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AAM Centers?

Wow, great to see the BMR's are up on Meniscus! They're a bit out of my price range at the moment, and I'm excited to hear that Dennis is in talks with Meniscus about the AAMs. Personally, I'd be interested in a parts-only AAM+ kit, but I'd be happy with anything Dennis puts together.

Dennis, I had the opportunity to make your modifications to the BS22s in the past and I love those speakers. I understand that this takes a non-trivial amount of work, so I understand if this isn't worth your time, but have you considered making plans for your AAM centers available? Presumably you swapped in a new tweeter and adjusted the crossover, similar to the BS22s?
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Wow, great to see the BMR's are up on Meniscus! They're a bit out of my price range at the moment, and I'm excited to hear that Dennis is in talks with Meniscus about the AAMs. Personally, I'd be interested in a parts-only AAM+ kit, but I'd be happy with anything Dennis puts together.

Dennis, I had the opportunity to make your modifications to the BS22s in the past and I love those speakers. I understand that this takes a non-trivial amount of work, so I understand if this isn't worth your time, but have you considered making plans for your AAM centers available? Presumably you swapped in a new tweeter and adjusted the crossover, similar to the BS22s?
Gald to hear you're still enjoying the BS22's. I have no problem posting the AA Center crossover, but the build documentation for installing it would take some time. I'm happy to do it, but it's just a matter of priorities. I still haven't decided on which AA moniotor will be offered as a kit--the regular one or the +. The problem, of course, is that the tweeters for the + would add about $100 to the cost of the kit.
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Gald to hear you're still enjoying the BS22's. I have no problem posting the AA Center crossover, but the build documentation for installing it would take some time. I'm happy to do it, but it's just a matter of priorities. I still haven't decided on which AA moniotor will be offered as a kit--the regular one or the +. The problem, of course, is that the tweeters for the + would add about $100 to the cost of the kit.
So offer both versions?!.
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If by chance anyone has a pair of the sealed, mini-philharmonitors in black, I would be interested in them.

I need some surround speakers for a pair of Salks that Jim is building for me.
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I haven't noticed potential price points for the AAM kits mentioned in this thread. My understanding is that Dennis had little to no markup when he sold them (with cabinets) at 200/290 (non-+, and + versions). Since those are the prices for finished speakers, it seems like a parts-only kit with the Morel tweeters would still be "reasonably" priced (at least, relative to my budget!). With the non-plus version, I imagine I'd be spending some time (unproductively) wondering how much of an upgraded the Morels would be, so I'd appreciate the Morel option.

Whether the plus is offered or not, I have a pile of inherited wood dying to be made into a cabinet!

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Wow, great to see the BMR's are up on Meniscus! They're a bit out of my price range at the moment, and I'm excited to hear that Dennis is in talks with Meniscus about the AAMs. Personally, I'd be interested in a parts-only AAM+ kit, but I'd be happy with anything Dennis puts together.

Dennis, I had the opportunity to make your modifications to the BS22s in the past and I love those speakers. I understand that this takes a non-trivial amount of work, so I understand if this isn't worth your time, but have you considered making plans for your AAM centers available? Presumably you swapped in a new tweeter and adjusted the crossover, similar to the BS22s?
Great to see these on Meniscus as well!!!
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Current retail component pricing for each of the AA+ monitor options is about $100 over what Dennis was charging. And that would not include the assembly. Dennis was gifting these to the recipients.

What would really be nice would be to have pcb boards for the crossovers available for each of the AA monitor options (including the original Pioneer based AA). The crossovers are a real pain in the a** to assemble from scratch, ask me how I know . I bet these could be reasonably offered for about $40 for the pair including shipping. The other components would be purchased from their respective suppliers by the builder. No "kit" needed.
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Personally im after the New AAMs without the morel tweeter. That way all my surrounds for my ATMOS system would be the same. I just cant say enough great things about the new AAMS i have.
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Current retail component pricing for each of the AA+ monitor options is about $100 over what Dennis was charging. And that would not include the assembly. Dennis was gifting these to the recipients.

