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Gyro, maybe you have posted earlier, but what is the sound comparison between those two bookshelves?
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Hi Elihawk, too early to tell as the 703's are still breaking in and improving. Four hours into break-in the mids opened up and the lows got punchier (typical Polk). Perhaps this weekend I'll have time to A/B before moving them to their final spot.
A little off topic, but in my search for surround speakers to match my Philharmonic Audio BMR (L/C/R) for a possible 2nd surround setup, I have acquired a few speakers on clearance (roughly 1/3 of their respective MSRP). One is the Polk Audio LSiM703, the other is JBL 306p MK2. I thought the 703 would sound similar to the BMR being three way - wrong. The 306P is supposed to be tuned neutral and sound closer to the BMRs being studio monitor/mixing speakers. However, integrating the 306p to the HT system could be challenging being self powered speakers.

Describing how these speakers sound compared to the BMR is highly subjective. So I would just share the measurements taken in my room. These measurements are not conclusive of how these speakers would perform in your room. To summarize the 306P sounds closer to the BMR and surprisingly dig low frequencies despite its size relative to the 703 and BMR.

I still use the BMRs in a dedicated (full range) 2 ch system. For music, the BMR sounds better than any subwoofer+bookshelf or tower setup that I've heard.

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Apply 1/6th smoothing to your full range speaker graphs so we can see what they really look like.....also adjust vertical scale to 5dB increments....thanks
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Apply 1/6th smoothing to your full range speaker graphs so we can see what they really look like.....also adjust vertical scale to 5dB increments....thanks
Done. Thanks for the suggestion.
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Done. Thanks for the suggestion.
You're welcome, much better now.......
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Describing how these speakers sound compared to the BMR is highly subjective
I wouldn’t mind hearing your highly subjective opinion on how they sound. I certainly have been interested in the polk 703s. While I’m nor surprised they do not sound at all like the BMRs, it would still be nice to hear some thoughts on how they do sound from someone who has heard them.
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A little off topic, but in my search for surround speakers to match my Philharmonic Audio BMR (L/C/R) for a possible 2nd surround setup, I have acquired a few speakers on clearance (roughly 1/3 of their respective MSRP). One is the Polk Audio LSiM703, the other is JBL 306p MK2. I thought the 703 would sound similar to the BMR being three way - wrong. The 306P is supposed to be tuned neutral and sound closer to the BMRs being studio monitor/mixing speakers. However, integrating the 306p to the HT system could be challenging being self powered speakers.

(Edit: Added revised graphs.)
Typically a range of 45-105dB gives me 5dB increments, but your monitor resolution can affect that. Since your resolution seems to be much lower, try reducing the range to something like 60-100.

From what I've researched of the Polk 703, it's going to be a less neutral speaker, mostly noticeable by its brighter, less smooth tweeter.

If your AVR has preouts, powered surrounds could be a great option. My NAD doesn't have amplification for the Atmos height channels, so either powered speakers or external stereo amps are the option. I went with the stereo amps for two reasons. 1) to have more speaker options, and 2) I didn't want to run another, more bulky cable up the wall.

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A little off topic, but in my search for surround speakers to match my Philharmonic Audio BMR (L/C/R) for a possible 2nd surround setup, I have acquired a few speakers on clearance (roughly 1/3 of their respective MSRP). One is the Polk Audio LSiM703, the other is JBL 306p MK2. I thought the 703 would sound similar to the BMR being three way - wrong. The 306P is supposed to be tuned neutral and sound closer to the BMRs being studio monitor/mixing speakers. However, integrating the 306p to the HT system could be challenging being self powered speakers.

Describing how these speakers sound compared to the BMR is highly subjective. So I would just share the measurements taken in my room. These measurements are not conclusive of how these speakers would perform in your room. To summarize the 306P sounds closer to the BMR and surprisingly dig low frequencies despite its size relative to the 703 and BMR.

I still use the BMRs in a dedicated (full range) 2 ch system. For music, the BMR sounds better than any subwoofer+bookshelf or tower setup that I've heard.

