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It seems you have around 32" under the screen area, so if you lay your speakers on their sides(which you can because they are coaxials), you can fit most JTR subs under them... Alternatively, you can also get 3 16"~18" speaker stands and put a Cap 2400 between the speakers.
Thanks for taking a look and for the suggestion. You are pretty darned close on your estimates, I’m talking to Jeff now about integrating a Cap
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for @savefarris and @irishluck73 ... Did either of you have or hear the 8HT and can compare to these new 110HT?
I'm running (3) 110HT for LCR and (2) 8HT for my rear surrounds. I haven't listened to them side by side as a comparison but am happy to do so. I'm out of town this weekend but will do an A/B comparison when I get back next week.

Was watching Stranger Things last night on Netflix and the 110HT have serious impact! Very impressed.

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That would be appreciated .. thank you very much
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I'm wondering what the 2020 Noesis 110HT gets me that my Klipsch RP160 speakers don't. I'm guessing there are benefits, but I'd like to get a sense for what they are. The Klipsch handle the 3 in my 3.2 tv&movie setup. Going all JTR would be sweet but it would be a serious move. I'd have to have the 110HT speakers painted to match my subs, so this would take some time and represent a long-term move.
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What Center speakers would go with, let's say, the 210RT?

I have Ascend Sierra Towers with RAAL ribbons and I must say, there is no listening fatigue and the Horizon Sierra Center is pretty decent (it too has RAAL ribbons. But I have been lusting at the JTR 210RT and didn't know if the Seirra Horizon Center would work.

My experience with horn tweeters in past (klipsch) caused ringing in my ears (i have nerve damage in right ear) but the RAAL do not. So I did not know if JTR 210RT would be similar.

Most of my listening is 80% movies, 20% music.

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I'm wondering what the 2020 Noesis 110HT gets me that my Klipsch RP160 speakers don't. I'm guessing there are benefits, but I'd like to get a sense for what they are. The Klipsch handle the 3 in my 3.2 tv&movie setup. Going all JTR would be sweet but it would be a serious move. I'd have to have the 110HT speakers painted to match my subs, so this would take some time and represent a long-term move.
IMO, the 2020 Noesis 110HT should provide more mid/high bass and vocal detail (slightly elevated 100~300Hz) and flatter and smoother treble. I would say if you like the Klipsch RP160s, you will LOVE the 2020 Noesis 110HTs.

The Noesis 110HTs are really intended to be wall-hung or corner loaded to have extension to 73Hz. In this regard, they are perfect as surrounds or even Atmos speakers. If you can't put the 110HTs on a boundary, or use a higher crossover of 100~120Hz, you might be better off going with Single 8HTs.

If I were you, I would try the stock finish 110HTs first before ordering piano lacquer finished ones. A 110HT should be around 30lbs and shipping 2-way shouldn't cost that much.

I find it funny that my last fronts were the Polk Audio LSiM 703s and I thought they were considered heavy bookshelves. The 110HT is around the same weight and is one of the lighter speakers JTR offers. This goes to show the goodies that are packed inside JTR speakers.
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What Center speakers would go with, let's say, the 210RT?

I have Ascend Sierra Towers with RAAL ribbons and I must say, there is no listening fatigue and the Horizon Sierra Center is pretty decent (it too has RAAL ribbons. But I have been lusting at the JTR 210RT and didn't know if the Seirra Horizon Center would work.

My experience with horn tweeters in past (klipsch) caused ringing in my ears (i have nerve damage in right ear) but the RAAL do not. So I did not know if JTR 210RT would be similar.

Most of my listening is 80% movies, 20% music.
The 210RM is the matching center for the 210RT.

Klipsch speakers can be shrill and ear fatiguing at times. The JTR’s are not like this at all. Your current center would not be a good match for the 210RT’s in my opinion. You could always try it and see what you think
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I think Bear summed it up nicely. PLEASE don't listen to youtube vids to make any type of judgement call on speakers. That's completely silly. Try to find someone or somewhere to demo out what you may be interested in...PERIOD.
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You do realize that listening to anything on your speakers is only showing you what your speakers sound like, right? And absolutely nothing at all with how the speakers that were playing sound like? Furthermore, what are the chances that the recording even accurately captured the sound of the speakers in the first place. I mean, if I play a youtube video of Revel Salon 2's playing a song on my $100 speakers, that means I'm hearing what the $10,000 Revels sound like, right? In fact, I listen to a YouTube video of JTR biggest best speakers on my cell phone and they had no bass at all. I mean, thats a ridiculous and extreme example but what you are saying makes less than zero sense.
I understand that its stupid, I just seem to hear a certain sound signature with different speakers from different videos pretty constant, and I wouldnt buy speakers just based on youtube videos that would be pretty stupid
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The 210RM is the matching center for the 210RT.

