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That falls into room design and choices for access to the speakers. I have a door that opens into the area behind my Screen,but I can still take the screen off the mounts to swap out speakers if needed. If you have the space for an accessible space with a door on the side that's great,if you don't than plan on taking the screen down to work on the speakers which shouldn't happen much unless you blow one up! 😎
I have attached a plan to install Silver Ticket 125" (diagonally) 2.35:1 AT screen. Gray area is my front wall. For SkyPop and others who have installed 590s behind an AT screen,

1. Can you post a picture of your behind AT setup?

2. I am looking at leaving about 20-24" from the floor to install the screen. In this case, would you install the speaker from the floor or would you raise a platform for 20-24" height and install the speakers and subwoofers on top of that? 590s are as tall as my screen height (i.e. 50") hence the question.

3. Would you finish the wall behind the AT before installing the speakers and screen (or) What kind of insulation would you have for better sound?

I would appreciate your answers.
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I have attached a plan to install Silver Ticket 125" (diagonally) 2.35:1 AT screen. Gray area is my front wall. For SkyPop and others who have installed 590s behind an AT screen,

1. Can you post a picture of your behind AT setup?

2. I am looking at leaving about 20-24" from the floor to install the screen. In this case, would you install the speaker from the floor or would you raise a platform for 20-24" height and install the speakers and subwoofers on top of that? 590s are as tall as my screen height (i.e. 50") hence the question.

3. Would you finish the wall behind the AT before installing the speakers and screen (or) What kind of insulation would you have for better sound?

I would appreciate your answers.
My speakers are on the floor-no platform- I use a 16X9 screen. You can either leave a cutout in your screen wall for each speaker,or just set your speakers up and use speaker grill cloth on the wall behind the screen,in other words just frame out the screen area but don't use any studs and hang the screen on the top part of the frame out. Doing it like this will give you the ability to move your speakers laft or right or toe them in if you want. Also it's easier to try different speakers since there won't be a specific cutout for one speaker. I haven't done any insulation around my speakers,maybe a winter project for me. They sound great to me as they are.
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My speakers are on the floor-no platform- I use a 16X9 screen. You can either leave a cutout in your screen wall for each speaker,or just set your speakers up and use speaker grill cloth on the wall behind the screen,in other words just frame out the screen area but don't use any studs and hang the screen on the top part of the frame out. Doing it like this will give you the ability to move your speakers laft or right or toe them in if you want. Also it's easier to try different speakers since there won't be a specific cutout for one speaker. I haven't done any insulation around my speakers,maybe a winter project for me. They sound great to me as they are.
Thank you SkyPop. Do you have a picture of your setup?
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Thank you SkyPop. Do you have a picture of your setup?
Nope,I'm out of town for another week,on vacation with the wife!

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My front wall is not flat here are pictures. I am putting up rock wool and I put up some foam diffusion panels.

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My front wall is not flat here are pictures. I am putting up rock wool and I put up some foam diffusion panels.

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Awesome. Thank you Allen.
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I decided to buy a pair of these off ebay.. i gotta tell ya... i really do not hear anything outstanding..
The speakers have a very wide soundstage thanks to the horn. They have clear sound and deep bass but the vocals are too shallow. the highs are too high. teh bass is too thick... So, I took out the inner stuffing. That white clothe stuff. Yea I know all about what that stuff does.. I been doing audio for 35 years.. anyway.. it cleaned up the bass. It sounds a bit better however the speaker overal geberally is just not all that outstanding.



What it does do very good is through the sound out side of the enclosure. its almost liek surround sound.. however the tonal sound is not outstanding..



The bass is the deepest ive heard from any bookshelf of its size but the problem is its a bit augmented by the port and so i find it has too much bass even when someone is talking and has a low pitch boice the voice sometimes have too much bass... where as often the voices are too laid bad or shallow or .. i dont know.. they are just somewhat missing..



There are 2 electrolytic caps that can be replaced with something better... They are easily assesable and probabbly easy to swao put for teflon or poly caps.. electro caps just suck so bad.. This may help the mids..

