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Also, there is a question of height. From an audio perspective, ear-level tweeter at the MLP is ideal.
This is what I've always thought as well. However I got an email reply from Jeff @ JTR and he said that behind an AT screen "you want the center of the horn centered on the screen. This way sound comes from where it appears it should."

Thoughts on this positioning anybody?
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This is what I've always thought as well. However I got an email reply from Jeff @ JTR and he said that behind an AT screen "you want the center of the horn centered on the screen. This way sound comes from where it appears it should."

Thoughts on this positioning anybody?
That's true, although there are some caveats. If you go too high, you need to worry about angling down the speaker. Also, when the screen gets too high, it becomes uncomfortable to watch (sore necks.) It's better to address sight lines with stadium seating than with a high screen.

So, you might end up somewhere in the middle between ear height and screen center. That's still a lot nicer than having the sound come from above or below the screen.

Again, using cinder blocks for an adjustable height it nice for this, since it gives you freedom to experiment, rather than setting it in stone before you can experiment.
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Hi all!!

Just placed an order with Jeff for 2x cap4000’s and 3x 212HTR’s. Been dreaming of a home theater build like this for 15 years now, and knew I wanted Jeff’s speakers since 2015. Excited to join the family!

I read a few posts above regarding DIY surround options that can keep up with these speakers, and I was looking specifically at the volt 10’s from DIYsoundgroup. Anyone have experience along these lines? Maybe there’s another speaker option from their website that is a better option? My main concern is voice matching and power handling. I’ll be configuring a 5.2.6 surround system.
Some have reported using Klipsch bookshelf speakers, RP-600M / 500M, or surround speakers RP-502S / 402S with decent results.

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Visible and I use the 215RM horizontal mounted above a 77" LG C9.


Good grief. How is that monster mounted?
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Above ?

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Good grief. How is that monster mounted?
It's a living room so I need a TV. Would love a AT screen with the center in the middle. I've always preferred the center above vs below. And this just makes room for a couple JTR S2s below the TV.

Don't mind the rest of the room. We are doing floor and paint.

Here's a quick picture while I'm watching Jack Ryan Season 2.

Just a shelf with wall brackets. $40 Home Depot.

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It's a living room so I need a TV. Would love a AT screen with the center in the middle. I've always preferred the center above vs below. And this just makes room for a couple JTR S2s below the TV.

Don't mind the rest of the room. We are doing floor and paint.

Here's a quick picture while I'm watching Jack Ryan Season 2.

Just a shelf with wall brackets. $40 Home Depot.


Looks good!
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How much toe in on the front L/R are you all using?

I had mine toe’d in slightly, where L faced the center of the two seats on the left, and R faced the center of the two seats on the right.

Now I’ve toe’d them in much more but I’m worried it will be too much.

I’ve got L facing the left seat of the right row, and R facing the right seat of the left row.

I’m worried about the outer positions? Am I taking too much away from them?

This seems like extreme toe in, but I’ve read it enhances the sweet spot.

Second and third picture are outside seats, fourth and fifth picture are from inside seats.

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^^^^^^
In the pictures that looks like way too much, but it really all comes down to how it sounds to you.
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How much toe in on the front L/R are you all using?
Sweet room. Where did you get the slotted side pieces, which I assume are traps?
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^^^^^^

In the pictures that looks like way too much, but it really all comes down to how it sounds to you.


Yuppers. I moved them again.

Starting out I was at L pointing to center of left row, R pointing to center of right row.

I’m going to try L point to inside chair of left row, R pointing to inside chair of right row.
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Sweet room. Where did you get the slotted side pieces, which I assume are traps?


Thanks! GIK is where I purchased them from. Their Alpha series.
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Yuppers. I moved them again.

Starting out I was at L pointing to center of left row, R pointing to center of right row.

I’m going to try L point to inside chair of left row, R pointing to inside chair of right row.

Do you listen to any 2 channel music in your room? Very nice, by the way.
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Do you listen to any 2 channel music in your room? Very nice, by the way.


Thanks!!

Not at all. If I listen to any music it’s in Multi-CH Stereo or All-CH Stereo.
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How much toe in on the front L/R are you all using?

I had mine toe’d in slightly, where L faced the center of the two seats on the left, and R faced the center of the two seats on the right.

Now I’ve toe’d them in much more but I’m worried it will be too much.

