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Which Tektons did you get?
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If you are talking about towers, yeah...

However, Jeff does use relative expensive parts so it's hard to produce them under $2000 a pair. Take the Noesis 212HTs, one of the lower end dual woofer JTR speakers, for example, each 12" neo woofer costs $245. The compression driver and 2 neo woofers alone cost close to, if not more than, $1,000.

Jeff is extremely picky about what he puts into his speakers. If other companies were to come out with speakers using all the goodies in JTR speakers, the finished product would be considered "cost no object" speakers. I remember after I have had the Noesis 212HTs for about a month, I text him and told him that these speakers sound fabulous. He thanked me and asked if I have measured them. Why? Good sound is highly subjective but distortion is measurable and objective. He is proud of how loud his speakers can play effortlessly with ultra low distortion!

I think you should at least try the Single 8HTs. In fact, last November, he told me I would be very satisfied with them, even though they were the most affordable ones. I opted for the maximum savings and got Noesis 212HTs eventually.

The Single 8HTs are light so they would be ~ $150 shipped both ways even if you end up returning them.
I know he puts in good stuff no doubt. But there's always a way to make a good speaker for a little less to cater to another market--people who probably look in the 1,500-2,000 pr price point like me. After all, in HT we put more HT cred to a very good center & subs. This was my priority with my room. Since I splurged on JTR subs, didn't want to spend as much on LR speakers.

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Am I missing something? Dont see these on the site?

They are new.


Jeff is working to get the site switched over to another hosting and managing company, so not all the products he offers are listed unfortunately.

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They are new.


Jeff is working to get the site switched over to another hosting and managing company, so not all the products he offers are listed unfortunately.
Ahhh Gotcha is there any photos of these? price point of the 110HTs ? I'm looking to add speakers in another room that feeds off same AVR/amp that Feeds my Tektons.

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$999, but there are possible discounts based on how many are purchased. And there were a few pictures a few pages back next to an OLED TV.



Please call Jeff or e-mail him. Just let him know you know me from the forum and he will take care of you.
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$999, but there are possible discounts based on how many are purchased. And there were a few pictures a few pages back next to an OLED TV.



Please call Jeff or e-mail him. Just let him know you know me from the forum and he will take care of you.
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Ahhh Gotcha is there any photos of these? price point of the 110HTs ? I'm looking to add speakers in another room that feeds off same AVR/amp that Feeds my Tektons.
Pictures and specs:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-sp...l#post58250502

You are a repeat customer. Just contact Jeff and see what he can do for you.
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Hey guys- i’m upgrading to an atmos capable receiver (finally!) and looking to see what folks here have as in-ceiling alternatives to jtr for atmos? Current setup is an all round 7.2 JTR and ceiling height is 8’ so prefer not having any boxed speakers hanging

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Hey guys- i’m upgrading to an atmos capable receiver (finally!) and looking to see what folks here have as in-ceiling alternatives to jtr for atmos? Current setup is an all round 7.2 JTR and ceiling height is 8’ so prefer not having any boxed speakers hanging

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JBL Control in ceiling are very good and would work well as they have a compression driver also.

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Hey guys- i’m upgrading to an atmos capable receiver (finally!) and looking to see what folks here have as in-ceiling alternatives to jtr for atmos? Current setup is an all round 7.2 JTR and ceiling height is 8’ so prefer not having any boxed speakers hanging
For ATMOS my plan is to go with MartinLogan ElectroMotion R 8" in-ceiling speakers. They can be aimed (somewhat), have a frequency response of 37 Hz - 25 kHz, impedance 4 ohms, and sensitivity of 92 dB. Sound-wise I'm hoping they'll be a reasonably good match for the JTRs.

They're available at my local big blue electronics retailer, albeit fairly pricey. Luckily I only need 4 of them.

For comparison, my HT system consists of 9 JTRs (3 fronts, 4 sides, 2 rears) with two SVS SB-16 Ultra subs for the low frequencies controlled by a Denon X8500H 13.2 receiver.

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For ATMOS my plan is to go with MartinLogan ElectroMotion R 8" in-ceiling speakers. They can be aimed (somewhat), have a frequency response of 37 Hz - 25 kHz, impedance 4 ohms, and sensitivity of 92 dB. Sound-wise I'm hoping they'll be a reasonably good match for the JTRs.

