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Hello,

I'm currently an owner of a pair of Sierra Towers with RAAL. I'm interested in listening to the Phil 3 (in fact I want to order a pair)

Anyone in Southern California that owns a pair of Phil 3 that is willing to demo?

Last question, what are the leads times for ordering the Phil 3?
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Hello,

I'm currently an owner of a pair of Sierra Towers with RAAL. I'm interested in listening to the Phil 3 (in fact I want to order a pair)

Anyone in Southern California that owns a pair of Phil 3 that is willing to demo?

Last question, what are the leads times for ordering the Phil 3?
Hi The lead time would be at least 5 months.
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Hi The lead time would be at least 5 months.
I waited that long, but worth it...

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@Dennis Murphy , How would the Phil 3 pair up with Class D Dsonic M3A-800s?

https://www.d-sonic.com/products/m3a...amplifier.html


I'm not sure if these speakers prefer Class A/B over Class D
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[QUOTE=point1;57325362] @Dennis Murphy , How would the Phil 3 pair up with Class D Dsonic M3A-800s?

https://www.d-sonic.com/products/m3a...amplifier.html


I'm not sure if these speakers prefer Class A/B over Class D[/QUOTE

I'm not exactly an amplifier guru, but it seems to have plenty of power for the 3's.
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@Dennis Murphy , How would the Phil 3 pair up with Class D Dsonic M3A-800s?

https://www.d-sonic.com/products/m3a...amplifier.html


I'm not sure if these speakers prefer Class A/B over Class D
Speakers don't have a preference.
Only owners do

 
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Yes. my impression is good, well functioning Amp should simple reproduce the recording(s) at various levels of loudness...

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I waited that long, but worth it...

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Santa brought me a Marantz SR5013 receiver and I am rediscovering my Philharmonic Audio Affordable Accuracy Monitors. Never thought a receiver could have such an impact. Thanks again Dennis for such awesome speakers!

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@Dennis Murphy , How would the Phil 3 pair up with Class D Dsonic M3A-800s?

https://www.d-sonic.com/products/m3a...amplifier.html


I'm not sure if these speakers prefer Class A/B over Class D
Heard it with Revel Ultima2 Studios. Very nice!

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If anyone in the Denver area is interested in a lightly used pair of BMRs, let me know. Curved cherry cabinets, with some minor dings on the bottom from stands but otherwise pristine.

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I'm currently doing a head-to-head comparison of the Ascend Sierra RAAL tower and the BMR. Obviously this is in some ways not a fair comparison, in part because the tower costs nearly twice as much as the BMR. But so far, to my ears, I'm having a tough time really nailing down any difference between them that I can't honestly attribute to my preconceptions going in. I've debated starting a thread with more details about my thoughts on the comparison, but I wanted to mention it here if for no other reason than as yet another testimonial to the greatness of the BMR. It really is shockingly good, particularly for the price, and it's making me rethink selling my pair. Please don't take this as some kind of knock on the Ascends...I'm not saying I have a definitive choice of which is better to me. All I'm saying is that the BMRs make it a very close call, and it might take better ears than mine to really pick out any significant differences between the two.


This makes me wish I could do some sort of double-blind testing, because as things currently stand I can't rule out my own inherent biases and preconceptions as factors in my preferences.
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If anyone in the Denver area is interested in a lightly used pair of BMRs, let me know. Curved cherry cabinets, with some minor dings on the bottom from stands but otherwise pristine.
Not sure I could buy at this time but certainly interested in listening and am in the area. You already said you are having second thoughts on selling already....they must be nice.
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I own both... where are you located? I'm in Austin.

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Hi, I have followed Dennis Murphy and his company Philaharmonic Audio for a while. I would like to listen to his BMR, for I think they fit my small family room. I happen to see ur message that u have his flagship Phil3. How do u compare them to other "brand name" speakers like B&W, Monitor Audio ...
From ur name, I guess u live at Cayoncreek 620. I live in Davis Springs, closed to AveryRanch.
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Hi, I have followed Dennis Murphy and his company Philaharmonic Audio for a while. I would like to listen to his BMR, for I think they fit my small family room. I happen to see ur message that u have his flagship Phil3. How do u compare them to other "brand name" speakers like B&W, Monitor Audio ...

From ur name, I guess u live at Cayoncreek 620. I live in Davis Springs, closed to AveryRanch.
Hi, actually moved to 360/2222 have lx521 and phil3

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Hi, actually moved to 360/2222 have lx521 and phil3

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Happy to have you listen.
Haven't compared to listed speakers. LX521 are more dynamic, but phil3 are better for acoustic and vocals.

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Happy to have you listen.
Haven't compared to listed speakers. LX521 are more dynamic, but phil3 are better for acoustic and vocals.