The highs go wayyy up there. I can hear super high frequencies clear ... in some songs like old Madonna music the instruments will be well outside of the speakers and you can actually look at and point at them.. however like i say, the tonal value is not so accurate...



also i am getting ear fatigue... not sure why.. its rather aggrivating.. its not bad.. its more like fatugue from all the different things i can now hear in the music.. its not really from all the highs... If I can increase the vocals they would be much better... I might work on than in the next week or so.. I have several different audio caps i can try..



Anybody have a schematic for the crossover? that would be very useful. Allot fo times there are things you can do to it to make the sound way better.. Either this crossover has a very high crossover rate or there is some sort of equalization and zobel networking goin on .. it has more parts in the crossover than i ever seen in a bookshelf... Them cement resistors can be upfraded to metal oxide as well....


UPDATE: I got the schematics and bad news for your JBL 5 series fanboys..
The mids on the 530 and 520c use **** crap electrolytic caps.
I do not know about the other models..

The 2 large black caps need to be replaced with better poly caps.
The rating for the 530 midrange is 24uf 100v and on the tweeter it is 12uf 100v.

The rating for the 520c midrange is 27uf 100v and on the tweeter is 15uf 100v
CHANGE THESE! Repalce them with Poly caps or whatever favorite caps you like. Just change them cause they are sucking the life out of these speakers. Have no idea why JBL would make such a great crossover with all those poly caps and skimp out on just these 2 caps. Dam shame.

ALSO on the 530 and 520c there are cheap ceramic cement resistors which need to be changed. These are not such a big deal but I am changing them to non incuctive higher quality parts.
The 520C has 3 resistors values at 12ohm and 5.1ohm both at 10watts and a 2ohm 5watt
The 530 uses 3 resistors values at 16ohm and 2.7ohm both at 10watts and a 1.5ohm 5watt


Changing these all on a 5.1 surround sound setup will cost around 100$. This upgrade should be significant because we all know electrolytic caps just plain suck.



Also it seems the crossver has MANY circuits on the tweeter which look like eqalization and impedance compensation. The mid has one small cap on it which seems to be just some sort of safety cap for dc voltage across the + and - of the mid. This cap is valued at just .01uf 100v on both the 530 and 520c. You could actually remove this cap and often see another upgrade in sound because its sapping off some of the potential in exchange for safety..

I do not want to remove the tweeter circuits, just change out the parts that can be upgraded becuase the circuits on the tweeter are complicated and could be detrimenatl to the overall tweeter performance.
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I have attached a plan to install Silver Ticket 125" (diagonally) 2.35:1 AT screen. Gray area is my front wall. For SkyPop and others who have installed 590s behind an AT screen,



1. Can you post a picture of your behind AT setup?



2. I am looking at leaving about 20-24" from the floor to install the screen. In this case, would you install the speaker from the floor or would you raise a platform for 20-24" height and install the speakers and subwoofers on top of that? 590s are as tall as my screen height (i.e. 50") hence the question.



3. Would you finish the wall behind the AT before installing the speakers and screen (or) What kind of insulation would you have for better sound?



I would appreciate your answers.
Hello - I am finishing my basement and will be buying the silver ticket frame 16:9. I am still deciding size of screen. Mine is a fairly small room. As you see in the picture I am building out a door behind the screen which can be entered from under the stairs. This area will also have a door on the opposite side so that I can enter through it, open the door shown below and access the back of the speakers. On the right side I will have a similar but small opening. I am also still deciding if I keep speakers in floor or mount them on a stand.

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I have three studio 590 and two studio 580 boxes. Since I have not yet installed the speakers in my theater I have kept the boxes in case I need to return as part of warranty if something doesn't work. It's been about 3 months since I have purchased them and I have test run them and they work good. However the boxes consume a lot of place. Are you folks keeping the boxes or just throwing them away?

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I have five studio 590 and two studio 580 boxes. Since I have not yet installed the speakers in my theater I have kept the boxes in case I need to return as part of warranty if something doesn't work. It's been about 3 months since I have purchased them and I have test run them and they work good. However the boxes consume a lot of place. Are you folks keeping the boxes or just throwing them away?