What would really be nice would be to have pcb boards for the crossovers available for each of the AA monitor options (including the original Pioneer based AA). The crossovers are a real pain in the a** to assemble from scratch, ask me how I know . I bet these could be reasonably offered for about $40 for the pair including shipping. The other components would be purchased from their respective suppliers by the builder. No "kit" needed.
That's not a bad idea. But pcb's aren't in the cards. The minimum order would be too large, particularly if 3 different crossovers were involved. Meniscus is offering hard-wired crossovers for the BMR at what seems like a bargain basement price--there may be a typo on their site, but it seems like they're wiring up a pair for $40. That puppy has 17 components and is indeed a pain in the butt to build. If that figure is accurate, Meniscus could do the AA's for even less, although I don't know whether they would be willing to just offer the crossovers. I'll have to check.

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Agree, on a $1300 speaker, the $40 assembly fee is a bargain and a no brainer. Particularly if a layout diagram isn't provided. Figuring out the best way to orient components and wire them up can take me a couple of hours. But I wonder if that includes the terminal blocks so no soldering is required? And another $10 for precut hook up wires with slips-on would be helpful, would only need a screwdriver to put the thing together.

There is a vendor on eBay selling pcb boards for Paul Carmody designs (Amiga, Classix, Speedster, etc), as well as the C-Note, for $18. This includes the boards and the terminal blocks. Has already sold some 150 units. Not clear if these are "authorized," but it is a USA seller.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odk...+PCBs&_sacat=0
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A couple of questions to Dennis:
I am the proud owner of a pair of AAM's and corresponding Center Channel. My questions are: Would recreating their enclosure with real wood make them sound better? Is it worth it?

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Agree, on a $1300 speaker, the $40 assembly fee is a bargain and a no brainer. Particularly if a layout diagram isn't provided. Figuring out the best way to orient components and wire them up can take me a couple of hours. But I wonder if that includes the terminal blocks so no soldering is required? And another $10 for precut hook up wires with slips-on would be helpful, would only need a screwdriver to put the whole thing together.
The "full kit" is another $40, which includes a much of what you are looking for. Don't know if the built crossover has terminals or not, but for $975 you'd get the full kit and pre-built cover and only have to build the cabinet. The routing for the BMR mid will be tricky if done manually. I just wound up buying a baffle from Rick for my center.

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A couple of questions to Dennis:
I am the proud owner of a pair of AAM's and corresponding Center Channel. My questions are: Would recreating their enclosure with real wood make them sound better? Is it worth it?

If you mean solid wood, no. Wood is very resonant, and contracts and expands with changing humidity. The stock cabinets are solid enough, although it would be nicer if the front baffle didn't have a ridge on the sides.
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Hey Dennis.

Any update on the flat packs?
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Agree, on a $1300 speaker, the $40 assembly fee is a bargain and a no brainer. Particularly if a layout diagram isn't provided. Figuring out the best way to orient components and wire them up can take me a couple of hours. But I wonder if that includes the terminal blocks so no soldering is required? And another $10 for precut hook up wires with slips-on would be helpful, would only need a screwdriver to put the thing together.

There is a vendor on eBay selling pcb boards for Paul Carmody designs (Amiga, Classix, Speedster, etc), as well as the C-Note, for $18. This includes the boards and the terminal blocks. Has already sold some 150 units. Not clear if these are "authorized," but it is a USA seller.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odk...+PCBs&_sacat=0

I've bought several of these from that seller and they are very nicely done. Not sure if he posts here or not but I've seen him in other forums.
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Hey Dennis.

Any update on the flat packs?
Unfortunately, it appears that my builder's potential involvement in the BMR kit project is causing some, uh, domestic problems. I think the best I'm going to be able to do is routed baffles.
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OK--so how about this option. Parts Express has flat packs for a small tower speaker with an internal volume of a little over 1 cu ft, and the right width for the BMR--8". If my friend would agree to cut the baffles along with an attached small chamber for the midrange, most anyone could glue everything together. Finishing the raw mdf would be an issue, but perhaps some of you could offer approaches to that. A pair of the flat packs would cost something like $150 and you would probably need short stands to get the tweeter at the right level (or tilt them back). Here are the flat pack specs:

Denovo Audio Knock-Down MDF 1.16 cu. ft. Tower Speaker Cabinet
CNC knock-down cabinets make it easy for the beginner to end up with amazing finished results without all of the time and effort necessary to perfect your woodworking skills, perfect for DIYers without expensive tools or access to a woodshop.
Specifications: • Panel thickness: 3/4" • Panel material: Medium Density Fiberboard (MDF) • Finished cabinet volume: 1.16 cubic feet • External dimensions: 34" H x 8" W x 11" D • Internal dimensions: 32-1/2" H x 6-1/2" W x 9-1/2" D • Made in the U.S.A. • Sold individually.
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Thanks. Have you spoken to Leland at Speaker Hardware? He does packs for similarly clever kits.