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Move to Westlake closed to 360 bridge, good for u. Would u pm me ur experience why u got the Phil 3? Any suggestions for 1.5 to 2.2k speakers?
My candidates r
Kef LS50
Monitor Audio 3000
B&W
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Dennis BMR
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Move to Westlake closed to 360 bridge, good for u. Would u pm me ur experience why u got the Phil 3? Any suggestions for 1.5 to 2.2k speakers?
My candidates r
Kef LS50
Monitor Audio 3000
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Hmmm, did you think I was bragging? Not WL, still in Austin. Down-sized and moved closer to work as kids were out of school?

So, I have heard two out the three.
The LS-50W and the BMR.

The 50W image very well (disappear). Very clear mid-range. Decent bass for size. Upper (that I can still hear) OK. Work great in my brother's condo with a high tech look.
The BMR image well, have a very clear mid-range and very good bass (albeit a larger stand mount).
So, between these two depends on your music tastes, usage with sub, etc...)
I have also heard the Sierra-2. OK, but can do better.
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I meant it, for I have friends who moved to WL or Westwood when kids get to highschool. It is good to hear that your kids were out of school. Mine still have years to go.
Greatly appreciate your comments on the speakers.
I started to come back audio hobby, for I recently got an Oppo 205, the last batch of production. I got the NuForce STA200 based on TAS review and it is on sale for $500. Now I am in the search for the speakers. I listen to all types of music, from classical to new age (Enya), ballads from Scorpion, Metallica, rock from Eagles, but mainly vocal and instrumental (piano, violine, and guitar).
Do u think Phil 3 is an end game speakers? I may stretch my budget to get those. What i am afraid is my family room is too small for Phil 3 and the roomvcan not be acoustically treated, for it is open to the kitchen. My current speakers, infinity primus 363 are 9.5 feet apart, and the distance from listening to the center of the speakers is 9.5 feet.

For current budget and room limitation, I think
-LS50 for 1k, raved by most audiophile magazines, good resale value. Class A Stereophile.
BMR from Dennis seems best performance/ price ($1350). Don't know resale value. Flat frequency response ,accurate. However, some people say accurate may not be exciting. From Stereophile measurement of Primus 360, it is very flag, but they are not quite audiophile speakers, are they?
-Monitor Audio Silver 300 ($2000) recommended by many audiophile magazine, Stereophile Class B. Good resale value.
-JBL Studio 580, wait for JBL sale to get cheap for $500. And look for a n end game speakers later.

For the high, do the BMR with Raal Ribbon sound better than LS50. Is the Raal Ribbon too analytic?
Do u know anyone in Austin or Houston has an BMW so I can listen to them.

Thanks.
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I meant it, for I have friends who moved to WL or Westwood when kids get to highschool. It is good to hear that your kids were out of school. Mine still have years to go.
Greatly appreciate your comments on the speakers.
I started to come back audio hobby, for I recently got an Oppo 205, the last batch of production. I got the NuForce STA200 based on TAS review and it is on sale for $500. Now I am in the search for the speakers. I listen to all types of music, from classical to new age (Enya), ballads from Scorpion, Metallica, rock from Eagles, but mainly vocal and instrumental (piano, violine, and guitar).
Do u think Phil 3 is an end game speakers? I may stretch my budget to get those. What i am afraid is my family room is too small for Phil 3 and the roomvcan not be acoustically treated, for it is open to the kitchen. My current speakers, infinity primus 363 are 9.5 feet apart, and the distance from listening to the center of the speakers is 9.5 feet.
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For current budget and room limitation, I think
-LS50 ($1000), raved by most audiophile magazines, good resale value. Class A Stereophile.
-BMR from Dennis seems best performance/ price ($1350). Don't know resale value. Flat frequency response, accurate. However, some people say accurate may not be exciting. From Stereophile measurement of Primus 360 frequency response, it is very flag, but they are not quite audiophile speakers, are they?
-Monitor Audio Silver 300 ($2000) recommended by many audiophile magazine, Stereophile Class B. Good resale value.
-JBL Studio 580, wait for JBL sale to get cheap for $500. And look for an end game speakers later.

For the high, do the BMR with Raal Ribbon sound better than LS50. Is the Raal Ribbon too analytic?
Do u know anyone in Austin or Houston has an BMW so I can listen to them.

Thanks.
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From Stereophile measurement of Primus 360, it is very flag, but they are not quite audiophile speakers, are they?
The Infinity Primus P362 is where I started my journey. They were great for the price. However, the BMR is in a completely different league. The Primus have a trebly sound, whereas the BMRs are going to be a lot more neutral and more clear, with much better bass as well.
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Is the Raal Ribbon too analytic?
From past discussion here, most people say no.

This may be of some help. I asked a similar question last summer with a budget of $2k. Guess what everyone recommended? https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-sp...l-r-up-2k.html

So here I am, waiting for the budget to work out before I can pull the trigger.

I realize these aren't "end game" speakers for some - as you know, Dennis does make a much larger product as well.
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Do u think Phil 3 is an end game speakers?
I own 7 speakers from Dennis Murphy, including two Phil 3's, and yes, for me, the Phil 3 is the "last" Left Right Main speakers I will buy, or as you said, "end game speakers"!