I’ve got L facing the left seat of the right row, and R facing the right seat of the left row.

I’m worried about the outer positions? Am I taking too much away from them?

This seems like extreme toe in, but I’ve read it enhances the sweet spot.

Second and third picture are outside seats, fourth and fifth picture are from inside seats.
I have my L speaker pointing at A and R speaker pointing at B as shown below:



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Please share where you got that center stand!

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I have my L speaker pointing at A and R speaker pointing at B as shown below:




Please share where you got that center stand!


A member here had Jeff make it for them. It’s designed specifically for the 212HTR. I picked it up off of them when they went with a acoustic trans screen.
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A member here had Jeff make it for them. It’s designed specifically for the 212HTR. I picked it up off of them when they went with a acoustic trans screen.


I smile everytime I see pics of your room, I'm glad to see it got a good home.

Ah the days before I hid all my firepower and blacked out half the room...




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I just added a 700watt monoblock for my center 210RM, is it necessary to rerun Audessey? I just don't want to have to dial my subs back in. The center is so much louder than it was before, I level matched it, but I have a feeling audessey does something else...?


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Kind of boring (it was fun seeing all those drivers) but sure does help the picture quality.






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I just added a 700watt monoblock for my center 210RM, is it necessary to rerun Audessey? I just don't want to have to dial my subs back in. The center is so much louder than it was before, I level matched it, but I have a feeling audessey does something else...?

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It depends on how you ran Audyssey.

Assuming that you changed the subs' gain and AVR sub level /cross-over.. etc after running Audyssey, just make a note of all those settings you had. Incorporate the new mono block, run Auddyssey, then apply the subwoofer settings.
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I smile everytime I see pics of your room, I'm glad to see it got a good home.



Ah the days before I hid all my firepower and blacked out half the room...











It was you!

It certainly got a good home, thanks to your generosity!
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I just added a 700watt monoblock for my center 210RM, is it necessary to rerun Audessey? I just don't want to have to dial my subs back in. The center is so much louder than it was before, I level matched it, but I have a feeling audessey does something else...?


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What do you think of the 210RM as a center channel? What did you replace and how does it compare?
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What do you think of the 210RM as a center channel? What did you replace and how does it compare?

I replaced a Martin Logan ESL-C center. It was always the weakest link in my setup. The 210RM is so damn loud and clear. I can hear every nuance of dialogue now. It really helped with the immersion in movies. The PS Audio monoblock stepped it up even further. It even made a huge difference for gaming on it, the center channel does quite a bit, I guess I had never really noticed because it was lacking so badly.


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I replaced a Martin Logan ESL-C center. It was always the weakest link in my setup. The 210RM is so damn loud and clear. I can hear every nuance of dialogue now. It really helped with the immersion in movies. The PS Audio monoblock stepped it up even further. It even made a huge difference for gaming on it, the center channel does quite a bit, I guess I had never really noticed because it was lacking so badly.


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Indeed...never skimp on the center channel in a multi-channel setup. It's literally the "anchor" for the entire system. I'm in the planning stages for revamping my setup next year and I've been following your journey closely!
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Indeed...never skimp on the center channel in a multi-channel setup. It's literally the "anchor" for the entire system. I'm in the planning stages for revamping my setup next year and I've been following your journey closely!

The Journey is still continuing. Added the PS Audio Stellar m700 monoblock to the center. Just got off the phone with Jeff with another order. Should be here next week sometime.



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^^^ Dual RS1s?
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Very cool. I’m looking forward to your comparison to your Rythmiks. More in the sound signature than output as the JTR should be more.

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New product offering: 2020 Noesis 210HT

Same size as the 210RM, but a 2 way with the crossover point at 700hz. $1599 ea internet direct.






The price point is excellent. I love the fuller mid-bass from 10+ inch woofers!

It's perfect for those wanting to stay under $2000 and can't accommodate speakers as large as the 212HTs.

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Anyone with insider knowledge know if the rumored audioholics review of the 212RT is coming soon?
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Anyone with insider knowledge know if the rumored audioholics review of the 212RT is coming soon?
It's not rumored. It's happening. We just don't know when we will see it.

Below is what an Audioholics reviewer said about a JTR speaker:



Reviewers usually have 3 to 6 months to do a review. Sometimes reviewers get a lot on their plates... For example, Youthman has had the new Cap RS2s for a few weeks now.

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