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Well, I blew that cash on the S400's + stands, so I'm out of the running
Do you have them yet? I'm dying to know how those sound. They look gorgeous, and it's awesome they provide a complete spinorama. From the spin, it looks like they have a little issue right at 2k, but otherwise they appear solid.

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Look what came today

So, I am just super-lucky. Dennis found one last pair of mini-phil cabinets (he says these are really, really the last pair, please don't ask) and he offered them to me, since I just missed out on the other last pair. They arrived today and I just got them set up and gave them a quick listen.

My first impression? Well, they sound quite a lot like my Sierra-2s, just with less bass. With a sub these would be just outstanding, particularly for the price. Now, since the ultimate plan is for the Minis to be sats in an HT setup with a sub, the lack of bass won't be an issue. These are just outstandingly neutral and balanced.

I've long been of the belief that Dennis and DaveF are of similar minds, and wow does that ever feel correct right now. I think the S2s are maybe a little bit punchier in the mids, but the overall tonal balance and great imaging make these two birds of a feather. I've not heard the Sierra Lunas, but my guess is that in a blind test they'd be really, really hard to tell apart from the Mini Phils. Of course, the Luna is about double the price, though it it is also quite a bit smaller and, well, I love the look of those bamboo cabinets. Still the cabinets on the Mini Phil are not bad at all, and I do rather like the sloped shape.
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So, I am just super-lucky. Dennis found one last pair of mini-phil cabinets (he says these are really, really the last pair, please don't ask) and he offered them to me, since I just missed out on the other last pair. They arrived today and I just got them set up and gave them a quick listen.

My first impression? Well, they sound quite a lot like my Sierra-2s, just with less bass. With a sub these would be just outstanding, particularly for the price. Now, since the ultimate plan is for the Minis to be sats in an HT setup with a sub, the lack of bass won't be an issue. These are just outstandingly neutral and balanced.

I've long been of the belief that Dennis and DaveF are of similar minds, and wow does that ever feel correct right now. I think the S2s are maybe a little bit punchier in the mids, but the overall tonal balance and great imaging make these two birds of a feather. I've not heard the Sierra Lunas, but my guess is that in a blind test they'd be really, really hard to tell apart from the Mini Phils. Of course, the Luna is about double the price, though it it is also quite a bit smaller and, well, I love the look of those bamboo cabinets. Still the cabinets on the Mini Phil are not bad at all, and I do rather like the sloped shape.
Thanks for the report. Glad to hear I won't have to send you return labels. I have compared the mini's with the Sierra 2, and the 2's definitely have more energy in the lower treble, upper midrange, due I would guess, to Dave's version of the 64-10 being able to cross lower. My preference between the two changed based on program material (ignoring the difference in bass reach). I've never heard them with subs, but they should be easy to integrate given the sealed alignment.
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Do you have them yet? I'm dying to know how those sound. They look gorgeous, and it's awesome they provide a complete spinorama. From the spin, it looks like they have a little issue right at 2k, but otherwise they appear solid.
I have looked at a lot of measurements lately, and most of them have that "issue". In fact it seems hard to find a 2-way that doesn't. I'm not sure how audible it is. I haven't seen any reviewer comment about any issues they are hearing. I also wouldn't want to bias my thinking and go "looking for it" so I'd rather not know what that would sound like. We'll see! It will be another month or so.
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I have looked at a lot of measurements lately, and most of them have that "issue". In fact it seems hard to find a 2-way that doesn't. I'm not sure how audible it is. I haven't seen any reviewer comment about any issues they are hearing. I also wouldn't want to bias my thinking and go "looking for it" so I'd rather not know what that would sound like. We'll see! It will be another month or so.


I highly doubt you'll hear an issue. I bet, very strongly, that you'll be extremely happy with them.


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Can anyone recommend a center speaker and surrounds that would pair nicely with BMR fronts? I am in the process of moving my BMR's from a dedicated 2.0 system into my family room and am looking to get a 5.1 setup. Will be running them with an Anthem MRX 710. And, to complicate things a bit, we have the TV over the fireplace and the center speaker will need to sit on the mantle, which is only 7 inches deep. Don't know if it is possible to get a decent center speaker that is that small.


I did find the Polk Audio Signature Series S35 Center and it is only 6.1 inches deep so that would work, but don't know if the Polk would be complimentary to the BMR's or if that even matters? The Polk S10's also look like they would make good rear speakers. Again, I am not sure if it matters what I pair with the BMR's for TV and movies but thought I would ask. When listening to music it will just be the BMR's and sub so I am not concerned about that.

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Thanks for the report. Glad to hear I won't have to send you return labels.
Definitely not.

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I have compared the mini's with the Sierra 2, and the 2's definitely have more energy in the lower treble, upper midrange,
I'm glad it's not just me hearing it that way.


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due I would guess, to Dave's version of the 64-10 being able to cross lower.
Yep, he's mating it with a much larger woofer, since of course the S2s are closer to full-range. Really, the S2s should be compared with the the "New Phil" not the Mini, but the S2 was the closest thing to the Mini in my experience. It's funny because I only upgraded my long-loved S1 NrTs to S2s a few weeks ago, so I went from zero RAALs to two sets in short order, so of course that was my basis for comparison.

