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Yes Dennis, the rave reviews from Curt and Jim on the vifa tone on the finalist gave me the curiosity to try the 4 inch version NE 123. I noticed an immediate improvement over the tang band without crossover adjustment. I do have the crossover adjustment in an email from Curt but just have not taken the time to implement it.

After I made this decision to try NE123, Jim and Curt came
Out with the Statement II that sure enough utilize the NE 123 in place of the Tang Bang. The tang bangs are a synthetic cone so I’m sure you understand it’s weaknesses more than I do based on come material. Above my knowledge. But my ears are the final judge.
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By the way Dennis, the speakers are very beautiful and that piano black is a mirror. The grill is really nice. How did you do that with the magnets and the grills? Thanks
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By the way Dennis, the speakers are very beautiful and that piano black is a mirror. The grill is really nice. How did you do that with the magnets and the grills? Thanks

I had nothing to do with the cabinets or grills--they were all the work of Bennic's cabinet factory, which is no doubt subject to a 25% tariff now. They just countersunk magnets in the front baffle before applying the finish. The TB mid on the Statement is titanium, not a synthetic compound. I've had very good luck with it. I'm surprised the Vifa is an improvement. I'm not sure what would account for that. I wish I could be there for the comparo. It should be interesting. The midrange should be quite similar, with the extremely wide dispersion of the BMR mid mimicking the open-back mid of the Statement.
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Dennis, since you are a crossover wizard, How much difference would it make to remove that notch filter?
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Yes Dennis I fully support the tariffs and am willing to pay 25 percent more until China stops taking advantage of us. They only respect power and consequences and seems we can’t take any short term pain for long term gain. If it was me it would be 100 percent to get it over with sooner.

Anyway the vifa is an improvement Over the tang bangs to my ear and obviously Curt and Jim thought so when they reissued the Statement II with the tang bangs replaced. MYbe you can ask Jim or Curt.
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Dennis, since you are a crossover wizard, How much difference would it make to remove that notch filter?
The TB's metal breakup mode is very high--around 14 kHz. So it's possible that the trap wouldn't do much since the Vifa's output would already be fairly far down in the higher frequencies. There must be other mods in the new crossover because the Vifa's response in the lower highs, upper midrange isn't nearly as smooth as the TB's.

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Dennis what would be typical hearing loss for someone 50? Have to noticed any changes on what you prefer or miss now? I’m sure I can’t hear above 13-14 k anyway. And I’m
Sure hearing changes also take place even if you can still hear a tone. Your experience and background with live music helps.
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Yes I only received a recommendation to remove the notch I will double check the email tonight. I do know the full size statements vs Statement II have the crossover changes documented online at speakerdesignworks web site. Maybe you could check it out an analyze it.

There must hav even some reason in their minds on why to swap the mids for the updated design.
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Sure hearing changes also take place even if you can still hear a tone. Your experience and background with live music helps.
Well I'm way older than you and probably have a more severe hearing loss up high, but I can still hear the difference between the RAAL and a typical dome, or a competing ribbon for that matter. I suspect it's a pretty complex issue, and one for which I don't bring much to the table.
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No worries. more than most, I’m sure.
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I'll check with Mark at Meniscus to see if he has any interest in offering a BMR kit.
That'd be fantastic. I think the AA+ would be huge sellers as well.

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Sure--you're basically paying for his beautiful cabinets, and I don't know whether Mark could offer any suitable cabinets. So that may be a show stopper in any event.
On certain kits at Meniscus, cabinets are not offered (example: the Carmody Carrera kit). As long as it comes with good plans...that'd be all that's needed.
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That'd be fantastic. I think the AA+ would be huge sellers as well.

On certain kits at Meniscus, cabinets are not offered (example: the Carmody Carrera kit). As long as it comes with good plans...that'd be all that's needed.
Have you bought or heard any of the speaker kits at Meniscus? I searched and didn't find any threads, so I created one yesterday. Feel free to post any experiences there.

If Dennis' designs end up featured there, it would be good to mention in that thread - but do wait until we know for sure.

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Have you bought or heard any of the speaker kits at Meniscus? I searched and didn't find any threads, so I created one yesterday. Feel free to post any experiences there.

