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I have what may be a stupid question

I have my Ones set up with my 8801 Marantz. I run both speaker cables and LFE cables to it using Audyssey for use with TV and my Oppo player for movies and streaming. I also play music via the Oppo to the Marantz using XLR cables that are stereo only and the Marantz just processes the signal to the Ones using the main speaker cables not LFE. My question is - by having the LFE cables plugged into the Ones, do the Ones expect a LFE signal or are the capable of the full range signal and take care of the bass themselves despite the LFE cable being plugged in.

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I'm getting ready to start my basement home theater build and after a lot of time researching I have decided to go with golden ear. My theater is going to be 12'x22'x7' and my plan was 4 super sat3 for surrounds with triton 3's and supercenter x for the front. should i upgrade to the supercenter xl or will the X be good. Thanks
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My question is - by having the LFE cables plugged into the Ones, do the Ones expect a LFE signal or are the capable of the full range signal and take care of the bass themselves despite the LFE cable being plugged in.
It's all down to what the receiver sends them. If a full-range signal is sent down the wire, that'll be what's played. If the receiver does bass management, the wire will get the upper range and the LFE will get the lower. If the receiver sends a signal down both paths (typically when bass management is set to "plus"), they'll play both. This is not recommended, as the doubling will likely make the bass unacceptably heavy.
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It's all down to what the receiver sends them. If a full-range signal is sent down the wire, that'll be what's played. If the receiver does bass management, the wire will get the upper range and the LFE will get the lower. If the receiver sends a signal down both paths (typically when bass management is set to "plus"), they'll play both. This is not recommended, as the doubling will likely make the bass unacceptably heavy.
That is what I thought - My Marantz does not use the LFE or any equalization for the music set up but I did not know if the Ones have a switch or sensing circuit that would only send a signal to the subs from the LFE circuit if a LFE cable was attached.

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I'm getting ready to start my basement home theater build and after a lot of time researching I have decided to go with golden ear. My theater is going to be 12'x22'x7' and my plan was 4 super sat3 for surrounds with triton 3's and supercenter x for the front. should i upgrade to the supercenter xl or will the X be good. Thanks
I would suggest going in to listen to them to make that determination. I had been using a subersat for center channel and when I went into the store they set up the XL and the supersat I had been using. I bought the XL

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I have what may be a stupid question

I have my Ones set up with my 8801 Marantz. I run both speaker cables and LFE cables to it using Audyssey for use with TV and my Oppo player for movies and streaming. I also play music via the Oppo to the Marantz using XLR cables that are stereo only and the Marantz just processes the signal to the Ones using the main speaker cables not LFE. My question is - by having the LFE cables plugged into the Ones, do the Ones expect a LFE signal or are the capable of the full range signal and take care of the bass themselves despite the LFE cable being plugged in.
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It's all down to what the receiver sends them. If a full-range signal is sent down the wire, that'll be what's played. If the receiver does bass management, the wire will get the upper range and the LFE will get the lower. If the receiver sends a signal down both paths (typically when bass management is set to "plus"), they'll play both. This is not recommended, as the doubling will likely make the bass unacceptably heavy.
Audiguy3,

On your Marantz AV8801 and during setup, did the receiver ping the subs on the Triton Ones as the sub speaker? If so, then correction filters are available of the LFE channel. During Audyssey setup, it should also ping the front left and right speaker (Triton Ones) and determine the F3 point (the lowest frequency) that the Ones can produce in the room. Correction filters are assigned by Audyssey up to the F3 point for each speaker, so it would be worthwhile to check this out.

If you've set the front left and right as LARGE and said 'NO' sub in your setup, then then LFE signals will be combined with front left + right under bass management of the AV8801. Provided the F3 for the front left+right is below 20Hz, then the combined left+right+LFE bass frequencies will be reproduced by the Ones with the correction of 10dB for LFE.

If you've set the front left and right as LARGE and said 'YES' to sub in your setup, you might be getting what's called 'double bass' and this may sound boomy or muddy or stress the built in subs of the One. This is because there is no bass management being employed.

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I'm getting ready to start my basement home theater build and after a lot of time researching I have decided to go with golden ear. My theater is going to be 12'x22'x7' and my plan was 4 super sat3 for surrounds with triton 3's and supercenter x for the front. should i upgrade to the supercenter xl or will the X be good. Thanks
I would get the XL, as i had SS50C and the XL gives far greater depth. I would also consider the new Triton 5. Supposedly sounds like the Triton One with less bass. Can't wait to hear them in March/April!
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Yes, before buying the Threes, wait for the Fives (or get the Sevens). Worry about a separate sub later if you feel the need for more bass. It's a matter of taste, of course, but I like the Sevens better than the Twos (and the Threes). I have separate subs.

