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Seems like there were posts to this thread, after Bluesdaddy56's last offering...that I are now gone!
Anyway, there was a post or posts getting back to the idea of a good replacement speaker for the Phil- BMR, in terms of SQ and value. In a perfect world, the speaker would maintain the excellent features of the Phil- BMR
1. Excellent bass, so not likely a small bookshelf speaker or a super high sensitive speaker
2. Flat over the entire range, so either a well designed three way or a two way that uses drivers/crossovers capable of covering the entire FR
3. Excellent clarity, so a RAAL or a very good tweeter
4. Not ridiculously priced, in fact, a "value" speaker in its price range (lets face it, we will likely never find anything that was a good a value as the Phil-BMR!)
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Seems like there were posts to this thread, after Bluesdaddy56's last offering...that I are now gone!
That's weird. Yes, there were a good number of posts after my last one.
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Seems like there were posts to this thread, after Bluesdaddy56's last offering...that I are now gone!
That's weird. Yes, there were a good number of posts after my last one.
I think there was only one. I posited that the PMC twenty5.22 might be a worthy contender, but it is in a very different price bracket, so I second-guessed the notion.

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I think there was only one. I posited that the PMC twenty5.22 might be a worthy contender, but it is in a very different price bracket, so I second-guessed the notion.
Those were some interesting concepts... would be cool to hear them as they seem to be built in a TL form.

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Well, I guess there would be two categories...
1. As good as the Phil-BMR, price not a consideration. I would assume this would involve MANY high end speakers...for instance, I heard the RBH SV831R and they were excellent and likely, a lot better than then PHil-BMR...but ~ 5x the cost!
2. Speakers that are within let say 2500/pr, in deference to the new Salk BMR pricing or less...
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Well, I guess there would be two categories...
1. As good as the Phil-BMR, price not a consideration. I would assume this would involve MANY high end speakers...for instance, I heard the RBH SV831R and they were excellent and likely, a lot better than then PHil-BMR...but ~ 5x the cost!
2. Speakers that are within let say 2500/pr, in deference to the new Salk BMR pricing or less...
Considering my previously stated opinion that there are not any mass-market towers that compare to the BMRs in SQ and overall performance up to and even a little above the $3K/pr range, I don't see any standmounts doing that either. I would be curious to test the BMRs against the Adante and new generation Monitor Audio Gold 100 just for the experience... Still, I think they will not stand up to the challenge.
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These look interesting from a design perspective:

https://www.tektondesign.com/impact-monitor.html

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Considering my previously stated opinion that there are not any mass-market towers that compare to the BMRs in SQ and overall performance up to and even a little above the $3K/pr range, I don't see any standmounts doing that either. I would be curious to test the BMRs against the Adante and new generation Monitor Audio Gold 100 just for the experience... Still, I think they will not stand up to the challenge.
One hopes that Meniscus or DIY SG offers a BMR kit, which will obviate the need for this. If that happens, I might have to have multiple BMR systems in my house.
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One hopes that Meniscus or DIY SG offers a BMR kit, which will obviate the need for this. If that happens, I might have to have multiple BMR systems in my house.
If I had the space and the tools to make the cabinets, I'd definitely do this ($838 without cabinets/design included). Don't underestimate the Fountek tweeter.

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One hopes that Meniscus or DIY SG offers a BMR kit, which will obviate the need for this. If that happens, I might have to have multiple BMR systems in my house.
I'm sure one of the two sources will offer a kit. I'm just trying to iron out who is in the best position to offer finished cabinets for non-wood workers.
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I'm sure one of the two sources will offer a kit. I'm just trying to iron out who is in the best position to offer finished cabinets for non-wood workers.
This is exciting news.
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I'm sure one of the two sources will offer a kit. I'm just trying to iron out who is in the best position to offer finished cabinets for non-wood workers.

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I don't think either of the two sources have offered finished cabinets before. But I think a flatpack for the cabinet would go a long way towards greater sales. The cutout to flush mount the BMR driver looks like a challenging task. A flatpack or a least a pre-cut baffle would solve that.
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I don't think either of the two sources have offered finished cabinets before. But I think a flatpack for the cabinet would go a long way towards greater sales. The cutout to flush mount the BMR driver looks like a challenging task. A flatpack or a least a pre-cut baffle would solve that.
They both have actually. I think this kit really needs a prefab cabinet as it will appeal beyond your usual DIY types

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They both have actually. I think this kit really needs a prefab cabinet as it will appeal beyond your usual DIY types

Ah, I didn't know they had. A prefab cabinet would be great; gives more options to a greater audience. I have purchased from meniscus audio before and I went with the option to have the crossovers put together by them. Well worth it; I can build a rectangular box but somehow wiring and soldering small parts confuses me.
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Ah, I didn't know they had. A prefab cabinet would be great; gives more options to a greater audience. I have purchased from meniscus audio before and I went with the option to have the crossovers put together by them. Well worth it; I can build a rectangular box but somehow wiring and soldering small parts confuses me.
Right--I think that's the key. I don't want The BMR's appeal limited to avid and skilled DIY'ers.
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Right--I think that's the key. I don't want The BMR's appeal limited to avid and skilled DIY'ers.


Yep. Make it Assemble It Yourself as opposed to Do It Yourself and they will sell very well.

