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Well, in line with my usual ready, fire, aim methodology () I am going to an Atmos 7.2.4 config. I'll post pics and impressions once I get it setup in a week or so. Having the processor that can do it and really enjoying what I hear with Dolby Surround Up-mixing (DSU), I decided to pull the trigger on an economical setup. Picked up 4 JBL 8340a's for front and back height speakers and a Behringer iNuke NU4-6000 to drive them.

The setup will be very close to the Dolby Atmos Speaker Setup Specification for 7.1.4. Now, if there was only some Atmos content worth listening to.
Nice...based on what everyone has been saying, dsu seems to be filling the lack of native atmos content gap very well. I'm going through commitment issues, with DTX X and Auro on the horizon...mostly due to placement. But I'm hearing that dts and auro might be more flexible in placement, so firing away with atmos config may not be bad at all.

And great choice with the 8340a...love those. If I didnt have all these ed6c, those would be in my house already.
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It's a matter of taste.

Speaking personally, I'm not crazy about anything that messes with the front soundstage. For Atmos, wides could be great, but not so great for DSX & similar. I prefer to fill that front gap with wider placement (even corner placement) of the LR speakers.

So I'd lean toward using the s8s for surround.
I've got all these speakers...10 ed6c and 4 s8, so want to utilize all. I'm really trying to maximize the S8 usage though. .. I was trying to figure out if the wide channel might get used more than SB.

On the other hand, might just be smoother timbre transition from front> wide> surround if all three are jayterz...hmm
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Well, in line with my usual ready, fire, aim methodology () I am going to an Atmos 7.2.4 config. I'll post pics and impressions once I get it setup in a week or so. Having the processor that can do it and really enjoying what I hear with Dolby Surround Up-mixing (DSU), I decided to pull the trigger on an economical setup. Picked up 4 JBL 8340a's for front and back height speakers and a Behringer iNuke NU4-6000 to drive them.

The setup will be very close to the Dolby Atmos Speaker Setup Specification for 7.1.4. Now, if there was only some Atmos content worth listening to.
Hmm... looks like I had the layout for 5.2.4 wrong. I had the rear surrounds to my side and the two sets of atoms Speakers in front and in back of them.

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I've got all these speakers...10 ed6c and 4 s8, so want to utilize all. I'm really trying to maximize the S8 usage though. .. I was trying to figure out if the wide channel might get used more than SB.

On the other hand, might just be smoother timbre transition from front> wide> surround if all three are jayterz...hmm
Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

I have wides, but I unplugged them, since I felt they made the front soundstage less clear.
Moving the LRs wider gave me a wider soundstage, without the downside.

With discrete wide signals from Atmos, I expect it will work better.

IMO, the best way to configure speakers is to use the same model speakers for LCRs and the same model for all the surrounds. Having the surrounds match the LCRs is less important, especially when you're using room EQ.
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Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

I have wides, but I unplugged them, since I felt they made the front soundstage less clear.
Moving the LRs wider gave me a wider soundstage, without the downside.

With discrete wide signals from Atmos, I expect it will work better.

IMO, the best way to configure speakers is to use the same model speakers for LCRs and the same model for all the surrounds. Having the surrounds match the LCRs is less important, especially when you're using room EQ.
In this situation though, both can and should do apply for me...maximizing immersion is the goal...and with 3D surround sound the next step, even more speakers will be added overhead. Now if someone says, "I can get away with a crime",...then the 'doesn't mean you should' analogy definitely applies

I used to not like Heights and Wides...now I like them a lot...it's weird. The wides fill in the gap between the Main and Surround...I unplugged it and missed it, so just kept them. I too have the Mains on the farthest sides of the room. Even though my I don't have an ATMOS avr, the atmos demo sounds really cool...the heights really gave a nice rain from above effect.

I agree about the LCR and surrounds...but the eD6c seem to match well with the S8...not as strong of course...but for those ambient surround sounds, they work well.
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In this situation though, both can and should do apply for me...maximizing immersion is the goal...and with 3D surround sound the next step, even more speakers will be added overhead. Now if someone says, "I can get away with a crime",...then the 'doesn't mean you should' analogy definitely applies

I used to not like Heights and Wides...now I like them a lot...it's weird. The wides fill in the gap between the Main and Surround...I unplugged it and missed it, so just kept them. I too have the Mains on the farthest sides of the room. Even though my I don't have an ATMOS avr, the atmos demo sounds really cool...the heights really gave a nice rain from above effect.

