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Good News....I guess....for all who own BMRs, Phil3s, Sierra2s and various Salks.....the price for all of the wood finished Salks (not the standard black or white painted) just went up $3-400...making all of our products worth more.


https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=163279.0


And....for anyone kicking themselves for not getting in b4 the increase....I see these beauties listed on AC....


https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=162335.0

Would that do much for the value of BMRs in the non-Salk cabinets, though?

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Would that do much for the value of BMRs in the non-Salk cabinets, though?
Generally speaking...it seems that speaker popularity ebbs and flows...but maybe less with Salk, Philharmonic and Ascend...so, my sense is that any price increase affecting RAAL based speakers probably helps put a floor on the rate of depreciation.


In reality, there are fewer alternatives...and the price of some of the alternatives has gone up! ....at least for now, the BMR is no more...and maybe the Phil 3 is no more. That leaves the the Sierra 2 at $1450 ...the Sierra Tower at $2800...anything from Salk with the lowest price being $2k for supercharged song surrounds or $2895 for black/white Songtower RTs...and possibly whatever Selah decides to offer with a RAAL.


As buyers, we don't like seeing the price go up....but most buyers don't keep their systems forever...and maybe even worse than the price going up is seeing your loudspeakers depreciate 60-70%.
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yes, I guess I have never looked at my speakers as an "investment"...but anything holding its value is a good thing.
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Hopefully, at some point Dennis will log in and let us know what he is planning for the Phil-BMR.
1. he says he still has 12-14 phil_BMRs, unassembled (From Audioholics "I have 12 - 15 pairs of blackcabinets with crossovers left, but I can't manage assembley." )
2. Would like to see a DIY kit sold by someone.

Depending on the price, I wouldn't mind picking up another Phil-BMR pair, but then I am reminded I got mine (b stock) for 1000/pr- the prototype that Dennis built and had sent to someone for testing!
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Hopefully, at some point Dennis will log in and let us know what he is planning for the Phil-BMR.
1. he says he still has 12-14 phil_BMRs, unassembled (From Audioholics "I have 12 - 15 pairs of blackcabinets with crossovers left, but I can't manage assembley." )
2. Would like to see a DIY kit sold by someone.

Depending on the price, I wouldn't mind picking up another Phil-BMR pair, but then I am reminded I got mine (b stock) for 1000/pr- the prototype that Dennis built and had sent to someone for testing!
Would love to see Dennis chiming in here and at AH, again. Regardless of his plans, I just want to know he's well, again.



I too, thought about offering to buy a pair if it would help him out! Especially if it would help him out!!! Only time will tell.
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Long term for the Phil-BMR, I would assume there would be two options...
1. Salk Audio decides it wants a lower cost speaker and picks this up as their only "under 2000/pr" speaker.
2. A DIY kit is sold, or plans for one. just not sure the RAAL will be available for purchase. Sounds like the 64-10 was a special deal started for Ascend and then offered to a few speaker makers.
3. Hopefully something similar might be offered for the excellent PHil AA2.

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Long term for the Phil-BMR, I would assume there would be two options...
1. Salk Audio decides it wants a lower cost speaker and picks this up as their only "under 2000/pr" speaker.
2. A DIY kit is sold, or plans for one. just not sure the RAAL will be available for purchase. Sounds like the 64-10 was a special deal started for Ascend and then offered to a few speaker makers.
3. Hopefully something similar might be offered for the excellent PHil AA2.
Not the only: http://www.salksound.com/model.php?model=WOW1

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Long term for the Phil-BMR, I would assume there would be two options...
1. Salk Audio decides it wants a lower cost speaker and picks this up as their only "under 2000/pr" speaker.
2. A DIY kit is sold, or plans for one. just not sure the RAAL will be available for purchase. Sounds like the 64-10 was a special deal started for Ascend and then offered to a few speaker makers.
3. Hopefully something similar might be offered for the excellent PHil AA2.
I think the DIY plans for the Phil AA is already available. Can't remember for sure which version it was for though but any of them would offer excellent bang for the buck if you are up for the work involved.

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I think the DIY plans for the Phil AA is already available. Can't remember for sure which version it was for though but any of them would offer excellent bang for the buck if you are up for the work involved.

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https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=128301.0
That link is for a Pioneer speaker modification.

The Phil AA is based on the Dayton BR-1 kit. The only thing Dennis has out for that is a crossover modification using the BR-1 kit woofer and tweeter.

http://murphyblaster.com/content.php?f=pe_br1.html

The actual Philharmonic AA is a BR-1 kit with a custom x-over and a very expensive Morel tweeter replacement.
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That link is for a Pioneer speaker modification.