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I was also thinking about the same thing. Should we collect all the foams in one 590 box and flatten the remaining boxes to store? Though I bought 5 590s, I can only use 3 for LCRs due to space issue. I was not thinking straight I have to sell the remaining two as 30 days return window has passed
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I was also thinking about the same thing. Should we collect all the foams in one 590 box and flatten the remaining boxes to store? Though I bought 5 590s, I can only use 3 for LCRs due to space issue. I was not thinking straight I have to sell the remaining two as 30 days return window has passed
I had the same space issue. So purchase three 590s and two 580s.

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I have five studio 590 and two studio 580 boxes. Since I have not yet installed the speakers in my theater I have kept the boxes in case I need to return as part of warranty if something doesn't work. It's been about 3 months since I have purchased them and I have test run them and they work good. However the boxes consume a lot of place. Are you folks keeping the boxes or just throwing them away?

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I'd keep at least one box of each, for possible warranty return. These things would be tough to ship safely without the original packaging.

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I was also thinking about the same thing. Should we collect all the foams in one 590 box and flatten the remaining boxes to store? Though I bought 5 590s, I can only use 3 for LCRs due to space issue. I was not thinking straight I have to sell the remaining two as 30 days return window has passed
Corrected my count above.

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I'd keep at least one box of each, for possible warranty return. These things would be tough to ship safely without the original packaging.
I have corrected my count above.

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Anyone use SVS Prime Elevation speakers with a Studio 590 setup? I've got 5 of the 590 towers in a 5.2 setup, and love them. I bought two Studio 530 bookshelf speakers, and sometimes enjoy adding them for 7.2, or even replacing my surround 590s, especially if I want to tinker with placement of the surrounds.

But I'm finding the 530s are not ideal for Atmos placement. My main listening area is our family room, so my wife is already being quite tolerant to put up with 5 Studio 590 towers. So I don't want to junk it up worse by coming up with some odd way of mounting the 530 speakers to my ceiling. For the moment, I've got one 530 up on a tall bookshelf, and another on a speaker stand on top of a low shelf. It's not ideal, but it's showing me that I definitely want Atmos.

I worry the SVS Elevations will be too different in sound quality than the JBLs. But does that matter as much for overhead speakers? I noticed a big difference when I went from Studio 230 bookshelf speakers as my surrounds to the Studio 590. Less difference when subbing in the 530 bookshelf speakers. But is matching more critical among speakers at the base level?
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Anyone use SVS Prime Elevation speakers with a Studio 590 setup? I've got 5 of the 590 towers in a 5.2 setup, and love them. I bought two Studio 530 bookshelf speakers, and sometimes enjoy adding them for 7.2, or even replacing my surround 590s, especially if I want to tinker with placement of the surrounds.

But I'm finding the 530s are not ideal for Atmos placement. My main listening area is our family room, so my wife is already being quite tolerant to put up with 5 Studio 590 towers. So I don't want to junk it up worse by coming up with some odd way of mounting the 530 speakers to my ceiling. For the moment, I've got one 530 up on a tall bookshelf, and another on a speaker stand on top of a low shelf. It's not ideal, but it's showing me that I definitely want Atmos.

I worry the SVS Elevations will be too different in sound quality than the JBLs. But does that matter as much for overhead speakers? I noticed a big difference when I went from Studio 230 bookshelf speakers as my surrounds to the Studio 590. Less difference when subbing in the 530 bookshelf speakers. But is matching more critical among speakers at the base level?
I've never used any SVS speakers so I can't be totally honest here,But the other day I was watching Hellboy2-not that remake crap-and early in the movie when the prince is underground practicing with his sword, the way the sound moved from left to right to up and down and with the added water sounds it was great, no change in tonality at all! So basically if you have a movie that has a scene like that than you can hear the difference or not.
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Anyone use SVS Prime Elevation speakers with a Studio 590 setup? I've got 5 of the 590 towers in a 5.2 setup, and love them. I bought two Studio 530 bookshelf speakers, and sometimes enjoy adding them for 7.2, or even replacing my surround 590s, especially if I want to tinker with placement of the surrounds.