The one for the Statements Monitor seems to be similar in size to the BMR, and hence adaptable.

https://www.speakerhardware.com/stat...-flat-pack.php

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OK--so how about this option. Parts Express has flat packs for a small tower speaker with an internal volume of a little over 1 cu ft, and the right width for the BMR--8". If my friend would agree to cut the baffles along with an attached small chamber for the midrange, most anyone could glue everything together. Finishing the raw mdf would be an issue, but perhaps some of you could offer approaches to that. A pair of the flat packs would cost something like $150 and you would probably need short stands to get the tweeter at the right level (or tilt them back). Here are the flat pack specs:

Denovo Audio Knock-Down MDF 1.16 cu. ft. Tower Speaker Cabinet
CNC knock-down cabinets make it easy for the beginner to end up with amazing finished results without all of the time and effort necessary to perfect your woodworking skills, perfect for DIYers without expensive tools or access to a woodshop.
Specifications: • Panel thickness: 3/4" • Panel material: Medium Density Fiberboard (MDF) • Finished cabinet volume: 1.16 cubic feet • External dimensions: 34" H x 8" W x 11" D • Internal dimensions: 32-1/2" H x 6-1/2" W x 9-1/2" D • Made in the U.S.A. • Sold individually.

Can you go straight to DIYSG and see if he'll custom make the MDF cabs for you? Those are his kits on PE, IIRC.

Yeah, I don't like MDF as well as I do baltic birch, but MDF can be painted or veneered. If not, the front baffles are indeed the most difficult part to cut. The rest of the box can easily be cut from a large sheet of MDF or baltic birch.

I don't think you're going to satisfy everyone though. DIY speakers are not exactly easy...even something like a small $100 C-Note kit from PE takes a little skill, space and know-how to get a nicely finished product.
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Thanks. Have you spoken to Leland at Speaker Hardware? He does packs for similarly clever kits.

The one for the Statements Monitor seems to be similar in size to the BMR, and hence adaptable.

https://www.speakerhardware.com/stat...-flat-pack.php
Thanks for the suggestion Steve. I'll get in touch with him and also email speaker builders listed on Bill Fitzmaurice's page. BTW, I couldn't find a link to the Statement kit. Do you have one? Thanks again

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Thanks for the suggestion Steve. I'll get in touch with him and also email speaker builders listed on Bill Fitzmaurice's page. BTW, I couldn't a link to the Statement kit. Do you have one? Thanks again
Just this one:

https://www.speakerhardware.com/stat...-flat-pack.php

There is also a guy who builds cabinets for Madisound kits:

http://www.taylorspeakers.com/html/custom__kits.html
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Just this one:

https://www.speakerhardware.com/stat...-flat-pack.php

There is also a guy who builds cabinets for Madisound kits:

http://www.taylorspeakers.com/html/custom__kits.html
Thanks The Statements monitor kit does look like it could be easily adaptable to the BMR monitor. if I write using their listed contact address, will I get Leland?
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I'd assume so. On their About Us page they actually invite designers such as yourself to contact them.

Given the level of interest here, it would seem that the BMR could be pretty popular for them.
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Thanks. Have you spoken to Leland at Speaker Hardware? He does packs for similarly clever kits.
Good news. Thanks to the tip from Steve Dodds, I've lined up flat packs and finished cabinets for the BMR. I have to iron out final details for the finished cabinets, but they'll be Baltic Birch and stained and finished to customer preference. The flat packs will also be birch, and go for $300/pair. The wait time for finished cabinets will be a month or less. I'll post full details when I know pricing for the cabinets.
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The wait time for finished cabinets will be a month or less.
That's what he says now...
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That's what he says now...
He seems to have a pretty good track record, and the finished cabinets will just be assembled from the flat pack. But we'll see.
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He seems to have a pretty good track record, and the finished cabinets will just be assembled from the flat pack. But we'll see.
I just mean I'm not sure if he knows what the demand will be.
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I just mean I'm not sure if he knows what the demand will be.
Well, the demand could be from zippo to brisk. I have no idea how many people will want to assemble a kit.
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Let's do a Massdrop on BMR speaker kits.

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