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The other part of this conversation leaves me quizzically scratching my head... wondering what the strange beast would look like if Eric at Tekton turned the BMR drivers into one of his Bessel Arrays, each set up around their own Raal, and anchored by some appropriate mid- and bass-woofers, Double Impact style.

OK... I know... Silly AF! But I have always been curious about what his gear can do!
When has Tekton ever used a Bessel array? I see them use multiple tweeters often, but never in a Bessel array from what I can tell.
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That's what I was thinking when I read the original post. I strikes me if someone wants "more" of what the BMR offers, the Phil 3 is what to look at (which I suppose may not be possible any longer).
I have a feeling it can still be done as a "custom project"... but it would be facing a similar adjustment as the BMR did. It would be great if this were so, as the 3s are easily a top notch speaker worthy of a continued existence!


Another note I'd like to add: When I auditioned the 3s at dude's home, he told me he had BMRs previously, but moved them on to a family member because he was worried about his kids toppling a 32# speaker off a stand onto themselves. His words, paraphrased: I love the 3's, don't get me wrong, but there are some things the BMRs do better. I think I am beginning to understand what he meant, and it may very well be in relation to my post discussing the set-up issues and the nature of the BG Planar as a dipole source. The BMR driver, being a conventional monopole source... it makes sense to me that this would be the reason for what he said. I am going to play around with A/B-ing the 3s and BMRs after I get these big boys dialed in a little better.


Regardless... Miles In The Sky and In A Silent Way sounded better than ever yesterday after resetting the 3's to the new position. I know many good things are still to come!
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When has Tekton ever used a Bessel array? I see them use multiple tweeters often, but never in a Bessel array from what I can tell.
My statement was based off a conversation I was part of with some other guys, discussing the Tekton Patent. Their consensus was that it's a modified Bessel array that he's using in his set-ups, specifically the 6 tweeters implemented as a single mid-range driver, surrounding 1 tweeter in conventional usage. (Also, I've seen his designs implementing them in different patterns, but still utilizing multiple tweeters as the mid-range driver, often supported by a woofer, sometimes a mid-bass driver, and a regularly-voiced single tweeter.)


I am likely missing a lot as I have not studied line-arrays at all, which if I understand correctly, the conventional Bessel array is considered to be. I am still very novice at speaker design and have yet to do my first build. I would greatly appreciate any correction or counterpoint to this!!!

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I was happy to speak with Dennis Murphy earlier today. Among the things he told me were that he has one last pair of new Philharmonic Audio Mini Philharmonitors in glossy black sealed cabinets. He's asking $650 for them with free shipping. These are most likely the last of this model.

These are new Mini Philharmonitors in the smaller sealed cabinets:
  • Glossy Black
  • 0.25 cu ft sealed cabinets
  • 16 lbs each
  • 12" tall × 7.5" wide (front) & 4.5" wide (back) × 11" deep

For details about these speakers, see http://philharmonicaudio.com/Mini-Monitor.html

If you're interested, contact PhilharmonicDennis by Private message.

I'm going to visit and hear these speakers the day after tomorrow.
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I was happy to speak with Dennis Murphy earlier today. Among the things he told me were that he has one last pair of new Philharmonic Audio Mini Philharmonitors in glossy black sealed cabinets. He's asking $650 for them with free shipping. These are most likely the last of this model.

These are new Mini Philharmonitors in the smaller sealed cabinets:
  • Glossy Black
  • 0.25 cu ft sealed cabinets
  • 16 lbs each
  • 12" tall × 7.5" wide (front) & 4.5" wide (back) × 11" deep

For details about these speakers, see http://philharmonicaudio.com/Mini-Monitor.html

If you're interested, contact PhilharmonicDennis by Private message.

I'm going to visit and hear these speakers the day after tomorrow.
Please don't tempt me with another impulse speaker buy.

Are these coherent nearfield, or are they more like the BMR?
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Please don't tempt me with another impulse speaker buy.

Are these coherent nearfield, or are they more like the BMR?
you & me both..being it's "the final chance ".. i'm jones-ing.. these gotta be close to the reva 2's for quality/ value..

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Are these coherent nearfield, or are they more like the BMR?
FWIW:

The Mini monitor web page says they "function perfectly as a very high quality surround or desk-top monitor".

The crossover frequency is high, 3200 Hz, with a 4th order LR crossover. That's well into the high mid-range. I'd guess that most primary sounds will come from the 5" mid woofer, making coherence an easy matter for these speakers, near or far.

