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Ding Ding Ding. We have a winner here.
Was the prize a free pair of these with the crossover mod?
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Was the prize a free pair of these with the crossover mod?
Yes. And second prize is two pairs.
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42 minute mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iqt...&frags=pl%2Cwn

I might have might not have their words verbatim, but I seem to remember they made it sound like you were in a chat window online. Obviously if this was you, not your fault, it appears that you just texted them the answer back and they mischaracterized it as you being in a real time chat during their livestream broadcast.

The whole chat announcement was made earlier in the video.
OK--Now I remember. I thought by "chat" you meant actual footage of me blabbering away. That was a live podcast that I was alerted to, and I chimed in when they mentioned the Monoprice mod. BTW, someone just sent me pics of a BMR built out of Corian. Now, if I could source cabinets like that, I would be riiiiiiiiich. https://imgur.com/a/TTzIq8K
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Has anyone built a set of the flat packs yet? The video is great, and they look a good design. The shipping price made me wince a little, but given the kit has sold out at Meniscus I am also in no rush to beat the shelter in place ordnance to get a sheet of baltic birch locally.
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Has anyone built a set of the flat packs yet? The video is great, and they look a good design. The shipping price made me wince a little, but given the kit has sold out at Meniscus I am also in no rush to beat the shelter in place ordnance to get a sheet of baltic birch locally.
There's conflicting information on the availability of the Meniscus kit. Tweeters are definitely out of stock due to shortages in parts because of the Corona thing, but it says in red that you can order everything else. Then, at the top of the page, it says the kit is unavailable. I suspect you can order everything else.

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Thanks Dennis, I didn't notice the part in red (or the tweeters should be in stock in a few weeks).
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OK--Now I remember. I thought by "chat" you meant actual footage of me blabbering away. That was a live podcast that I was alerted to, and I chimed in when they mentioned the Monoprice mod. BTW, someone just sent me pics of a BMR built out of Corian. Now, if I could source cabinets like that, I would be riiiiiiiiich. https://imgur.com/a/TTzIq8K
Those Corian Cabs are pretty slick. I wonder how inert they are compared to good Baltic Birch or MDF; how the material weight compares?

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OK--Now I remember. I thought by "chat" you meant actual footage of me blabbering away. That was a live podcast that I was alerted to, and I chimed in when they mentioned the Monoprice mod. BTW, someone just sent me pics of a BMR built out of Corian. Now, if I could source cabinets like that, I would be riiiiiiiiich. https://imgur.com/a/TTzIq8K
So how does one get the new crossovers? From you, Dennis?

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So how does one get the new crossovers? From you, Dennis?
I don't have any plans to sell them. Most anyone could put the modded board together. We'll have to wait on all that until the Audioholics reviewer gets a pair together and decides that the mod is worth building.
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I don't have any plans to sell them. Most anyone could put the modded board together. We'll have to wait on all that until the Audioholics reviewer gets a pair together and decides that the mod is worth building.
Yes, sound like that review is long overdo! Since this discussion cause me to rewatch the Audioholic review of the Monoprice/Dayton speakers, what was your impression of the Dayton Audio speaker and do you think it could be improved by a mod?

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BTW, someone just sent me pics of a BMR built out of Corian. Now, if I could source cabinets like that, I would be riiiiiiiiich. https://imgur.com/a/TTzIq8K
OMG those Corian Cabinets are a work of art!

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Those Corian Cabs are pretty slick. I wonder how inert they are compared to good Baltic Birch or MDF; how the material weight compares?

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PHYSICAL PROPERTIESPropertyTestTypical ResultDensityASTM D7921.7 g/cm3Approximate weight per square foot 6 mm (14")2.2 lbs.Approximate weight per square foot 12 mm (12")4.4 lbs.Thermal ExpansionASTM E2283.9 x 10-5 m/m °C (2.2 x 10-5 in./in.°F) Hardness - Rockwell “M” ScaleASTM D785>85Hardness - Barcol ImpressorISO 19712-2 (ASTM D2583)56MECHANICAL PROPERTIESPropertyTestTypical ResultFlexural ModulusASTM D7901.2 x 106 psi Flexural Strength10,000 psi Tensile ModulusASTM D6381.5 x 106 psi Tensile Strength6,000 psi Tensile Elongation0.4 % min.Compressive strengthASTM C36516,000 psi

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1/4-inch thick Baltic birch plywood is estimated at about .8 pounds per square foot, weighing just over 25 pounds a sheet, while 1/2-inch-thick birch plywood is estimated at 1.5 pounds per square foot, and using the engineering formula, tips the scales at about 48 pounds.