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Yes, before buying the Threes, wait for the Fives (or get the Sevens). Worry about a separate sub later if you feel the need for more bass. It's a matter of taste, of course, but I like the Sevens better than the Twos (and the Threes). I have separate subs.
Very true, but the Ones are simply stunning. The best speakers I have ever owned.
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Very true, but the Ones are simply stunning. The best speakers I have ever owned.
True, but the Ones are not in his apparent price range. The Fives and Sevens are.
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True, but the Ones are not in his apparent price range. The Fives and Sevens are.
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The triton 1's aren't really out of my price range I just thought they would be overkill for the size of my room. If I'm wrong then I have some more thinking to do.
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Hoping to get some jealousy going here - just ordered the Ones, Fives, Supersat 60 Center, and 4 Invisa 650's for the ceiling. Will have to wait on the Fives, of course. Otherwise going with Integra 60.6 and Sony XBR.
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I'm getting ready to start my basement home theater build and after a lot of time researching I have decided to go with golden ear. My theater is going to be 12'x22'x7' and my plan was 4 super sat3 for surrounds with triton 3's and supercenter x for the front. should i upgrade to the supercenter xl or will the X be good. Thanks
If the Triton Ones aren't out of your budget range, then by all means listen to them. I heard a 1947 Andre Segovia recording on them the other day at my dealer's house, along with a few other short pieces, and they sounded spectacular. I'd also consider four Triton Fives and one of GE's new $2,000 SuperSubs. With a space as big as yours, you might want to consider a Dolby Atmos/DTS-X receiver (depends on when you want to finish the room) and a 5.1.4 setup (4 Invisa speakers in the ceiling).

-------xx-x--------
---x------------x--
------x------x-----
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That's what I'm aiming for in the next few months.

The xx is the sub. The four x's in the middle are the Invisa ceiling speakers. Triton Fives flank all this. All very rough, of course, but the costs would be:

SuperSub: $2,000
4x Triton Fives: $4,000
Four Invisa 650s: $1,200
SuperCenter XL: $800

That's $8,000 worth of speaker bliss.

You could trim that figure by going with Triton Sevens, Invisa 525s, a Forcefield 5 sub and a SuperCenter X (or any combination). That leaves money on the table for a kick-a$$ AVR. And it would include a hemispherical surround system, not just a flat one.

There will be lots of receivers to choose from in the next few months, but Mark Henninger (our AVS reviewer) heard a similar GE setup at CES and thought it sounded great. He convinced Sandy Gross to let him use the system in his studio for the next year.

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Hoping to get some jealousy going here - just ordered the Ones, Fives, Supersat 60 Center, and 4 Invisa 650's for the ceiling. Will have to wait on the Fives, of course. Otherwise going with Integra 60.6 and Sony XBR.
Congrats.You will have a superb system. Stevetin99 got u beat though. How come a 60 c, why not an SSXL?
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Congrats.You will have a superb system. Stevetin99 got u beat though. How come a 60 c, why not an SSXL?
I was gonna ask the same question, that 60 should not be matched with the Ones. Are you using the fives for rears?

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Hoping to get some jealousy going here - just ordered the Ones, Fives, Supersat 60 Center, and 4 Invisa 650's for the ceiling. Will have to wait on the Fives, of course. Otherwise going with Integra 60.6 and Sony XBR.
No not jealous at all happy for you, I am very happy with my One's, Two's, SCXL, supertsats, and FF5

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I was gonna ask the same question, that 60 should not be matched with the Ones. Are you using the fives for rears?
Gonna respectfully disagree. My one-sixty-one center spread sounds fine to me.
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Gonna respectfully disagree. My one-sixty-one center spread sounds fine to me.
Have you heard the SSXL?
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I was gonna ask the same question, that 60 should not be matched with the Ones. Are you using the fives for rears?
I agree, which is why i asked the question? At minimum a SCXL with the ones. Ideally a one as a center would be pinnacle!
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Gonna respectfully disagree. My one-sixty-one center spread sounds fine to me.
I guess it can just depend on the room size and what you prefer.
When I had my Two's at the time there was only the SuperSat 50, and I always felt it was never enough especially when I was listening to a big action movie the voices coming out of the 50 would be drowned out by the Two's.
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I'm getting ready to start my basement home theater build and after a lot of time researching I have decided to go with golden ear. My theater is going to be 12'x22'x7' and my plan was 4 super sat3 for surrounds with triton 3's and supercenter x for the front. should i upgrade to the supercenter xl or will the X be good. Thanks
If the Triton Ones aren't out of your budget range, then by all means listen to them. I heard a 1947 Andre Segovia recording on them the other day at my dealer's house, along with a few other short pieces, and they sounded spectacular. I'd also consider four Triton Fives and one of GE's new $2,000 SuperSubs. With a space as big as yours, you might want to consider a Dolby Atmos/DTS-X receiver (depends on when you want to finish the room) and a 5.1.4 setup (4 Invisa speakers in the ceiling).