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I've never heard them with subs, but they should be easy to integrate given the sealed alignment.
Not sure when exactly I'll get to this—at least a year, maybe more—but when I replace my main HT LCR (was hoping to do BMRs for this, but we'll see, might end up with Ascends or Salks, though the Salks might be the BMRs, etc...) the Minis will be the new surrounds. No worries whatsoever about integrating with a sub. Nor am I worried about how they'll integrate with either Ascend or Salk...

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I have looked at a lot of measurements lately, and most of them have that "issue". In fact it seems hard to find a 2-way that doesn't.
Yep. Crossovers are hard.

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Can anyone recommend a center speaker and surrounds that would pair nicely with BMR fronts? I am in the process of moving my BMR's from a dedicated 2.0 system into my family room and am looking to get a 5.1 setup. Will be running them with an Anthem MRX 710. And, to complicate things a bit, we have the TV over the fireplace and the center speaker will need to sit on the mantle, which is only 7 inches deep. Don't know if it is possible to get a decent center speaker that is that small.


I did find the Polk Audio Signature Series S35 Center and it is only 6.1 inches deep so that would work, but don't know if the Polk would be complimentary to the BMR's or if that even matters? The Polk S10's also look like they would make good rear speakers. Again, I am not sure if it matters what I pair with the BMR's for TV and movies but thought I would ask. When listening to music it will just be the BMR's and sub so I am not concerned about that.

Rick recently made a custom BMR Center over at Selah Audio for BluesDaddy. I’d pop over there and ask for the specs and if it doesn’t fit, I’m sure that he could produce another custom one to fit your needs.

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Rick recently made a custom BMR Center over at Selah Audio for BluesDaddy. I’d pop over there and ask for the specs and if it doesn’t fit, I’m sure that he could produce another custom one to fit your needs.
Thanks, will check that out. I also received an e-mail notification from someone that posted though I don't see it in the thread, they mentioned Martin Logans. I did a quick search and the Martin Logan 8i looks like it might work very nicely, dimensions are good, it is gloss black and has the ribbon type tweeter.
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Thanks, will check that out. I also received an e-mail notification from someone that posted though I don't see it in the thread, they mentioned Martin Logans. I did a quick search and the Martin Logan 8i looks like it might work very nicely, dimensions are good, it is gloss black and has the ribbon type tweeter.

Rick's BMR center is 21" x 13" x 8.5" (W x D x H). It might be a bit too deep for you. But as russdawg1 pointed out, I'm pretty certain that Rick accepts special orders.
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Can anyone recommend a center speaker and surrounds that would pair nicely with BMR fronts? I am in the process of moving my BMR's from a dedicated 2.0 system into my family room and am looking to get a 5.1 setup. Will be running them with an Anthem MRX 710. And, to complicate things a bit, we have the TV over the fireplace and the center speaker will need to sit on the mantle, which is only 7 inches deep. Don't know if it is possible to get a decent center speaker that is that small.


I did find the Polk Audio Signature Series S35 Center and it is only 6.1 inches deep so that would work, but don't know if the Polk would be complimentary to the BMR's or if that even matters? The Polk S10's also look like they would make good rear speakers. Again, I am not sure if it matters what I pair with the BMR's for TV and movies but thought I would ask. When listening to music it will just be the BMR's and sub so I am not concerned about that.
You might also check with Dave at Ascend. There is a new Luna duo coming soon and I am strongly considering it for my BMRs. Only 6 inches deep so should fit into your space nicely. From what Dave said at tha Ascend forums it packs “more midbass punch and improved dynamics compared to the Luna.” I also asked if he thought it would blend well with the BMRs and he said It would. Dimensions are in the link below:

http://forum.ascendacoustics.com/att...3&d=1549446338
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Rick recently made a custom BMR Center over at Selah Audio for BluesDaddy. I’d pop over there and ask for the specs and if it doesn’t fit, I’m sure that he could produce another custom one to fit your needs.
The one Rick did for me is 8.5" H x 21" W x 13" D.
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You might also check with Dave at Ascend. There is a new Luna duo coming soon and I am strongly considering it for my BMRs. Only 6 inches deep so should fit into your space nicely. From what Dave said at tha Ascend forums it packs “more midbass punch and improved dynamics compared to the Luna.” I also asked if he thought it would blend well with the BMRs and he said It would. Dimensions are in the link below:

http://forum.ascendacoustics.com/att...3&d=1549446338
That sounds very interesting, any idea when they are available? I clicked on the link but it said I needed to login so I didn’t see the dims.
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That sounds very interesting, any idea when they are available? I clicked on the link but it said I needed to login so I didn’t see the dims.
On June 20th he said he was hoping 4-5 weeks, so hopefully around the beginning of August. I think it was dependent on some overseas shipments and when they get in. Your best bet would be to email Ascend directly. He also said the prices would likely go up after the first batch. I should probably start seriously thinking if I’m gonna jump soon too.