I'll make sure to check out their nearfield behavior on Sunday, and post an answer here.
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I'll make sure to check out their nearfield behavior on Sunday, and post an answer here.
they are gonna get sold today.. bet on it..
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More options to add to the discussion:

Wharfedale LINTON Heritage (note: these speakers are big)

Vapor Sound Sundog Black
Vapor Sound Sundog White

Also, just for fun...these absolutely gorgeous beasts show how much value Dennis was packing into the Philharmonic 3:

Vapor Sound Joule Black
Vapor Sound Joule White
Vapor Sound Perfect Storm Black
Vapor Sound Perfect Storm White
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More options to add to the discussion:

Wharfedale LINTON Heritage (note: these speakers are big)

Vapor Sound Sundog Black
Vapor Sound Sundog White

Also, just for fun...these absolutely gorgeous beasts show how much value Dennis was packing into the Philharmonic 3:

Vapor Sound Joule Black
Vapor Sound Joule White
Vapor Sound Perfect Storm Black
Vapor Sound Perfect Storm White
The Wharfedale's remind me of when I was a kid/pre-teen and the systems my dad and my friends' dads had. I love 'em for the nostalgia factor alone. The Vapor sound - well, that's a lot of money for a two way. You are so right about value and of Dennis' designs versus this. Heck, I'd put the Salk BMR up against those. Plus, "Vapor" is NOT, IMO, the best name for any technological product. Too much like "vapor ware".

Edit: Just looked at Music Direct's pricing on the Lintons. Only $1200 for a pair. I don't NEED more speakers. I can't USE any more speakers. But DANG, those are tempting.
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[QUOTE=R Swerdlow;58124588]I was happy to speak with Dennis Murphy earlier today. Among the things he told me were that he has one last pair of new Philharmonic Audio Mini Philharmonitors in glossy black sealed cabinets. He's asking $650 for them with free shipping. These are most likely the last of this model. Quote]
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The Wharfedale's remind me of when I was a kid/pre-teen and the systems my dad and my friends' dads had. I love 'em for the nostalgia factor alone. The Vapor sound - well, that's a lot of money for a two way. You are so right about value and of Dennis' designs versus this. Heck, I'd put the Salk BMR up against those. Plus, "Vapor" is NOT, IMO, the best name for any technological product. Too much like "vapor ware".
Agreed, my thoughts as well. But apparently they make seriously good speakers. Including 2-ways that are as good as or better than a lot of 3-ways out there.

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Edit: Just looked at Music Direct's pricing on the Lintons. Only $1200 for a pair. I don't NEED more speakers. I can't USE any more speakers. But DANG, those are tempting.
I know, right? They remind me of Harbeth speakers, but for a lot less.

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Agreed, my thoughts as well. But apparently they make seriously good speakers. Including 2-ways that are as good as or better than a lot of 3-ways out there.


I know, right? They remind me of Harbeth speakers, but for a lot less.
if wharfedale's history is an indication , there is a good chance the lintons will be discounted by november .. they seem to love holiday sales..
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if wharfedale's history is an indication , there is a good chance the lintons will be discounted by november .. they seem to love holiday sales..
Yes indeed. I've been waiting for the Denton 85th to drop in price to somewhere around $500-$600 much like the 80th occasionally drops to $400-500. It seems like it would be a prime contender as an AA+ substitute due to the similarities, albeit at a higher price.
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Yes indeed. I've been waiting for the Denton 85th to drop in price to somewhere around $500-$600 much like the 80th occasionally drops to $400-500. It seems like it would be a prime contender as an AA+ substitute due to the similarities, albeit at a higher price.
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was thinking the lintons might be a poor man's (me) version of the bmr....
Yeah, I think the custom stands are really nice too.
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Yeah, I think the custom stands are really nice too.
if they get down into the reva price range i may well grab them.. i really almost nabbed the mini phils that Dennis just sold .. i want to take my time and get a good deal , but i may have missed that boat , not getting the mini's.. o well there's always another deal to be had. .. i just saw an advert for the polk lsim 703 at $250 per speaker.. that could be a nice aa+ replace at that price..

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Based on the feedback here and elsewhere, I am not sure I would call the Polk 703s a Philharmonic replacement, at any price. The described character is very different. But a good budget 3-way, of course.
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Based on the feedback here and elsewhere, I am not sure I would call the Polk 703s a Philharmonic replacement, at any price. The described character is very different. But a good budget 3-way, of course.
i heard they are kinda dark, but have a bit of elevated treble(tough combo, i know).. but they do measure pretty well from what i have seen..