No DIY kit has had the commercial and media success the BMR has had. This makes it a different animal than other DIY designs and expands its appeal to a broader audience but that audience is not the power tool type
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Well, I guess there would be two categories...
1. As good as the Phil-BMR, price not a consideration. I would assume this would involve MANY high end speakers...for instance, I heard the RBH SV831R and they were excellent and likely, a lot better than then PHil-BMR...but ~ 5x the cost!
2. Speakers that are within let say 2500/pr, in deference to the new Salk BMR pricing or less...
I guess they are on the used market: https://www.ebay.com/i/123728816783?chn=ps

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I'm sure one of the two sources will offer a kit. I'm just trying to iron out who is in the best position to offer finished cabinets for non-wood workers.
Linkwitz had several options. You could, too.
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Everyone who is in the least bit interested in Philharmonic Audio, especially the Phil 3’s, should definitely check out this thread.

https://forums.audioholics.com/forum...ipping.114642/

I believe most of you follow it already, but if you don’t, hurry up and follow it!
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https://forums.audioholics.com/forum...ipping.114642/

I believe most of you follow it already, but if you don’t, hurry up and follow it!
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What are you doing posting here and not finishing setting up and posting those pics?!! C'mon, man...

Man I wish Ryan invited me over to set them up! Totally would despite it being 2:40 in the morning!

Leave it at 8 ohms and call it a day :)
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Man I wish Ryan invited me over to set them up! Totally would despite it being 2:40 in the morning!
Ack, sorry. Still, Ryan should get to work!! 😁
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I don't think either of the two sources have offered finished cabinets before. But I think a flatpack for the cabinet would go a long way towards greater sales. The cutout to flush mount the BMR driver looks like a challenging task. A flatpack or a least a pre-cut baffle would solve that.

Pre-cut baffle would be great. Flatpack would be fine too, I suppose. If we have to hold out for a finished cabinet, I'm not sure the BMR will ever get sold via a kit. If someone wants this option, Salk can provide it.


My main concern is the crossover as that can't be a simple design. I'd gladly pay to have this assembled for me, or at least for a precut PCB showing where everything needs to go.
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A PCB makes assembling crossovers unbelievably easy! I know DIYSG offers them for some of their speakers. I’ve build 1099 for my friend, and assembling crossovers was literally a 15 min job.


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Pre-cut baffle would be great. Flatpack would be fine too, I suppose. If we have to hold out for a finished cabinet, I'm not sure the BMR will ever get sold via a kit. If someone wants this option, Salk can provide it.


My main concern is the crossover as that can't be a simple design. I'd gladly pay to have this assembled for me, or at least for a precut PCB showing where everything needs to go.

I wonder if the two providers being discussed have the means (high volume orders) to have precut PCBs. That'd be great to have of course. Meniscus audio can assemble the crossovers for a fee. I went that route because my order was for a three-way crossover and the diagram looked complicated for my skills.
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Sorry if this is an insensitive question, as I do not know the full backstory, but is the BMR no longer available for purchase through Dennis’s website? I don’t see anything on the site saying that they are no longer available for purchase.

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Sorry if this is an insensitive question, as I do not know the full backstory, but is the BMR no longer available for purchase through Dennis’s website? I don’t see anything on the site saying that they are no longer available for purchase.
Dennis has just recently recovered from health issues, and has retired from running Philharmonic. BMRs are available from Jim Salk at a higher price, as Dennis wasn't making any money, and from what he's said, I'm guessing actually losing money on his speakers.


http://www.salksound.com/model.php?model=BMR+Monitors
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Dennis has just recently recovered from health issues, and has retired from running Philharmonic. BMRs are available from Jim Salk at a higher price, as Dennis wasn't making any money, and from what he's said, I'm guessing actually losing money on his speakers.


http://www.salksound.com/model.php?model=BMR+Monitors
But we are all also hoping they will soon be available through a DIY channel.
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Apparently Ryan is holding out on us here at AVS!
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Thanks Russdawg.
Not so much holding out... but severely limited bandwidth! Yesterday was an epic challenge... beyond, as one friend joked, going to work with the speakers left only partially unpacked.
For anybody interested, please come by the thread there on that other site for the show, which began here with Post 22.


What I have not added over there yet, and will do so here before I yet again have to tear myself away from what still feels like a fever dream... (I guess that's what happens when you stay up until 5:30 in the morning setting up some epic gear and listening to tunes, only to wake up 3.5 hours later...) (So glad the Lady wasn't home last night... I would never live it down!)


... @PhilharmonicDennis
Once again, I am beside myself. I know circumstances were way out of control. That you gave Jim your blessing to take this on... that he DID take this project on... That at so many points since confirming my order with you back at the end of November, this project could have simply ceased. The fact I have these here in my room, today...
Suffice it to say, I am supremely grateful to be blessed, not just once, BUT TWICE now with your gift of sound. Yes, Jim and Salk Sound deserve ample credit, but without you and your magic, the world would be a bit duller of a place: many fine speakers would not be in peoples homes, touching our ears, minds and hearts... filling our being with sound!


There are many here, now that have experienced the BMR, some the Phil 3, and I am very glad to join that club. These speakers ARE everything they are said to be, and my first impression of each holds true in such a similar way for two completely different beasts: Sound reproduction just sounds so open and easy coming from these! Where the comparatively few speakers I have listened to in the 7 mos since I started auditioning seem to be almost constrained by their boxes... both the Phil 3 and BMR are not. I know I've said it before: the sound from these is the closest I've heard to the real thing, just short of being there. Not too dissimilar from Dennis, half of my life has been as a musician.


Thank you, Dennis, for another mountain top experience!

@jsalk
I would be remiss to not honor your work in this, too! The reputation for a Salk Cabinet is clearly well earned! Everything about the build and finish is stunning. The care, attention to detail... everything right down to the packing and shipping is impeccable. My gratitude to you and your team for making this happen: Thank you! Beyond that, the circumstances that led to my becoming a Salk customer were, of course, absolutely nuts. For your role in helping me keep this alive, given everything I know about the details we have discussed over the last several months... all I can say is that you too are an audio hero! I am just as much a Salk fanboy now as I am a Dennis Murphy fan boy.


Cheers!

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