Klipsch speakers can be shrill and ear fatiguing at times. The JTR’s are not like this at all. Your current center would not be a good match for the 210RT’s in my opinion. You could always try it and see what you think
Good to know. That 210RM is huge for center, my stand will have to be made of rocks! I plan on getting Two 7 channel monoliths which each weigh over 100 pounds.

So there is no ear fatigue with these horns speakers?

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What Center speakers would go with, let's say, the 210RT?

I have Ascend Sierra Towers with RAAL ribbons and I must say, there is no listening fatigue and the Horizon Sierra Center is pretty decent (it too has RAAL ribbons. But I have been lusting at the JTR 210RT and didn't know if the Seirra Horizon Center would work.

My experience with horn tweeters in past (klipsch) caused ringing in my ears (i have nerve damage in right ear) but the RAAL do not. So I did not know if JTR 210RT would be similar.
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Most of my listening is 80% movies, 20% music.
I've been wondering the same thing. I also own Sierra Towers and Horizon center with RAAL ribbons and also have been lusting over the JTR 210RT. Been toying with the idea of moving the Sierra Towers to surround duty and replacing them with the 210RT. But I think the timber mismatch between the Horizon and 210RT would be a problem (I haven't been considering replacing the Horizon).

I can't afford to make any changes now, as we have other major household projects eating up finances. But if you do switch to the 210RT, I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on how the Ascends and JTRs compare.

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Good to know. That 210RM is huge for center, my stand will have to be made of rocks! I plan on getting Two 7 channel monoliths which each weigh over 100 pounds.

So there is no ear fatigue with these horns speakers?
The 210RTs are silky smooth. I had the same thought that the horns might be on the shrill side but they are definitely not. I really don't think I will be purchasing any more speakers after these. (ok, maybe a few more 8HT's for surround duty )
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The 210RTs are silky smooth. I had the same thought that the horns might be on the shrill side but they are definitely not. I really don't think I will be purchasing any more speakers after these. (ok, maybe a few more 8HT's for surround duty )
That is good to hear. If I do purchase them, I will move the Sierra Towers (RAAL) to surrounds. Have no idea what to do with the Horizon Center.

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I’m looking for recommendations for an external amp and if it would make any difference in my setup. I currently have a 7.2 setup with LCR as JTR 212htr and slant 8’s as surrounds powered only by a Denon 4520 receiver. It’s mostly used for movies and though i don’t really find it lacking but wanted to check if i’m missing out on anything here without an ext amp.

Volume level is normally set at about 10-15 below reference and MLP is about 15 ft in a dedicated room
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I’m looking for recommendations for an external amp and if it would make any difference in my setup. I currently have a 7.2 setup with LCR as JTR 212htr and slant 8’s as surrounds powered only by a Denon 4520 receiver. It’s mostly used for movies and though i don’t really find it lacking but wanted to check if i’m missing out on anything here without an ext amp.

Volume level is normally set at about 10-15 below reference and MLP is about 15 ft in a dedicated room
Sound quality might improve a bit. But in terms of power your Denon is fine at 10dB below reference for the slanted 8 and 212HTR setup.


For a little more science behind the answer:

Your Denon is capable of about 120 Watts per channel, 7 channels driven @ 8 ohm (Per Sound and Vision Review)

JTR 212HTR's from 15' MLP can get up to 112dB
JTR Slanted 8HT's from 15' MLP can get up to 106dB

You are only asking the speakers to play at a peak of 95dB when you are -10dB from reference.


So headroom is available from a power stand point. Most users with JTR get separates for the sonics differences and characteristics.
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According to the 212HTR specs, it is a 4 ohm speaker, which will put more demand on the Denon. They also can handle 2000 watts {program} which means they can handle 2000 watts continuous for an hour of time. That is a robust speaker for sure. My own speakers, { Klipsch Epic CF3's} have a program of 500. Just for fun mind you, I wanted an amp that was more in line with the specs of those speakers and also would never be taxed, no matter how far I spun the volume dial. I bought a Crown K2 to power them, which puts out 500 watts a side. since your thinking about a separate amp, have fun and find something to fill the bill.

Perhaps if the price is right, a 3 channel amp from D-Sonic, 1350 watts at 4 ohms. I think you will be covered for all contingencies, including your occasional outdoor concert, if desired.