Btw..... Dims are 5.75” x 16.25” x 6” (H x W x D) according to that linked doc.
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Thanks, will check that out. I also received an e-mail notification from someone that posted though I don't see it in the thread, they mentioned Martin Logans. I did a quick search and the Martin Logan 8i looks like it might work very nicely, dimensions are good, it is gloss black and has the ribbon type tweeter.
Always give Rick from Selah Audio a shot. Great guy. Seems to be willing to work with whatever a customer might need and produces great stuff. Just ask him for your specific needs and he will let you know exactly what he can do.
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On June 20th he said he was hoping 4-5 weeks, so hopefully around the beginning of August. I think it was dependent on some overseas shipments and when they get in. Your best bet would be to email Ascend directly. He also said the prices would likely go up after the first batch. I should probably start seriously thinking if I’m gonna jump soon too.

Btw..... Dims are 5.75” x 16.25” x 6” (H x W x D) according to that linked doc.
Just had my name added to the list for the Luna Duo. Think they are still about 4-6 weeks out before they will ship.
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Always give Rick from Selah Audio a shot. Great guy. Seems to be willing to work with whatever a customer might need and produces great stuff. Just ask him for your specific needs and he will let you know exactly what he can do.
I looked at his website and he has some great looking speakers, though I think they are out of my price range.
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I am surprised that @Zorba922 hasn't joined the discussion, maybe the latest member of the Phil-BMR club...

Okay, suggested center channels to match the Phil-BMR (and this list assumes you have restricts that would demand a horizontal speaker)....the AA Luna center, the Selah Audio Ceramica CC, for cheaper options, I know some have tried the Chane 2.4 (Zorba) and others the Emotiva center, with good results from the AMT ribbon.

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I am surprised that @Zorba922 hasn't joined the discussion, maybe the latest member of the Phil-BMR club...

Okay, suggested center channels to match the Phil-BMR (and this list assumes you have restricts that would demand a horizontal speaker)....the AA Luna center, the Selah Audio Ceramica CC, for cheaper options, I know some have tried the Chane 2.4 (Zorba) and others the Emotiva center, with good results from the AMT ribbon.
Yep, both the Emotiva C1 and Chane A2.4 performed well with the BMR...but I suspect any reasonably neutral and clear center channel would as well.
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Yep, both the Emotiva C1 and Chane A2.4 performed well with the BMR...but I suspect any reasonably neutral and clear center channel would as well.
Those both look like good options and much cheaper :-). Thanks!
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Yep, both the Emotiva C1 and Chane A2.4 performed well with the BMR...but I suspect any reasonably neutral and clear center channel would as well.
I just placed an order for a Chane 2.4 center, can't wait until it get here! Thanks for the reminder as I had looked at the Chane speakers and was going to buy them last year before I discovered the BMR's.
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Yep, both the Emotiva C1 and Chane A2.4 performed well with the BMR...but I suspect any reasonably neutral and clear center channel would as well.
If the C1 uses the same drivers voicing as the B1, I would make sure you have return privileges. The B1 lacks sufficient baffle step compensation and lacks the midrange clarity of the BMR's.
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Someone who was looking for a BMR alternative and can't wait to see what happens with the DIY route needs to buy these - https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=164061.0. Originally posted at $1500, the seller has dropped down to $1100 and I am SORELY tempted just to try them given Rick's reputation (and my daughter still working on the cabinet for my center). Selah Audio Fedele in gloss black cabs. Scanspeak beryllium tweeter; SB Acoustics Satori Mid; SB Acoustics Rohacell Woofer.
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A question for Dennis

Pardon my ignorance, but How much of a difference is there between a speaker enclosure made out of MDF vs one made out of plywood vs one made out of true wood (like cedar)? Is it worthy to take an MDF made enclosure and replicate it in wood, say for instance one of your AAMs?

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A question for Dennis

Pardon my ignorance, but How much of a difference is there between a speaker enclosure made out of MDF vs one made out of plywood vs one made out of true wood (like cedar)? Is it worthy to take an MDF made enclosure and replicate it in wood, say for instance one of your AAMs?
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Yep, both the Emotiva C1 and Chane A2.4 performed well with the BMR...but I suspect any reasonably neutral and clear center channel would as well.
Right now I am using my KEF q200c and it does well for movies/TV. I don't listen to as much music in 5.1 as I was because my office now has speakers. I know those are discontinued and never were cheap, but I got a pretty good deal on mine used. I'm still thinking about that Ascend Luna Duo, but not sure if I should be spending more....maybe if I sold some of all of these speakers hanging around these days.

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I just placed an order for a Chane 2.4 center, can't wait until it get here! Thanks for the reminder as I had looked at the Chane speakers and was going to buy them last year before I discovered the BMR's.
Did you change your mind on the Luna Duo?
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Did you change your mind on the Luna Duo?
Yes I did. I have no doubt the Luna Duo will be a better speaker, but it also costs 3x as much as the Chane 2.4. And I think the Chane will be more than sufficient for my needs.
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Thank you very much for the video. It more than answered the question about MDF vs Plywood, buy leaves open the one about wood.
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