If Dennis' designs end up featured there, it would be good to mention in that thread - but do wait until we know for sure.
I believe they already have a couple kits of Dennis Murphy designs. Go to their kit page and search "Dennish Murphy" and it will pull them up. I'd considered the ER18MTM ribbon as a center, but wasn't convinced laying it on its side would be advisable or that the Fountek would be the right match for the RAAL in the BMR.

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I believe they already have a couple kits of Dennis Murphy designs. Go to their kit page and search "Dennish Murphy" and it will pull them up. I'd considered the ER18MTM ribbon as a center, but wasn't convinced laying it on its side would be advisable or that the Fountek would be the right match for the RAAL in the BMR.
Someone, especially Dennis, can correct me if I am wrong, but I think Dennis was selling a center with the Fountek ribbon that he said was a good match for the RAAL...in fact, here is the link. Dennis can confirm this (that it would be a good match for the RAAL in the Phil-BMR)!
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I believe they already have a couple kits of Dennis Murphy designs. Go to their kit page and search "Dennish Murphy" and it will pull them up. I'd considered the ER18MTM ribbon as a center, but wasn't convinced laying it on its side would be advisable or that the Fountek would be the right match for the RAAL in the BMR.
I have three of the RAAL 70-10D ribbon tweeters in my 2 Phil 3's and one WMTW Center Channel, and 4 custom designed Philharmonitors, with the Fountek NeoCD3.0, and they play very nicely together. Dennis assured me that they would work well together, just FYI.

FYI, I originally wanted the RAAL tweeters in the Philharmonitors, but because of an "awesome mistake" when the cabinets were built, we ended up with a Satori Woofer, and a Fountek NeoCD3.0 tweeter, and I am very happy with the end results! So happy in fact, if I ever had the chance to sell my 4, custom, Satori-Fountek Philharmonitors, I would not.
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Someone, especially Dennis, can correct me if I am wrong, but I think Dennis was selling a center with the Fountek ribbon that he said was a good match for the RAAL...in fact, here is the link. Dennis can confirm this (that it would be a good match for the RAAL in the Phil-BMR)!
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I have three of the RAAL 70-10D ribbon tweeters in my 2 Phil 3's and one WMTW Center Channel, and 4 custom designed Philharmonitors, with the Fountek NeoCD3.0, and they play very nicely together. Dennis assured me that they would work well together, just FYI.

FYI, I originally wanted the RAAL tweeters in the Philharmonitors, but because of an "awesome mistake" when the cabinets were built, we ended up with a Satori Woofer, and a Fountek NeoCD3.0 tweeter, and I am very happy with the end results! So happy in fact, if I ever had the chance to sell my 4, custom, Satori-Fountek Philharmonitors, I would not.
Thanks. A happy mistake on my part, since the design I'm ending up with will use the same RAAL tweeter and BMR mid in a three way, WMTW, design that I think, ultimately, will wind up being superior - and at a lower cost than the kit from Meniscus.

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Thanks. A happy mistake on my part, since the design I'm ending up with will use the same RAAL tweeter and BMR mid in a three way, WMTW, design that I think, ultimately, will wind up being superior - and at a lower cost than the kit from Meniscus.
Should be an incredible speaker!
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Someone, especially Dennis, can correct me if I am wrong, but I think Dennis was selling a center with the Fountek ribbon that he said was a good match for the RAAL...in fact, here is the link. Dennis can confirm this (that it would be a good match for the RAAL in the Phil-BMR)!
http://philharmonicaudio.com/PhilMTMCenter.html
The MTM is a good match for the BMR, but a single BMR on its side would work better, and it's about the same price. Of course, you would have to get that single BMR from Jim.
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I’ve gotten a couple of random, mis-directed emails from Dennis in this past weekend. Thought I’d check in to see if his email got hacked, but guessing now that it’s just confusion with trying to fill orders/answer emails while he’s sidelined.

With regard to the last post about the center BMR on its side, I recently went that route (with a pair of front BMRs). After a lot of listening and dialing in my HT settings, I believe this option has been undersold. The transparency and sound quality across those three speakers has been an impressive upgrade for me.