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So..... if 6 mm(~1/4") thick Corian weighs 2.2 lbs SQ/FT and 1/4" birch ply weighs 0.8 lbs per SQ/FT...... Corian is 2.75X more dense vs birch.
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OK--Now I remember. I thought by "chat" you meant actual footage of me blabbering away. That was a live podcast that I was alerted to, and I chimed in when they mentioned the Monoprice mod. BTW, someone just sent me pics of a BMR built out of Corian. Now, if I could source cabinets like that, I would be riiiiiiiiich. https://imgur.com/a/TTzIq8K
Can I assume that Corian cabinet was DIY?

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[QUOTE=Elihawk;59408914]Can I assume that Corian cabinet was DIY?[/QUOTE]

It was DIY, but the builder is a professional Corian installer, so it's not like he was experimenting.
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Can I assume that Corian cabinet was DIY?
It was DIY, but the builder is a professional Corian installer, so it's not like he was experimenting.

He should've milled the perimeter of the baffle with some fancy countertop edge!

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The last I heard from Meniscus regarding my kit order was that the tweeters should be shipping to them in mid April. However, that was from a call from them after I placed my order, because someone had just purchased a kit with the last tweeters before I did. I have not spoken to them since things started going crazy and dont know if or how orders will be affected.
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So..... if 6 mm(~1/4") thick Corian weighs 2.2 lbs SQ/FT and 1/4" birch ply weighs 0.8 lbs per SQ/FT...... Corian is 2.75X more dense vs birch.
Thanks for the legwork on that! I am guessing, after reading about Corian, that it likely is relatively inert as a substrate for cabinet building. I can only imagine though how heavy those boxes are, fully assembled. The Chinese Cabinets weighed in at 34# IIRC... 3/4" MDF, and the MDF is heavier than the Birch Ply.
Even though I'm SIP right now, the Lady would have a field day with me if I sat down to Math-O-Late the weight of his cabinets rather than get back to the yardwork I need to get done!
I'm guessing his are weighing in at ~40-45# each.

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Thanks for the legwork on that! I am guessing, after reading about Corian, that it likely is relatively inert as a substrate for cabinet building. I can only imagine though how heavy those boxes are, fully assembled. The Chinese Cabinets weighed in at 34# IIRC... 3/4" MDF, and the MDF is heavier than the Birch Ply.
Even though I'm SIP right now, the Lady would have a field day with me if I sat down to Math-O-Late the weight of his cabinets rather than get back to the yardwork I need to get done!
I'm guessing his are weighing in at ~40-45# each.
I am the person who made the cabinets. Dennis informed me he shared them here. I plan on weighing them this weekend when I get a scale on hand but the other information here is correct about 1/2" Corian weighing ~4.4 lbs per square foot. I believe there might be some variance with the darker colors like the navy I used here which is why I plan on weighing them.
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I am the person who made the cabinets. Dennis informed me he shared them here. I plan on weighing them this weekend when I get a scale on hand but the other information here is correct about 1/2" Corian weighing ~4.4 lbs per square foot. I believe there might be some variance with the darker colors like the navy I used here which is why I plan on weighing them.
Gotta ask, if you would be kind enough to share, please:
What would something like that cost?
(Don't worry, I'm not asking for you to do it, just curious about the material and labor cost from an intellectual standpoint.)
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Gotta ask, if you would be kind enough to share, please:
What would something like that cost?
(Don't worry, I'm not asking for you to do it, just curious about the material and labor cost from an intellectual standpoint.)
Thanks!
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It is very hard for me to say since pricing and build time varies significantly by color. If I had to throw a number out there for a cabinet I'd say a couple grand for something pretty bare bones like a solid white.

I couldn't put a number on this specific pair as I have many many hours into them over the course of the last month. I intend for them to be my "forever" pair of speakers; we will see how that holds up haha.

Also, you might remember me messaging you on a different forum almost exactly a month ago in regards to the BMR's. It was your detailed replies that allowed me to make a final decision on them so thank you for taking the time to answer my questions.
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I don't have any plans to sell them. Most anyone could put the modded board together. We'll have to wait on all that until the Audioholics reviewer gets a pair together and decides that the mod is worth building.
This would definitely involve soldering, correct?
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It is very hard for me to say since pricing and build time varies significantly by color. If I had to throw a number out there for a cabinet I'd say a couple grand for something pretty bare bones like a solid white.