The Phil AA is based on the Dayton BR-1 kit. The only thing Dennis has out for that is a crossover modification using the BR-1 kit woofer and tweeter.

http://murphyblaster.com/content.php?f=pe_br1.html

The actual Philharmonic AA is a BR-1 kit with a custom x-over and a very expensive Morel tweeter replacement.
I mentioned that I was not sure which version they were. I believe the link is for the original AA. He switched to the BR-1 kit after the price increased for the Pioneer speakers he was using. I think the BR-1 versions are considered to be better, but would still offer good bang for the buck if you are able to make the modifications.
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I mentioned that I was not sure which version they were. I believe the link is for the original AA. He switched to the BR-1 kit after the price increased for the Pioneer speakers he was using. I think the BR-1 versions are considered to be better, but would still offer good bang for the buck if you are able to make the modifications.
Oh did not know he had a pioneer AA version. Thanks.
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The difference between the first generation Phil AAs (AJ Pioneer) modification...I think Dennis called the woofer and tweeter adequate and good for the price, as mentioned about was a simple crossover redesign to give the speaker better clarity in the mid to upper midbass, where lots of vocals hang out.
The second generation was a tweeter and CO upgrade, and so much so that I think I can say with absolute certainty that the 2nd generation Phil AA had the highest quality tweeter in ANY 300/pr speaker! In fact, I think there are some $1000/pr speakers that don't have 150 plus dollars worth of tweeters in them!
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Agree that the Murphy Blaster site has info for the Dayton Tweeter version of the AA. Dennis had a b-stock pair of these Dayton-AAs that I purchased back in November. I wanted to get one more pair for using them as .4-Atmos and am considering the DIY path. The MB schematics mention shielded drivers... I need to take mine down and open them up to see whats inside. If he chooses to post the plans for the Morel variant, I would consider going that route too!
I will say, those Dayton drivers DO perform well!
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Just wanted to say that I love my second generation AA speakers.
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Just wanted to say that I love my second generation AA speakers.
When I got them in and tested them out as 'mains', my AAs sounded great! I can understand why they were the bane of Dennis' existence. Simply, the word of mouth on those was too great and people jumped at them! Frankly, I kinda wish I could put some 64-10s in them! Compared to the Mini-Phils, they sound a bit stuffy. I suspect the Morel Tweeter really helps with that. But the bass of that Dayton Woofer is so much more round than what comes from that little Zaph Audio driver. Of course the port and volume of the AA / BR1 cabinet has a lot to do with that, too, along with size and material of the driver. That said, the Mini-phil sounded amazing, except for its bass performance. I really thought the Phase Plug was going to launch and put out an eye! I would love to have the means of turning that Mini-Phil into a New Philharmonitor. Just need XO schematics, a pair of 5.5" Revelators, and his box size. (I know they were Dayton cabinets, but they have been discontinued.)
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Well, I've gotta confess my patience finally gave out on waiting to hear what was going to happen with the BMR. All indications seem to be, at this point, that Dennis is not going to be producing them again and no telling what Salk will wind up doing with the design. That said, I wound up reaching out to Rick Craig, and after going back and forth via PM, I decided a true WMTW center design that would match the BMRs would be better than even a BMR on it's side, so Rick is doing a kit for me and I'm going the (semi) DIY route. The kit is based on his Ceramica Center design with some modifications to better match the BMR. One of my daughters is actually pretty accomplished at building things and the relatively simple box for the center (we're going with a sealed design) should be a piece of cake for her. The challenge, of course, will be in finishing the cabinet which is something I will handle and have given a little thought to already. Rick's kits are pretty complete, down to an assembled crossover and cabinet design, so I'm not anticipating problems with the actual "install" of the drivers, etc.

Hopefully I'll be able to document as much of my (and my daughter's) side of the project as possible and, certainly, will provide my listening impressions.
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Well, I've gotta confess my patience finally gave out on waiting to hear what was going to happen with the BMR. All indications seem to be, at this point, that Dennis is not going to be producing them again and no telling what Salk will wind up doing with the design. That said, I wound up reaching out to Rick Craig, and after going back and forth via PM, I decided a true WMTW center design that would match the BMRs would be better than even a BMR on it's side, so Rick is doing a kit for me and I'm going the (semi) DIY route. The kit is based on his Ceramica Center design with some modifications to better match the BMR. One of my daughters is actually pretty accomplished at building things and the relatively simple box for the center (we're going with a sealed design) should be a piece of cake for her. The challenge, of course, will be in finishing the cabinet which is something I will handle and have given a little thought to already. Rick's kits are pretty complete, down to an assembled crossover and cabinet design, so I'm not anticipating problems with the actual "install" of the drivers, etc.