(Edit: Added revised graphs.)
I concur...for music, my Phil-BMR are better than anything plus my Outlaw LFM that I own. And that outlaw sub is outstanding for the price...

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From what I've researched of the Polk 703, it's going to be a less neutral speaker, mostly noticeable by its brighter, less smooth tweeter.

I have a pair of Polk LSiM705's that I use in the 2 channel vinyl room. I found the tweeter to be a tad bright as well, and not nearly as smooth as the OW2 tweeter in the Song Towers. They do produce prodigious bass. After using the Polks in my MLP for about 3 months I reverted back to the ST's. Not quite the bass as the 705's, but a much more even presentation of music. That, and the Polks did not timbre match with my center speaker. The fit and finish of the Polks are top notch IMO. Mine are in 'Mt Washington' cherry, and are quite stunning in looks.

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That agrees with the assessment of the 703s from Audioholics: https://www.audioholics.com/bookshel...nts-conclusion

And the anechoic measurement from Stereophile: https://www.stereophile.com/content/...r-measurements

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I wouldn’t mind hearing your highly subjective opinion on how they sound. I certainly have been interested in the polk 703s. While I’m nor surprised they do not sound at all like the BMRs, it would still be nice to hear some thoughts on how they do sound from someone who has heard them.
I'll try to keep it short.


First the good part.

1) The LSiM703 can handle power. It can play loud (95-100 dB) with no cabinet resonance or distortion at levels my main speakers can't touch without crapping out. (My main speakers are Dennis' BMR for 2ch music and B&W 705s2 for front L/R in 11.2 Atmos HT configuration).

2) It does not have impedance dips and has higher sensitivity than my main speakers. An average AVR is enough to drive the 703s.

3) It's strength is in the mid-range. It is voice-tuned similar to the BMR. The 705s2's vocals are actually more recessed compared to the 703 and BMR. The 703 is versatile and sounds fine with different genre.

4) The 703 does not cause listening fatigue even in long sessions. After break-in the clarity and resolution increased without much change to the frequency response. This is a big plus compared to the ELAC UB5 which my friend bought at around the same time. The UB5 sounded gritty brand new. After break-in, the UB5 smoothened but became brighter. 703 > UB5. I know they are in different league, just wanted to give a reference for comparison. The BMR sounds the same from the time I took them out of the box until now despite my occasional abuse. "Occasional" is subjective.


For the not so good part...

1) The LSIM703's tweeter is peaky and does not have the same resolution as my main speakers. It does not have the same sparkle and detail that I'm used to.

2) It does not dig into low frequencies despite the cabinet size. I believe it is port tuned at 80z or higher for output rather than frequency extension, hence the higher output compared to my main speakers. The 703 needs a subwoofer in a stereo setup to mimic BMR's full range sound. I had paired the LSiM703 with a sub using an external 2 way crossover and got great results with LPF/HPF set at 80Hz. (I use the internal crossover on my Parasound HINT. For integrated amps without bass management, I use a plain Rolls Stereo Two-Way Crossover, not miniDSP, Dirac or similar products. I'm a purist and I don't use room correction in 2ch systems. If I do, then my impressions of the 703 in this post are irrelevant. But I appreciate room correction in HT systems.)

3) The mid bass sounds thin. But this is more placement and position dependent. Pushing it closer to the wall improves the mid bass but also makes it dull and muddy. Using lower stands (24") to position the tweeter below ear level makes it sound more balanced. Attaching the grill reduces the grainy highs but makes the 703 more laid back, but not as laid back as the 1st gen Elac debut series.

4) The 703's imaging and soundstage does not compare with the BMR, 705s2 or even the JBL 306p MK2. The 703's soundstage does not extend beyond the speakers (just confined between the 2 speakers).


What's the LSiM703 good for (for me, in my situation) ...

I wouldn't use it in 2ch setup meant for critical music listening. The JBL 306P MK2 is even better than the 703 for that purpose. But I would use the 703 for background whole day music listening (rather than my main speakers). Having open floor layout makes this possible at my house.