They're available at my local big blue electronics retailer, albeit fairly pricey. Luckily I only need 4 of them.

For comparison, my HT system consists of 9 JTRs (3 fronts, 4 sides, 2 rears) with two SVS SB-16 Ultra subs for the low frequencies controlled by a Denon X8500H 13.2 receiver.
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For ATMOS my plan is to go with MartinLogan ElectroMotion R 8" in-ceiling speakers. They can be aimed (somewhat), have a frequency response of 37 Hz - 25 kHz, impedance 4 ohms, and sensitivity of 92 dB. Sound-wise I'm hoping they'll be a reasonably good match for the JTRs.



They're available at my local big blue electronics retailer, albeit fairly pricey. Luckily I only need 4 of them.



For comparison, my HT system consists of 9 JTRs (3 fronts, 4 sides, 2 rears) with two SVS SB-16 Ultra subs for the low frequencies controlled by a Denon X8500H 13.2 receiver.


Do you notice any timbre mis match or do they just blend in with rest of the JTR? How about the dynamics?


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JBL Control in ceiling are very good and would work well as they have a compression driver also.



http://www.jblpro.com/www/products/i...c#.XVNtqONKiJA

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The 328C does not require one. PDF says - optional backbox available

The 227C does need it but sold separately oddly enough. - For Use with Pre-Install Backcan
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Is there a summarry anywhere of the advantages and intended applications of the various speaker models?

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Is there a summarry anywhere of the advantages and intended applications of the various speaker models?
HT = home theater. R = Reference. RT = Reference Tower. RM = Reference Moniter. T = Tower.

The Single 8HT / 110HT / HT series are the more affordable models. They are 2 way and extend to as low as 60Hz (212HT). Due to their smaller size and lower cost, many use the Single 8HT variants (LP) as surrounds or even ATMOS.

Reference series are 3 way designs.

The Towers can dig down to as low as 18Hz (215RT).

For movies only, many might stop at the HT series. Serious music listener might want to go up to the reference series.

Talk to Jeff regarding your budget. In fact, last November, I texted him about the November promotion. I almost pulled the trigger on the second Cap 4000ULF. We talked shop about JTR speakers in texts. I told him that I have not considered spending more than $700 per speaker. He never tried to upsell the more expensive models. It was yours truly that wanted more magic with music. In the end, I ordered the 212HTs.

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This weekend @chucky7 hosted me at his place to demonstrate his JTR set up. It was a ton of fun and quite impressive. His 212HTs are amazing. And the Cap 4000 was absolutely incredible with all that port wind! We listened to several different types of music including some concert videos and many bass heavy video clips. Thank you again Chucky!
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You're welcome!

BassMojo was in SoCal so we had a mini-GTG on last Friday night. We had a great time hanging out and chilling. It's a very unique experience because:
1) BassMojo is already a big JTR fan and owns more JTR speakers and subs than I do. He can better express why JTR speakers are so good.
2) We have similar tastes in music because I listen to half of the songs he played on Spotify.

I didn't have to wow BassMojo with the Cap 4000ULF because he already has more fire power than I do. He has 3 Cap 2400s with 2 nearfield, but my normal -8dB movie MV is much higher than his -20dB MV. Though I have very modest electronics, he still enjoyed listening to the 212HTs. I asked him the difference between his 228HTRs and my 212HTs. He said the mid range and treble on his 228HTRs sounded better but my 212HTs sounded fuller and punchier. BassMojo played some guitar songs with a ton of dynamics that made my jaw drop. I would like to explore those.

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Look what I found... A post more than 4 years ago showing what the entry level Slanted 8HT looks like under the hood:

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I'd like to take a brief intermission to show everyone what the entry level Slanted 8 looks like under the covers. I took them apart as I mounted them into the ceiling at the rear of the room for the rear surround speakers of my 7.1. Another pair of Slanted 8s will be mounted up high on the side walls for the side surrounds.

Before I get to the internals of the Slanted 8, here is a picture of the 2x12 mounting plate I put up in the ceiling. I cut and glued a square mounting base of 2x3s underneath and that base is screwed into the side of the joists while the 2x12 mounting plate (shown) is screwed into the square mounting base made of 2x3s.