I agree about the LCR and surrounds...but the eD6c seem to match well with the S8...not as strong of course...but for those ambient surround sounds, they work well.
From what I have read, I don't think that DSU has the same problems screwing with fouling the front soundstage that the older upmixers had.

That said, if you like the older upmixers, never mind. It's a matter of taste, not right and wrong.
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From what I have read, I don't think that DSU has the same problems screwing with fouling the front soundstage that the older upmixers had.

That said, if you like the older upmixers, never mind. It's a matter of taste, not right and wrong.
I wish all of the 3d sound guys would just dump their codecs so I can pick up a new AVR already
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I was tempted to tell the parent to replace it...but, it is just a dust cap. But then again, that's like putting a scratch on my weekend sports car. I'll just vent in my own way by being passive aggressive to them now

Exactly.. I hope the parents
said something to their kid for that.. It's still our hard earned money no matter how we look at it.

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said something to their kid for that.. It's still our hard earned money no matter how we look at it.
Yup...Since it doesn't look fancy or familiar as say, Bose, they'd probably not believe the S8 price
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Yup...Since it doesn't look fancy or familiar as say, Bose, they'd probably not believe the S8 price
Recently, when some guests saw my 212s, the looked at me excitedly and asked, "Are you a DJ!?!?"
No, just a home theater nut.
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Recently, when some guests saw my 212s, the looked at me excitedly and asked, "Are you a DJ!?!?"
No, just a home theater nut.
Ha...the 212 do get that reaction, moreso with the fridge shifters...but now that I've got a huge AT screen covering most of it, I do miss seeing the behemoths.
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I received a pair of 212HTs yesterday. In order to do a direct comparison against my T12s I took them off the 18" stands and put the 212s on the stands while turning Ausyssey off. I listened exclusively in Stereo. I also stayed up all Damn night waiting for listening fatigue to set in before I went to bed. Needless to say I woke up at 5:30 in my chair b/c I passed out before my ears gave up.

First thing I noticed was how Unbelievable the phantom center was. I always thought Phantom centers was a 2 channel gimmick till now. I had to unplug the center so I could convince myself the T12 center was not on. F'ing Unbelievable!!!!

Is there more midbass? ......YES........ In a direct comparison with the T12, which should be identical from 400hz down, the 212 has an audible amount of more midbass. The best I can explain it is I would have to Boost the T12 along the 60hz region to get the same output. I have no idea how Jeff added the "more midbass" into the 212 but its there.

IMO The 212 and T12 have the exact same sound or sonic sig. The difference is everything the T12 does well the 212 does better. Its like a Mustang GT (T12) vs Shelby GT500 (212). One is great the other is just Better.

The sweetspot is very wide. I can stand up or sit down without loosing any sound quality and I can sit in the seat to the R or L and it sounds as good as the LP. I am going to move my SubM HPs to the inside of the L&R speaker so I can increase the distance between the L&R to 13'. This should increase the subwoofer performace too.

The above are just a few obvious first impressions I had and I'm glad to have the T12s available for a comparison. It reaffirms to me just how great the T12s are. The 212HT is a very special and exciting speaker with unmatched clarity and dynamics. I definitely am going to have to get "above reference capable" surrounds so I do not blow my current Mythos Tens. For now I will have to run a 5.1 (2 subs) system with the T12s as center and rear surrounds. I also took some pictures of the 212s next to the T12s I will post when I figure out how.
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I received a pair of 212HTs yesterday. In order to do a direct comparison against my T12s I took them off the 18" stands and put the 212s on the stands while turning Ausyssey off. I listened exclusively in Stereo. I also stayed up all Damn night waiting for listening fatigue to set in before I went to bed. Needless to say I woke up at 5:30 in my chair b/c I passed out before my ears gave up.

First thing I noticed was how Unbelievable the phantom center was. I always thought Phantom centers was a 2 channel gimmick till now. I had to unplug the center so I could convince myself the T12 center was not on. F'ing Unbelievable!!!!

Is there more midbass? ......YES........ In a direct comparison with the T12, which should be identical from 400hz down, the 212 has an audible amount of more midbass. The best I can explain it is I would have to Bump the T12 along the 60hz region to get the same output. I have no idea how Jeff added the "more midbass" into the 212 but its there.