Hopefully I'll be able to document as much of my (and my daughter's) side of the project as possible and, certainly, will provide my listening impressions.

Excited to see how it turns out. Are you planning on making a thread?
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Excited to see how it turns out. Are you planning on making a thread?
That's just what I wrote to Rick. I probably will do a separate thread, but not sure when or how much I'll wind up posting. Rick said about 4 weeks until the kit would ship. Hopefully I can get cabinet plans in the interim and get that started while still waiting on the kit.

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The challenge, of course, will be in finishing the cabinet which is something I will handle and have given a little thought to already. Rick's kits are pretty complete, down to an assembled crossover and cabinet design, so I'm not anticipating problems with the actual "install" of the drivers, etc.
Not too difficult. If the wood is smooth enough, just go down to your local hardware store. Just ask about stains. (You can even finish it in different colors of "wood.") Put a coat or two or three on - and it will look nice.
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Not too difficult. If the wood is smooth enough, just go down to your local hardware store. Just ask about stains. (You can even finish it in different colors of "wood.") Put a coat or two or three on - and it will look nice.
Well, excellent suggestion except that I'm planning to build the cabinet out of MDG and not wood or a veneered plywood. I'm considering veneering the MDF, though I've never done it before. Still, my mains and surrounds are piano black, so I'm also thinking might try my hand at replicating that. I've read a few things on techniques to getting a good piano black finish on MDF. I'm not looking for show quality finish, but would obviously like to do a decent job. We'll see. I'm sure my daughter will chime in with an opinion as well, since she's not shy about disagreeing with me or telling me what she thinks.

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Well, excellent suggestion except that I'm planning to build the cabinet out of MDG and not wood or a veneered plywood. I'm considering veneering the MDF, though I've never done it before. Still, my mains and surrounds are piano black, so I'm also thinking might try my hand at replicating that. I've read a few things on techniques to getting a good piano black finish on MDF. I'm not looking for show quality finish, but would obviously like to do a decent job. We'll see. I'm sure my daughter will chime in with an opinion as well, since she's not shy about disagreeing with me or telling me what she thinks.
I've stumbled on a few vids searching on how to veneer... can't think of titles right now... but iron on veneer is pretty easy and straight forward it seems, if you think of going that way. Likewise, some good vids about using dyes on wood/veneers.
Piano black takes some patience, but I did find some good vids out there for that. (Its all about the sanding! and if you think you're done, get another grade finer and sand some more!)


I haven't read it yet, but Understanding Wood Finishing by Flexner came VERY highly recommended by Swerd (iirc). As soon as I get closer to project time, that'll be in my flow. For now, I'm learning what I can about Flared vs Tapered TLs.
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Well, I've gotta confess my patience finally gave out on waiting to hear what was going to happen with the BMR.
Someone on another forum contacted Salk directly about BMRs and got some info about Salk making them. I won't repeat anything further because my understanding is the info was exchanged via email, so I'm not sure if Salk wants to publicly disseminate it. It'd just be hearsay coming from me regardless. Anyway, I guess my point is that if anyone is still interested in BMRs, it looks like contacting Salk will be the way to go (for now at least...I obviously can't speak for Dennis' plans, if he has any yet, for the future).
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Someone on another forum contacted Salk directly about BMRs and got some info about Salk making them. I won't repeat anything further because my understanding is the info was exchanged via email, so I'm not sure if Salk wants to publicly disseminate it. It'd just be hearsay coming from me regardless. Anyway, I guess my point is that if anyone is still interested in BMRs, it looks like contacting Salk will be the way to go (for now at least...I obviously can't speak for Dennis' plans, if he has any yet, for the future).
I have not engaged Jim in this conversation. I know he can build both the Phil3 and the BMRs as complete speakers... and agree, if any were to ask, he probably wouldn't turn business away... and very well might agree to build them. Pricing might be another story. (Not to get back in to that can of worms)
I will say, after inspecting my BMRs, another price point issue which hadn't been discussed might be the crossovers... which I am certain Salk Sound would build themselves... the costing of which would likely be different from the 'stock' BMRs we know and love. Sharp eyes will find the clue in the review from AH.


Totally stoked for @BluesDaddy56 's pursuit with @Rick Craig and Selah! I hope you guys are willing to share some of the modification details (in broad strokes). I just want to learn. Eager to start my first sub in a few months!!! Then some Standmounts.