I wouldn't use it for front L/R in my main HT system despite the power and loudness advantage. The 703 does not have enough sparkle which I look for in the front L/R position (that's what the 705s2 is for). It also means I would have to get the matching LSiM706c center which is inferior to my current B&W HTM71s2 in clarity and resolution, knowing the weakness of the tweeter in the LSiM lineup.



The LSiM703 plus its matching center (LSiM706c) could be a game changer for others who are looking for good HT speakers at this price range (at sale price point of both). These are great speakers when on sale. At MSRP there are lots of other options. For those looking into the Polk RTi lineup, just buy the LSiM when on sale. For a small price difference, the LSiMs are marginally better than the RTi lineup. The 703s are also better than the Elac bookshelves (UB5, Debut, Debut 2.0) in clarity and presentation. No offense to their owners. Just a reference for comparison.

The LSiM703 is not a bad speaker. My standards are just high. The 703s are good enough spare speakers for me. They replaced the Polk LSi7 (also bought on clearance ~10 yrs ago) in my bedroom.
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The LSiM703 plus its matching center (LSiM706c) could be a game changer for others who are looking for good HT speakers at this price range (at sale price point of both). These are great speakers when on sale. At MSRP there are lots of other options. For those looking into the Polk RTi lineup, just buy the LSiM when on sale. For a small price difference, the LSiMs are marginally better than the RTi lineup. The 703s are also better than the Elac bookshelves (UB5, Debut, Debut 2.0) in clarity and presentation. No offense to their owners. Just a reference for comparison.

The LSiM703 is not a bad speaker. My standards are just high. The 703s are good enough spare speakers for me. They replaced the Polk LSi7 (also bought on clearance ~10 yrs ago) in my bedroom.
Thanks for sharing! Your overall impression seems to echo much of what I have read......they are pretty damn good for their big sale prices, but not very good for their normal pricing. Thanks also for providing some more detailed impressions as well
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I had paired the LSiM703 with a sub using an external 2 way crossover and got great results with LPF/HPF set at 80Hz. (I use the internal crossover on my Parasound HINT. For integrated amps without bass management, I use a plain Rolls Stereo Two-Way Crossover, not miniDSP, Dirac or similar products.
Thank you for this - I've been looking for electronic crossover units for PC use and have been stuck looking at car audio crossovers.

I like that this uses a Linkwitz-Riley 12dB/oct slope. Better would be a unit that can switch between 12dB and 24dB.

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Thank you for this - I've been looking for electronic crossover units for PC use and have been stuck looking at car audio crossovers.



I like that this uses a Linkwitz-Riley 12dB/oct slope. The SX21 model may be even better for my uses with a 24dB/oct slope. Better would be a unit that can switch between the two, though.

Would a MiniDSP 2x4 be too much? You can do SOOOO much with one. But at $95 it’s not exactly cheap.

Leave it at 8 ohms and call it a day :)
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Would a MiniDSP 2x4 be too much? You can do SOOOO much with one. But at $95 it’s not exactly cheap.
It was my first thought. Then when I realized you need the $200 version to get an optical input, it was just too much.

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Another 3-way bookshelf/standmount find:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dali-Callis.../dp/B07C84CW32

Also, the ELAC Navis ARB-51, in which the Dali's are also featured in this video:

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It was my first thought. Then when I realized you need the $200 version to get an optical input, it was just too much.

Why do you need an optical input?

Leave it at 8 ohms and call it a day :)
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Why do you need an optical input?
Well, maybe I don't, now that I think about it. The chain looks like this:

PC/Realtek -> optical out -> Micca OriGen G2 DAC/Preamp -> 3.5mm split to XLR -> active speakers

The MiniDSP could take a 3.5mm split to RCA from the Micca OriGen preamp.