IMO The 212 and T12 have the exact same sound or sonic sig. The difference is everything the T12 does well the 212 does better. Its like a Mustang GT (T12) vs GT 500 (212).

The sweetspot is very wide. I can stand up or sit down without loosing any sound quality and I can sit in the seat to the R or L and it sounds as good as the LP. I am going to move my SubM HPs to the inside of the L&R speaker so I can increase the distance between the LR to 13'. This should increase the subwoofer performace too.

The above are just a few obvious first impressions I had and I'm glad to have the T12s available for a comparison. It reaffirms to me just how great the T12s are. The 212HT is a very special and exciting speaker with unmatched clarity and dynamics. I definitely am going to have to get "above reference capable" surrounds so I do not blow my current Mythos Tens. For now I will have to run a 5.1 (2 subs) system with the T12s as center and rear surrounds. I also took some pictures of the 212s next to the T12s I will post when I figure out how.
Congrats! How were you powering the 212HT and what was the crossover set at?
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Chris do you have the 2105 model?
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XO = 80hz ........... D-Sonic M2 1500 (1000 wpc @ 4ohm x 3 channels)

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Yes 2015
The wooden horn looks Sweet. Reminds me of the mouth of a commercial ice dispenser at a hotel.

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XO = 80hz ........... D-Sonic M2 1500 (1000 wpc @ 4ohm x 3 channels)
I think that's my issue in regards to not having the same testimony to midbass...my lack of power for 212HT's...since I power just from my sr7008. We're going to have a DSonic 3 channel at the gtg this weekend...I can't wait to hear what I've been missing.
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I think that's my issue in regards to not having the same testimony to midbass...my lack of power for 212HT's...since I power just from my sr7008. We're going to have a DSonic 3 channel at the gtg this weekend...I can't wait to hear what I've been missing.
The 7008 should do well in 2 channel mode. The increased midbass in the 2015 version of the 212HT sounds like a small bass boost. It should be easy to do with EQ on the previous version 212HT.

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I think that's my issue in regards to not having the same testimony to midbass...my lack of power for 212HT's...since I power just from my sr7008. We're going to have a DSonic 3 channel at the gtg this weekend...I can't wait to hear what I've been missing.
It's not a lack of power, you have to EQ it in to have more mid bass. You could have 2000 watts or 100 watts and the mid bass at very loud levels would sound identical if neither is EQ'd.
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It's not a lack of power, you have to EQ it in to have more mid bass. You could have 2000 watts or 100 watts and the mid bass at very loud levels would sound identical if neither is EQ'd.
I should try that...what do you recommend to use for EQing? When Austin came around to program the minidsp he let me hold...it was great with movies...now that i think about it, I don't recall doing just 2-channel for stereo...Suppose I should get a minidsp already...
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Ha...the 212 do get that reaction, moreso with the fridge shifters...but now that I've got a huge AT screen covering most of it, I do miss seeing the behemoths.
They have the goods where it counts, though.
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Chris do you have the 2105 model?
Yes, he is way ahead of all of us. I wonder who will be building JTR's in 2105?
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The wooden horn looks Sweet. Reminds me of a commercial ice dispenser at a hotel.
Are you still sleep deprived? That is the craziest comparison I think I've ever heard.
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I should try that...what do you recommend to use for EQing? When Austin came around to program the minidsp he let me hold...it was great with movies...now that i think about it, I don't recall doing just 2-channel for stereo...Suppose I should get a minidsp already...
I love the inuke dsp the best followed by the minidsp.
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Are you still sleep deprived? That is the craziest comparison I think I've ever heard.
I should have said a refrigerator's Ice dispenser.

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I should have said a refrigerator's Ice dispenser.
Start over. The OS and/or 215 are the size of a hotel ice dispenser....we can all agree on that. The 212 is just "cool"
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I am the opposite. I love the minidsp the most followed by the inuke. They are both great though and both very easy to use.

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I am the opposite. I love the minidsp the most followed by the inuke. They are both great though and both very easy to use.

I'm the exact same, after using the miniDSP I was cursing the iNuke DSP. I hated trying to fart around trying to setup a 15hz HPF doing the whole work around. With the miniDSP you just simply set it up and away you go.
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I never have to set a HPF because I use only sealed subs, but I agree with the lack of sub 20hz eq'ing on the inuke. Still a great dsp though.
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Tape trick worked for me years ago...my daughter did the same thing to my speakers when she was little.

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