And here is a side view of the Slanted 8 mounted in the ceiling. Now my wife and I just have to fix the drywall and paint the ceiling and Slanted 8s. While we were doing all of this ceiling surgery, I also ran Cat6 for a HDMI extender and 12/2 electrical cable to handle a projector, which I will likely install this fall.


Here is the initial inside view of the Slanted 8. Also seen in the ceiling mounted side view, the cabinet construction is very good and it is an incredibly solid little box.


Here is a similar view with the insulation taken out. For an entry level 2-way, this seems like one hell of a crossover. (The big screw is a cabinet mounting screw that I'm using 4 of to make sure the S8 is mounted solidly to the ceiling.)


And here is a straight on view of the crossover.


And here is a view of the driver: back, front, and side. The side view gives a good shot of the BMS compression driver mounted to the back of the midrange speaker.


https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-sp...l#post24654113

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I know he puts in good stuff no doubt. But there's always a way to make a good speaker for a little less to cater to another market--people who probably look in the 1,500-2,000 pr price point like me. After all, in HT we put more HT cred to a very good center & subs. This was my priority with my room. Since I splurged on JTR subs, didn't want to spend as much on LR speakers.


Where are you all seeing $2k/pr for the HT series for JTR. They are listed at $1900 each for the 212HT.


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Where are you all seeing $2k/pr for the HT series for JTR. They are listed at $1900 each for the 212HT.
The Single 8HTs (and the variants) are $1,798/pair + shipping.


The 2020 Noesis 110HTs are $1,998/pair + shipping.

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The Single 8HTs (and the variants) are $1,798/pair + shipping.


The 2020 Noesis 110HTs are $1,998/pair + shipping.

Ah ok. I was going straight for the lower end of the bigger boys....

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For ATMOS my plan is to go with MartinLogan ElectroMotion R 8" in-ceiling speakers. They can be aimed (somewhat), have a frequency response of 37 Hz - 25 kHz, impedance 4 ohms, and sensitivity of 92 dB. Sound-wise I'm hoping they'll be a reasonably good match for the JTRs.

They're available at my local big blue electronics retailer, albeit fairly pricey. Luckily I only need 4 of them.

For comparison, my HT system consists of 9 JTRs (3 fronts, 4 sides, 2 rears) with two SVS SB-16 Ultra subs for the low frequencies controlled by a Denon X8500H 13.2 receiver.
Do you notice any timbre mis match or do they just blend in with rest of the JTR? How about the dynamics?
Apologies, that's the one thing in my signature I haven't purchased and installed yet, so I can't say.

Regarding timbre-matching... I would have preferred to use Single 8HT-LP for ATMOS to match the sides/rears, but I don't have the ceiling space in my small-ish HT room.

My AVR is pretty good, and I'll use Audyssey MultEQ XT to match the levels closely. Further, precise timbre-matching is less important with ATMOS speakers since it's mostly used for effects (explosions, rain, thunder, etc). They say that ATMOS channels aren't used as much for voices where you might notice a change in timbre. Regardless, I'm hoping the Martin Logans will be reasonably close.

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SUBS: 2 x SVS SB16-Ultra | L/C/R: 3 x JTR 228HT | SURROUNDS: 6 x JTR Single 8HT-lp
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Which would do better as a center - the 228htr or 210rm?

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Which would do better as a center - the 228htr or 210rm?
I'd prefer the one that is the same as the left and right
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Which would do better as a center - the 228htr or 210rm?
If I have to choose, I would go with the one that has larger woofers. The 210's woofers larger X-Max have more potential to provide more bass which is very beneficial for center speakers. In addition, With the 210 series, you can go with towers (210RTs) as mains or stick with the 210RM L/C/R. You can't do that with 228 series.
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AVR: Denon AVR-X4400H. TV: Samsung UN75NU8000FXZA.

FS: Jamo C103, KEF Q100 and Polk RTiA3
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I was talking to SOWK about this too since I was considering the 210rm to accompany my pair of 210rt as the center, just because it's a bit cheaper. He has 212rt as his LCR (and wides too). He talked me off the ledge and I'm going with the 210rt as the center so that all 3 match. The LCR are the 3 most important pieces in my opinion, so they should be seamless.
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