I couldn't put a number on this specific pair as I have many many hours into them over the course of the last month. I intend for them to be my "forever" pair of speakers; we will see how that holds up haha.

Also, you might remember me messaging you on a different forum almost exactly a month ago in regards to the BMR's. It was your detailed replies that allowed me to make a final decision on them so thank you for taking the time to answer my questions.
Ha! I knew I recognized that handle... just couldn't place it. Welcome!
Wow, that is a chunk-a-change. I'm certain it cost you much less in material, I hope. And your time is your time... for results like that, I'd say time well invested!!!
I'm still going to follow the path of learning to dye veneer.


Again, stunning!


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Wow, that is a chunk-a-change. I'm certain it cost you much less in material, I hope. And your time is your time... for results like that, I'd say time well invested!!!
I'm still going to follow the path of learning to dye veneer.


Again, stunning!


How do they sound to you?
I would have to sit down and delve into the actual time and costs to be honest. The sound is really quite stunning. Sometimes it is hard to believe that all of the sounds I am hearing are coming from just the two speakers in front of me because the soundstage is so clear. I will take measurements and get a miniDSP setup this weekend because my small listening room is causing a few issues but even with the room I am very satisfied with them.
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I would have to sit down and delve into the actual time and costs to be honest. The sound is really quite stunning. Sometimes it is hard to believe that all of the sounds I am hearing are coming from just the two speakers in front of me because the soundstage is so clear. I will take measurements and get a miniDSP setup this weekend because my small listening room is causing a few issues but even with the room I am very satisfied with them.
Well, it appears I have the first BMR every made...but you might have the most handsome one! Congrats! The only one that might compete was a Salk cabinet version in a stunning blue stain...anyway, beautiful work on that cabinet!

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It is very hard for me to say since pricing and build time varies significantly by color. If I had to throw a number out there for a cabinet I'd say a couple grand for something pretty bare bones like a solid white.

I couldn't put a number on this specific pair as I have many many hours into them over the course of the last month. I intend for them to be my "forever" pair of speakers; we will see how that holds up haha.

Also, you might remember me messaging you on a different forum almost exactly a month ago in regards to the BMR's. It was your detailed replies that allowed me to make a final decision on them so thank you for taking the time to answer my questions.
Didn't you also do these amazing curved Classix II speakers?



Based on the one's I've seen on reddit, you have made enough of these speakers to put a down payment on a house in NorCal!
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So yes, the tower is the Monoprice, and no, it doesn't use a ribbon tweeter, despite the "RT" designation.
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Ding Ding Ding. We have a winner here.
At 30" high, it's a perfect speaker stand for the BMRs. Cheaper than some speaker stands in the market. I posted the question at the Monoprice site, and three owners approved of the idea :-)
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Didn't you also do these amazing curved Classix II speakers?


Based on the one's I've seen on reddit, you have made enough of these speakers to put a down payment on a house in NorCal!
Yes! I did make those for a close friend. I've made a couple Classix II's for friends because the kit is affordable and it sounds great. I haven't shared my BMR's with Reddit yet but I will soon. I want to get listening impressions with a miniDSP and my normal amp first.

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Thanks for the legwork on that! I am guessing, after reading about Corian, that it likely is relatively inert as a substrate for cabinet building. I can only imagine though how heavy those boxes are, fully assembled. The Chinese Cabinets weighed in at 34# IIRC... 3/4" MDF, and the MDF is heavier than the Birch Ply.
Even though I'm SIP right now, the Lady would have a field day with me if I sat down to Math-O-Late the weight of his cabinets rather than get back to the yardwork I need to get done!
I'm guessing his are weighing in at ~40-45# each.

I got a scale in today. After weighing one it appears that they come in at just under 43 pounds so good job on the estimation.
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Yes! I did make those for a close friend. I've made a couple Classix II's for friends because the kit is affordable and it sounds great. I haven't shared my BMR's with Reddit yet but I will soon. I want to get listening impressions with a miniDSP and my normal amp first.




I got a scale in today. After weighing one it appears that they come in at just under 43 pounds so good job on the estimation.
My regular BMRs weigh a shade over 30lbs..

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