do to derive their one-off number for dispersion.


Looking at my pictures above, do you think the single 8 LP work in that application? Wish i could just ask Jeff.


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Looking at my pictures above, do you think the single 8 LP work in that application? Wish i could just ask Jeff.


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While some wider dispersion would be nice, they should be fine. If you get down the road a little and really want to do it right, get a pair for each row.

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While some wider dispersion would be nice, they should be fine. If you get down the road a little and really want to do it right, get a pair for each row.


Thanks. Since I can’t get a response from Jeff, I am going to compare my current PSA 110SR in that spot and a couple of bipole speakers and see.


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Favorite JTR speaker for two-channel listening?


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215RT for me with 210RT right behind.

I bet the 215RM and 212RT are amazing as well. Basically any of the ‘R’ line of speakers with the exception of the 210RM.
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215RT for me with 210RT right behind.

I bet the 215RM and 212RT are amazing as well. Basically any of the ‘R’ line of speakers with the exception of the 210RM.
Thank you. I've been thinking about the 210RT recently and wondered how that might sound in a medium-sized room. The 215RT is a monster and might overwhelm me. The JTR speakers are intriguing.
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Thank you. I've been thinking about the 210RT recently and wondered how that might sound in a medium-sized room. The 215RT is a monster and might overwhelm me. The JTR speakers are intriguing.
I had the 210RT’s as LCR and upgraded to the 215RT’s. For the majority of music I probably couldn't tell the difference. The 215RT’s go down to 12hz or so in my room so they have a deeper bottom end, but the majority of music doesn’t go that low. The 210RT’s went to about 30hz in my room.
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212RT/210RT currently. Only because the horn/compression driver is closer to ear level than the 215RT. Ultimately the 215RT's can outperform the 212RT's. But the 212RT's can get louder if you care to have blood coming out of your ears.
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Were do you live? You might be able to get a member of the JTR thread to demo them for you in their home.



If you are close to WI, Jeff or I could demo for your personally.
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Were do you live? You might be able to get a member of the JTR thread to demo them for you in their home.



If you are close to WI, Jeff or I could demo for your personally.
Wonderful offer and I appreciate that. I'm in Ann Arbor, Michigan. I've driven to Madison before and it was a wild ride. Very exciting tolls around the Chicago area. I doubt I'll make it over there but thank you.

I'm very confident that I would enjoy the 210 & 212 in the RT format. I feel good about that. This could happen.
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Wonderful offer and I appreciate that. I'm in Ann Arbor, Michigan. I've driven to Madison before and it was a wild ride. Very exciting tolls around the Chicago area. I doubt I'll make it over there but thank you.

I'm very confident that I would enjoy the 210 & 212 in the RT format. I feel good about that. This could happen.
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I have the relatively meager Noesis 212HTs. I originally ordered the 228HTs but switched to the 212HTs at the 11th hour because they were the most expensive models on sale last Thanksgiving. Even at the special price of $1599 shipped, it was still a lot of money. One 212HT cost more than my last front stage combined.

Before I received them, I was afraid that I couldn't discern the sound quality from these. Boy was I wrong... The 212HTs are neutral with fuller sounding voicing. Now I am bombarded with mid / high bass. Movie dialogues are crystal clear and crisp and just hook me to the screen. Sometimes I am spooked by the dynamics or the attack. I listen with Audyssey Flat and they are never fatiguing to me. I feel like crying every time I hear them. They are worth every penny.

So grab whichever model that fit your budget. If the lower end 2 way 212HTs sound like this, I can only imagine how the 3 way Reference series sound.
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