-------xx-x--------
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That's what I'm aiming for in the next few months.

The xx is the sub. The four x's in the middle are the Invisa ceiling speakers. Triton Fives flank all this. All very rough, of course, but the costs would be:

SuperSub: $2,000
4x Triton Fives: $4,000
Four Invisa 650s: $1,200
SuperCenter XL: $800

That's $8,000 worth of speaker bliss.

You could trim that figure by going with Triton Sevens, Invisa 525s, a Forcefield 5 sub and a SuperCenter X (or any combination). That leaves money on the table for a kick-a$$ AVR. And it would include a hemispherical surround system, not just a flat one.

There will be lots of receivers to choose from in the next few months, but Mark Henninger (our AVS reviewer) heard a similar GE setup at CES and thought it sounded great. He convinced Sandy Gross to let him use the system in his studio for the next year.
I'm going to wire for atmos but a new reciever and ceiling speakers will be my last upgrade since there really isn't a whole lot of media available yet that utilizes atmos.
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I agree, which is why i asked the question? At minimum a SCXL with the ones. Ideally a one as a center would be pinnacle!
The Sat is an aesthetic choice based on locating my TV over a fireplace. It is the 60, hopefully enough - the Sat was used in some of the setups done by GoldenEar for demonstrations, so I'm not too worried.
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I guess it can just depend on the room size and what you prefer.
When I had me Two's at the time there was only the SuperSat 50, and I always felt it was never enough especially when I was listening to a big action movie the voices coming out of the 50 would be drowned out by the Two's.
Just my experience.
Same here, the scxl is a far better speaker to my ears.
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Shipping Date for the T5s

Stopped by my local dealer to find out when they expected to have the new T5s on hand and sadly they told me Sept/Oct. They had just checked for another customer. I thought the date reported at CES was March. Did I get that wrong?

Not that I'll be suffering between now and whenever, I'm thrilled with my T7s. But...
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Stopped by my local dealer to find out when they expected to have the new T5s on hand and sadly they told me Sept/Oct. They had just checked for another customer. I thought the date reported at CES was March. Did I get that wrong?

Not that I'll be suffering between now and whenever, I'm thrilled with my T7s. But...
Thank goodness. There are just too many temptations in my life now anyway.

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Stopped by my local dealer to find out when they expected to have the new T5s on hand and sadly they told me Sept/Oct. They had just checked for another customer. I thought the date reported at CES was March. Did I get that wrong?

Not that I'll be suffering between now and whenever, I'm thrilled with my T7s. But...
I was told first batch April and my order was in on time. I would hate to have to wait until Sept/Oct - even though the 5's will "only" be my rears, I don't have anything in place now.
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I have my Ones set up with my 8801 Marantz. I run both speaker cables and LFE cables to it using Audyssey for use with TV and my Oppo player for movies and streaming. I also play music via the Oppo to the Marantz using XLR cables that are stereo only and the Marantz just processes the signal to the Ones using the main speaker cables not LFE. My question is - by having the LFE cables plugged into the Ones, do the Ones expect a LFE signal or are the capable of the full range signal and take care of the bass themselves despite the LFE cable being plugged in.
Hi, Even though the LFE cable is plugged in, as long as you have the processor set to Large Left and Right and Sub Yes, the Ones will play the proper bass information on two channel music. But do not use the Super Bass, Double Bass or Bass Plus Settings, or you will be getting too much bass, as it will send the full bass info to the left and right speakers as well as to the LFE, and it will double up. All the Best, Sandy
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Triton Five Arrival in Stores

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I was told first batch April and my order was in on time. I would hate to have to wait until Sept/Oct - even though the 5's will "only" be my rears, I don't have anything in place now.
We expect the Triton Fives to be in the stores in April, as long as they order them, of course. Who is your dealer? Thanks, Sandy
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Bass Management

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It's all down to what the receiver sends them. If a full-range signal is sent down the wire, that'll be what's played. If the receiver does bass management, the wire will get the upper range and the LFE will get the lower. If the receiver sends a signal down both paths (typically when bass management is set to "plus"), they'll play both. This is not recommended, as the doubling will likely make the bass unacceptably heavy.
Hi, With Triton One and Two (and usually Three), left and right channels should always be set to Large, with full range signal going to them. You should not use bass management to roll them off on the low end, with bass frequencies sent to the LFE channel. This would eliminate the advantages of stereo bass, as well as insert an additional unneeded crossover point. LFE channel should should be used for LFE signal only, unless you are trying to eliminate some of the bass from the main speakers and send it to a separate subwoofer. Thanks, Sandy
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