But what I was really thinking was to replace the OriGen altogether because...the MiniDSP could do that. Why have 2 devices on the desk if you only need 1. The MiniDSP could be the DAC and the preamp and any DSP/EQ I wanted to apply. The thing is though, I like having a volume knob on the desk and the ability to switch to headphones with the built-in headphone amp is pretty slick. And none of it needs software to work.

I agree though that if keeping the OriGen, $95 for the MiniDSP seems a way better deal than the same cost for a 2-way crossover box.

Sorry to take this off-topic...it's just part my journey at the moment

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I know this is a BMR thread but any news on whether the Phil3 is going to be released as a kit?


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I just want to add that Jim says the Phil3 cabinet is their most complicated build. Looking at mine, without opening the secret panel, I’d have to agree that there is much more than meets the eye...
I’ll share some updates soon with my experience!
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I don't have any plans to do that. It would be very complex and expensive.
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Just to note this is not just a BMR thread, but all things Philharmonic related.
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I'm sure one of the two sources will offer a kit. I'm just trying to iron out who is in the best position to offer finished cabinets for non-wood workers.

Uh oh -- I can see regret coming in my future for having sprung for KEF R300's. At least I didn't pay retail .

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That agrees with the assessment of the 703s from Audioholics: https://www.audioholics.com/bookshel...nts-conclusion

And the anechoic measurement from Stereophile: https://www.stereophile.com/content/...r-measurements

Just to be clear about the Polk 705's, had I never heard or owned the Salk Song Towers I would have been quite happy with them. FWIW they probably aren't going anywhere any time soon. I'm in the process of getting a 2 channel setup for vinyl (and digital) in the spare bedroom. It'll be 2 channel with an old Adcom 60wpc amp that is dead quiet, and an Emotiva PT-100, for now. And the 705's will be the center of it all. They really do sound very nice. And in that 12x15' room I won't need a sub. I've come to the conclusion that a sub is the bane of a decent 2 channel setup unless you have some elaborate room correction software. No thanks! Full range speakers, please.

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That agrees with the assessment of the 703s from Audioholics: https://www.audioholics.com/bookshel...nts-conclusion

And the anechoic measurement from Stereophile: https://www.stereophile.com/content/...r-measurements

Just to be clear about the Polk 705's, had I never heard or owned the Salk Song Towers I would have been quite happy with them. FWIW they probably aren't going anywhere any time soon. I'm in the process of getting a 2 channel setup for vinyl (and digital) in the spare bedroom. It'll be 2 channel with an old Adcom 60wpc amp that is dead quiet, and an Emotiva PT-100, for now. And the 705's will be the center of it all. They really do sound very nice. And in that 12x15' room I won't need a sub. I've come to the conclusion that a sub is the bane of a decent 2 channel setup unless you have some elaborate room correction software. No thanks! Full range speakers, please.
You at least need good placement and and the ability to measure. You do not need elaborate room correction. Of course it does help, but step one is measurement and placement.

Two subs helps greatly, in my experience. Once you achieve ruler-flat bass from 15-100Hz, you've achieved something that full range towers as your bass source can never do. Two subs makes it easier to achieve this without room correction.
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Anyone know the exact internal volume on the BMR?
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Anyone know the exact internal volume on the BMR?
.75 cubic feet.
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Was the .75 optimum for that scanspeak? or could a larger cabinet have benefits. At some point I may build a small tower in rosewood and would be curious what volume I could move up to. Obviously I wouldn’t be limited to .75
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Btw I have been very impressed with the BMRs. Very laid back yet balanced . Very transparent
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Was the .75 optimum for that scanspeak? or could a larger cabinet have benefits. At some point I may build a small tower in rosewood and would be curious what volume I could move up to. Obviously I wouldn’t be limited to .75

I believe .75 is optimal. They made a BMR tower but limited the volume to that. I don’t see any reason they would do that other than .75 being optimal so yeah.

Leave it at 8 ohms and call it a day :)
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im Just asking because .75 is not optimal for most 7” woofers. Thus I’m asking because if I build a tower and transfer the drivers and crossovers to the tower cabinets I could go well above .75. I could even do TL
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