I didn’t read back far enough in the thread to hear what happened to Dennis, but I hope you’re doing better. Made a small donation to the gofundme page.


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Have you bought or heard any of the speaker kits at Meniscus? I searched and didn't find any threads, so I created one yesterday. Feel free to post any experiences there.

If Dennis' designs end up featured there, it would be good to mention in that thread - but do wait until we know for sure.
I've built several pairs of the Overnight Sensations, but I've been wanting to tackle a more expensive kit so I can justify the time/materials on the cabinet.

I like that Meniscus will assemble the crossover for you for a slight extra charge. Well worth it on one that's more complicated (the Over. Sen. crossover is pretty simple so I do those myself).

Where did you start the thread?
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I’ve gotten a couple of random, mis-directed emails from Dennis in this past weekend. Thought I’d check in to see if his email got hacked, but guessing now that it’s just confusion with trying to fill orders/answer emails while he’s sidelined.

With regard to the last post about the center BMR on its side, I recently went that route (with a pair of front BMRs). After a lot of listening and dialing in my HT settings, I believe this option has been undersold. The transparency and sound quality across those three speakers has been an impressive upgrade for me.

I didn’t read back far enough in the thread to hear what happened to Dennis, but I hope you’re doing better. Made a small donation to the gofundme page.


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Have you bought or heard any of the speaker kits at Meniscus? I searched and didn't find any threads, so I created one yesterday. Feel free to post any experiences there.

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I've built several pairs of the Overnight Sensations, but I've been wanting to tackle a more expensive kit so I can justify the time/materials on the cabinet.

I like that Meniscus will assemble the crossover for you for a slight extra charge. Well worth it on one that's more complicated (the Over. Sen. crossover is pretty simple so I do those myself).

Where did you start the thread?
Here: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-sp...cus-audio.html
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Dennis, again if I remember correctly, you would rotate the tweeter on a BMR used on its side, correct?

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Dennis, again if I remember correctly, you would rotate the tweeter on a BMR used on its side, correct?
Right. Otherwise the horizontal dispersion would be a nightmare. With it rotated, the on-axis response is almost identical to the vertical version, and a suckout between the tweet and mid comes and goes as you move off axis. There's no cancellation between the woofer and mid off axis because the wave lengths are too long at the crossover point. So it's a better solution than an MTM, which develops a huge suckout between the woofers around 1700 Hz, and also a suckout between the woofers and tweeter at the crossover point.
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Right. Otherwise the horizontal dispersion would be a nightmare. With it rotated, the on-axis response is almost identical to the vertical version, and a suckout between the tweet and mid comes and goes as you move off axis. There's no cancellation between the woofer and mid off axis because the wave lengths are too long at the crossover point. So it's a better solution than an MTM, which develops a huge suckout between the woofers around 1700 Hz, and also a suckout between the woofers and tweeter at the crossover point.
Hi Dennis, are you still selling the BMR 3 way monitors? please say yes!
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Hi Dennis, are you still selling the BMR 3 way monitors? please say yes!
He is not due to some health issues.

Kind Mr. Salk has offered them but his cabinets are somewhat more costly so price has gone up.

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Step 1 of my Selah Audio designed center channel speaker to match my BMRs. (Okay, just a small step.) Front baffle received.
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another vote

Just thought that I would chime in and say that I, too, would love to see Dennis' Philharmonic designs made available to the DIY community.

Don't know if that is possible for the BMR any longer, but a kit from Meniscus would be dynamite. Especially with a prefab baffle. I got to enjoy them on the roadshow and they are as advertised and then some.

Ditto the Affordable Accuracy monitors-- PE should ship Dennis' design as its standard offering for a few bucks more, but still a steal at the cost of the BR kit plus the upgrade parts. I'd pay for access to the plans, too!

The Phil 3s, that could be for the master builders .

Dennis, I can't tell you how happy I am to see you back and sharing your knowledge here and the Salk threads over at audiocircle.

For the rest of you mugs, get over to the Gofundme page and help defray some of Dennis' costs. I don't have enough posts to post links, can someone repost please?
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Is Elihawk the closest BMR owner to me? Southeast Nebraska.

When my Buchardts get here in June, I would love to compare the two.

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