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I was happy to speak with Dennis Murphy earlier today. Among the things he told me were that he has one last pair of new Philharmonic Audio Mini Philharmonitors in glossy black sealed cabinets. He's asking $650 for them with free shipping. These are most likely the last of this model. Quote]
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Was it anyone on here that grabbed them?

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if they get down into the reva price range i may well grab them.. i really almost nabbed the mini phils that Dennis just sold .. i want to take my time and get a good deal , but i may have missed that boat , not getting the mini's.. o well there's always another deal to be had. .. i just saw an advert for the polk lsim 703 at $250 per speaker.. that could be a nice aa+ replace at that price..
Yeah I bet you regret not jumping!
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The number of "retail" passive 3-way monitors in the wild are few and far between. We could probably make a fairly exhaustive list:

NHT C3
Elac Uni-fi B5
Elac Adante AS-61
Kef R3
Polk LSiM 703
Wharfedale Linton
Bryston Mini A/T
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I wouldn't limit it to passive speakers, either. Yeah, active speakers require you to have preouts, but otherwise nothing stops me from buying either.

Those McIntosh and Brystons I haven't seen before. Will add them to the list.

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The other part of this conversation leaves me quizzically scratching my head... wondering what the strange beast would look like if Eric at Tekton turned the BMR drivers into one of his Bessel Arrays, each set up around their own Raal, and anchored by some appropriate mid- and bass-woofers, Double Impact style.
Like this? https://www.musicdirect.com/speakers...ant=AMCHXR100W
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The number of "retail" passive 3-way monitors in the wild are few and far between. We could probably make a fairly exhaustive list:

NHT C3
Elac Uni-fi B5
Elac Adante AS-61
Kef R3
Polk LSiM 703
Wharfedale Linton
Bryston Mini A/T
Yamaha NS-6490
Sony SS-CS5 (super tweeter)
Axiom M5HP
McIntosh XR50
that's a pretty complete list .. and at different $$ levels...who knows , i'm liking soft domes lately , bur i've thought about the c-3 a few times .. it measures pretty well.. i know 1 thing though, i'm going to try to make my next buy at a level i feel no upgrade need for a good while,, to tell the truth , at times i question the need to upgrade from the b1/ 10.1 set ups i have now.. they both do darn well in my small rooms..
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Was it anyone on here that grabbed them?



Yeah I bet you regret not jumping!
it has crossed my mind that the mini could have been my white whale...Dennis said they were off to Texas, that's all i saw...

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The other part of this conversation leaves me quizzically scratching my head... wondering what the strange beast would look like if Eric at Tekton turned the BMR drivers into one of his Bessel Arrays, each set up around their own Raal, and anchored by some appropriate mid- and bass-woofers, Double Impact style.

OK... I know... Silly AF! But I have always been curious about what his gear can do!


Regardless: Back to reality.


If the BMR and BG Planar are two of the best midranges in the stable... I have to ask:
What's Dennis' next favorite Mid Range driver? (If you care to share.)


Also, if possible Dennis, did you work with the Eton or Audio Technology Mids that are on a couple of Jim's Speakers (Song 3 Encore, BeAT/SS9.5)? What are your thoughts on those, please?
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I guess I never responded to this. To start at the end, I've designed all of Jim's speakers that use the Eton or AT mid. The Eton has a great deal of potential as a super clean driver, but the second unit I tested measured rather poorly. Eton may have QC problems. The AT is built like a tank and does nothing offensive. I would prefer greater horizontal dispersion in a midrange, but it works very well with the SB Acoustics Satori BE tweeter. I guess the Accuton is still my favorite midrange. Some people find it edgy, but all I hear is greater detail.

A very talented poster on this board has played with simulations for a multi-driver BMR that would couple high sensitivity and power handling with very controlled vertical dispersion. I'm intrigued by the design, but it may or may not get off the ground.
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The Mini's are sold and heading to Texas tomorrow. I wish I had a couple dozen more stashed away.
Another Texan beat me to the punch. Bummer.

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was thinking the lintons might be a poor man's (me) version of the bmr....
At this point I'd regularly peruse the Trading Circle at Audio Circles. Salks and Selahs seem to regularly appear and extremely good prices. Even factoring in shipping charges, I think many would be worthwhile.
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At this point I'd regularly peruse the Trading Circle at Audio Circles. Salks and Selahs seem to regularly appear and extremely good prices. Even factoring in shipping charges, I think many would be worthwhile.
Is it a good sign when people try them and then opt to replace them?
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Is it a good sign when people try them and then opt to replace them?
People move up, move to different places, have life changing events. Most every post I've seen provides a reason why selling. If not you can always ask. Honestly, I've never read a single negative about Salk, Selah, or Philharmonic products.
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