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I’m looking for recommendations for an external amp and if it would make any difference in my setup. I currently have a 7.2 setup with LCR as JTR 212htr and slant 8’s as surrounds powered only by a Denon 4520 receiver. It’s mostly used for movies and though i don’t really find it lacking but wanted to check if i’m missing out on anything here without an ext amp.

Volume level is normally set at about 10-15 below reference and MLP is about 15 ft in a dedicated room
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Good to know. That 210RM is huge for center, my stand will have to be made of rocks! I plan on getting Two 7 channel monoliths which each weigh over 100 pounds.

So there is no ear fatigue with these horns speakers?
The issue for me is that these large speakers (I have 215RT's as LCR) produce accurate sound so effortlessly that I have a tendency to keep cranking up the volume to concert/theater levels (because I have a dedicated-treated space and can ). Listening loud will produce listening fatigue as well as hearing loss with any speaker so I have throttled back a great deal on the movie/music session levels. Depending upon mood and for the right movie or music, I still let them off the leash occasionally.

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I’m looking for recommendations for an external amp and if it would make any difference in my setup. I currently have a 7.2 setup with LCR as JTR 212htr and slant 8’s as surrounds powered only by a Denon 4520 receiver. It’s mostly used for movies and though i don’t really find it lacking but wanted to check if i’m missing out on anything here without an ext amp. 3-CHerry $2590?

Volume level is normally set at about 10-15 below reference and MLP is about 15 ft in a dedicated room
I will let the others answer if an external amp will make any difference.

As for recommendation, maybe the 3-CHerry for $2,590 shipped?

Something from Emotiva or Monoprice?

Maybe you wanna try something really affordable, such as the Crown XLS1002 $289 first?
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Good to know. That 210RM is huge for center, my stand will have to be made of rocks!
This is what's under my 125lb 212HT...

Yes, a $55 IKEA Besta TV stand frame.
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I looked on website but there is no info on these yet. From reading it looks like a few have been purchased. Can someone give me the specs on these? Is there a wall mount option on the rear of them? 2020 Noesis 110XM? Looks like there are two versions XT & XM? I'm interested I'm the XM spec?

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The issue for me is that these large speakers (I have 215RT's as LCR) produce accurate sound so effortlessly that I have a tendency to keep cranking up the volume to concert/theater levels (because I have a dedicated-treated space and can ). Listening loud will produce listening fatigue as well as hearing loss with any speaker so I have throttled back a great deal on the movie/music session levels. Depending upon mood and for the right movie or music, I still let them off the leash occasionally.
So you do not detect the fatigue while listening like one would with the shrill of some horn speakers?

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Yes, a $55 IKEA Besta TV stand frame.
what are the dimensions of that stand?

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I looked on website but there is no info on these yet. From reading it looks like a few have been purchased. Can someone give me the specs on these? Is there a wall mount option on the rear of them? 2020 Noesis 110XM? Looks like there are two versions XT & XM? I'm interested I'm the XM spec?

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The 2020 Noesis 110XM is a pro Monitor, which are either pole mounted or placed on the floor with the driver facing the performer at in incline.

Like the 110HTs or the Single 8HTs, basically these can be wall-mounted by simply adding keyholes at the back.
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The 2020 Noesis 110XM is a pro Monitor, which are either pole mounted or placed on the floor with the driver facing the performer at in incline.

Like the 110HTs or the Single 8HTs, basically these can be wall-mounted by simply adding keyholes at the back.


So are they fairly large? Don’t have a ton of clearance between side wall and seating so I was curious how far they would extend from the wall.


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So are they fairly large? Don’t have a ton of clearance between side wall and seating so I was curious how far they would extend from the wall.
These are fairly large, typical for stage monitors.

I don't think they are lower profile than say the 110HT (8" deep), Single 8HT-LP (7" deep) or the Slanted 8HT-lp ( 3.3" ~ 8" deep)
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The Noesis 110HTs are really intended to be wall-hung or corner loaded to have extension to 73Hz. In this regard, they are perfect as surrounds or even Atmos speakers. If you can't put the 110HTs on a boundary, or use a higher crossover of 100~120Hz, you might be better off going with Single 8HTs...
I've got my 110HT about 6" - 8" off of a boundary wall and my Cap 1400 crossed over @ 80Hz. They sound fantastic at that crossover and I don't see the need to adjust it.

Anyone have recommendations for comparing the 8HT and the 110HT, music or movie wise, to accentuate any differences that might help others make a decision? I'll attempt a mini-shootout this week and have a few non-audio nerd friends listen as well.
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