I cannot compare them to B&W, KEF, or other state of the art speakers, as I have never owned them. Of course I have heard them in stores, over the years, but for a speaker in this category, the only way to really compare them, is to hook them up, in the same environment, to the same hardware.

I do think that the Phil 3's do compare those other "state of the art" speakers, but at a much affordable price.

It sounds funny to say this, but the Phil 3's are a real "value" in a "state of the art" speaker.

I did not say this first, someone else did, and I am paraphrasing, and the original quote is better, but I don't have time to look for it right now, but here it goes:

"Read all the different AV/Home Theater / Speaker forums about comments from Phil 3' owners. Have you ever read about any Phil 3 owner, complain, or dislike their speakers, or wish they bought something else?"

I would bet that most Phil 3 owners had previous "high end", or "high performing" speakers, so I would think that most owners already had a good "audiophile ear", and overall, they are very happy owners.

I know that it is a difficult decision buying a custom made speaker like the Phil 3's. All I can say is that I am very happy with mine, and they will last me for the rest of my life.
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I don't own the Phil 3s, but own the Phil-BMR and that is an end all speaker for me for my music 2.0 system. Excellent clarity and really good bass, great soundstage and imaging and great value speaker (you can look up the cost of the drivers and cabinets and not including electronic and Dennis's time for assembly and making crossovers, etc, half the price of the speaker is in parts).
Now, I have other speakers in the house that aren't going to be around forever...
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I don't own the Phil 3s, but own the Phil-BMR and that is an end all speaker for me for my music 2.0 system. Excellent clarity and really good bass, great soundstage and imaging and great value speaker (you can look up the cost of the drivers and cabinets and not including electronic and Dennis's time for assembly and making crossovers, etc, half the price of the speaker is in parts).
Now, I have other speakers in the house that aren't going to be around forever...
I've the BMRs. Regarding the question around the RAAL being "too analytic", I'm not sure what you mean by "analytic", but I will see these are extremely "pleasing" speakers. I've had mine since August and still love coming home after work and just listening to music through them. I won't say they're an "end game" speaker for me since one never knows what comes down the pike and if some more money were to get dropped on me I'd probably move up to the Phil 3s.
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I've the BMRs. Regarding the question around the RAAL being "too analytic", I'm not sure what you mean by "analytic", but I will see these are extremely "pleasing" speakers. I've had mine since August and still love coming home after work and just listening to music through them. I won't say they're an "end game" speaker for me since one never knows what comes down the pike and if some more money were to get dropped on me I'd probably move up to the Phil 3s.
I guess if analytic means very detail and revealing, and could make poor recording sound poor, then sure...but any really good speaker will make poor recordings sound poor. I choice to ignore poor recordings.

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Has anyone heard the KEF R3?

https://www.kefdirect.com/speakers/h...s-2018/r3.html

They don't compete on price, but they (sort of) do on specs. 3-way stand mount. I'd guess the midrange dispersion won't be as wide as the BMR, possibly hurting off-axis response, but otherwise they look good and imaging could be better with the Uni-Q driver. I'm not sure if they are worth the $600 premium but they seem like a good speaker. Similar profile, gloss black box (other options are available).

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Has anyone heard the KEF R3?

https://www.kefdirect.com/speakers/h...s-2018/r3.html

They don't compete on price, but they (sort of) do on specs. 3-way stand mount. I'd guess the midrange dispersion won't be as wide as the BMR, possibly hurting off-axis response, but otherwise they look good and imaging could be better with the Uni-Q driver. I'm not sure if they are worth the $600 premium but they seem like a good speaker. Similar profile, gloss black box (other options are available).
I'm not sure they do spec as good as the BMR. They're 6 db down at 38hz and 3 db down at 52 hz. The BMRs are + / - 2 db at 34 hz. So even with in room response helping out the KEFs, the BMRs in the same room should have lower extension. The only thing I can see is that the KEF may image better with the UniQ. I would think definitely NOT worth the extra $600.

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The Infinity Primus P362 is where I started my journey. They were great for the price. However, the BMR is in a completely different league. The Primus have a trebly sound, whereas the BMRs are going to be a lot more neutral and more clear, with much better bass as well.

From past discussion here, most people say no.

This may be of some help. I asked a similar question last summer with a budget of $2k. Guess what everyone recommended? https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-sp...l-r-up-2k.html

So here I am, waiting for the budget to work out before I can pull the trigger.

I realize these aren't "end game" speakers for some - as you know, Dennis does make a much larger product as well.
Thank for ur reply. I think I am in the same speakers search as u.
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The RAAL tweeter is just in a league by itself, especially when compared to the good, but not outstanding folded ribbon tweeters that are available one many budget speakers (HTD, Emotiva, etc). Dennis can explain what sets a "real" ribbon tweeter apart from some of the other versions...

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@Dennis Murphy,, are the tweeters in for the aa+'s ?.. i'm getting a jones going lately...

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