As an aside:

Has anybody else checked this out?
http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/Diy_Lou...r_Projects.htm
I know I've seen it mentioned, but OMFG!!! there is some [email protected]$$ stuff on this site.
http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/AT-3WC.htm
http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/Jenzen-Illuminator.htm
http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/Illuminator-5.htm


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Someone on another forum contacted Salk directly about BMRs and got some info about Salk making them. I won't repeat anything further because my understanding is the info was exchanged via email, so I'm not sure if Salk wants to publicly disseminate it. It'd just be hearsay coming from me regardless. Anyway, I guess my point is that if anyone is still interested in BMRs, it looks like contacting Salk will be the way to go (for now at least...I obviously can't speak for Dennis' plans, if he has any yet, for the future).
A few pages back Jim posted about this.

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Well, I've gotta confess my patience finally gave out on waiting to hear what was going to happen with the BMR. All indications seem to be, at this point, that Dennis is not going to be producing them again and no telling what Salk will wind up doing with the design. That said, I wound up reaching out to Rick Craig, and after going back and forth via PM, I decided a true WMTW center design that would match the BMRs would be better than even a BMR on it's side, so Rick is doing a kit for me and I'm going the (semi) DIY route. The kit is based on his Ceramica Center design with some modifications to better match the BMR. One of my daughters is actually pretty accomplished at building things and the relatively simple box for the center (we're going with a sealed design) should be a piece of cake for her. The challenge, of course, will be in finishing the cabinet which is something I will handle and have given a little thought to already. Rick's kits are pretty complete, down to an assembled crossover and cabinet design, so I'm not anticipating problems with the actual "install" of the drivers, etc.

Hopefully I'll be able to document as much of my (and my daughter's) side of the project as possible and, certainly, will provide my listening impressions.

My center speaker is one of Rick's designs. It uses a pair of 7" Seas, and one 4" Seas woofers, with a Hiquphon OW2 in a sealed cabinet, to match my Song Towers. Prepare to be amazed! This speaker is killer good, best I've ever had, and I've owned many center speakers over the past 20 years. I think you'll be very happy with the Selah speaker. Here's a pic of it:




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Well, excellent suggestion except that I'm planning to build the cabinet out of MDG and not wood or a veneered plywood. I'm considering veneering the MDF, though I've never done it before. Still, my mains and surrounds are piano black, so I'm also thinking might try my hand at replicating that. I've read a few things on techniques to getting a good piano black finish on MDF. I'm not looking for show quality finish, but would obviously like to do a decent job. We'll see. I'm sure my daughter will chime in with an opinion as well, since she's not shy about disagreeing with me or telling me what she thinks.
Actually piano black is a piece of cake. Just one secret= rubbing compound. Sand your wood(whatever it might be) very smooth. Use 2 or more coats of primer. Sand smooth again, to at least 320. Then put on several coats of solvent based glossy black. You dont have to let it dry that much between coats but after the last coat let it dry a few days. Then sand it down start with 320, just to get the obvious imperfections off. Finishing with 1500 personally i wouldnt use an electric sander. Finally use auto rubbing compound. You dont need a buffer just elbow grease. Rub and wipe until you like what you see. The rubbing compound part shouldnt take more than 30 min.
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Actually piano black is a piece of cake. Just one secret= rubbing compound. Sand your wood(whatever it might be) very smooth. Use 2 or more coats of primer. Sand smooth again, to at least 320. Then put on several coats of solvent based glossy black. You dont have to let it dry that much between coats but after the last coat let it dry a few days. Then sand it down start with 320, just to get the obvious imperfections off. Finishing with 1500 personally i wouldnt use an electric sander. Finally use auto rubbing compound. You dont need a buffer just elbow grease. Rub and wipe until you like what you see. The rubbing compound part shouldnt take more than 30 min.
Thanks. Great advice!

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Thanks. Great advice!
Ha. Found this one, at least.
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Well, I've gotta confess my patience finally gave out on waiting to hear what was going to happen with the BMR...
Same here. I've been trying for several months to save up for three BMR's to use as my front LCR, but life kept getting in the way. The BMR's were always at the upper edge of my price range, and options like Salk and Selah seem beyond it. So I settled on KEF R300's for LR and an R200C center, which I was able to get at fire sale prices because they're discontinued. I'm pretty happy with them so far. Never heard a Philharmonic speaker, so I don't know what I'm missing .

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Thanks. Great advice!
Bluesdaddy, keep us posted on your DIY journey and maybe some of us DIY wannabes will just on board and give our own projects a try!
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