But I'm finding the 530s are not ideal for Atmos placement. My main listening area is our family room, so my wife is already being quite tolerant to put up with 5 Studio 590 towers. So I don't want to junk it up worse by coming up with some odd way of mounting the 530 speakers to my ceiling. For the moment, I've got one 530 up on a tall bookshelf, and another on a speaker stand on top of a low shelf. It's not ideal, but it's showing me that I definitely want Atmos.



I worry the SVS Elevations will be too different in sound quality than the JBLs. But does that matter as much for overhead speakers? I noticed a big difference when I went from Studio 230 bookshelf speakers as my surrounds to the Studio 590. Less difference when subbing in the 530 bookshelf speakers. But is matching more critical among speakers at the base level?
Do you use an external amp or is your receiver able to take the load of the five 590s?

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My current Denon X3400H can handle the load just fine, but I do use a couple of Outlaw mono block amplifiers for the front mains. Seems to give them just a bit more oomph and clarity, though I wonder if that's placebo effect. :-)

I'm playing with the idea of upgrading to X4500H or the new X3600H. Both receivers have 9 internal amps, but can process 11.2. So, combined with my mono block amps, I could do 7.2.4, which would be a nice upgrade. I don't have the ideal layout for a good 5.2.2, since I can't put speakers in the ceiling, so I think I need at least 5.2.4 to get a strong overhead sound. 7.2.4 may or may not be worth it to me over 5.2.4. But I need a new receiver to do anything more than 5.2.2.
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I worry the SVS Elevations will be too different in sound quality than the JBLs. But does that matter as much for overhead speakers? I noticed a big difference when I went from Studio 230 bookshelf speakers as my surrounds to the Studio 590. Less difference when subbing in the 530 bookshelf speakers. But is matching more critical among speakers at the base level?
I don't think you'll have much issue with that combo. I used to have a pair of Prime Elevations pulling Top Middle duty in my setup. Ran that way for 1.5 years, I think.

I don't claim ultimate awareness of timbre changes as sounds go from speaker to speaker, but having experienced both different and exactly matched surrounds, I can certainly vouch for the improved panning and seamless sound field that comes from identical/same model line speaker matching.

I say all that to say, the Primes in height duty never stood apart from the Studios and blended well, even at my moderately high watch volumes. Maybe room EQ helped, but either way, I certainly missed them in those moments I would switch them off to remember what only the bed layer sounded like.

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I've never used any SVS speakers so I can't be totally honest here,But the other day I was watching Hellboy2-not that remake crap-and early in the movie when the prince is underground practicing with his sword, the way the sound moved from left to right to up and down and with the added water sounds it was great, no change in tonality at all! So basically if you have a movie that has a scene like that than you can hear the difference or not.
I read great stuff about those SCS8 height speakers you have, and how well they blend with the 590s. But aren't those over $400 each?

Has anyone tried the Studio 530 for heights? I have a pair that I really like when in surround rear duty, and they match very nicely with the 590 towers. But I'd think they would be a huge pain to mount as heights?

I've seen where someone bought a bunch of 520C center channels and used those for heights. But I am not a big fan of that speaker. I've tried it twice, and didn't think it blended well when cranked to high volumes.
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I read great stuff about those SCS8 height speakers you have, and how well they blend with the 590s. But aren't those over $400 each?

Has anyone tried the Studio 530 for heights? I have a pair that I really like when in surround rear duty, and they match very nicely with the 590 towers. But I'd think they would be a huge pain to mount as heights?

I've seen where someone bought a bunch of 520C center channels and used those for heights. But I am not a big fan of that speaker. I've tried it twice, and didn't think it blended well when cranked to high volumes.
Yes they are pricey when you need 4 of them! But I bought 2 at first to make sure that I liked them, and after just 1 movie I was online buying 2 more! They're kinda big but when used in A dedicated theater room with A Black Velvet ceiling you don't see them at all during A movie. At one time JBL made A SCS6 which was A little smaller and for A little less money. I couldn't find any of the 6" version anywhere,BUT the JBL Control5 speaker might work out for you, you ceiling or wall mount them,good price for the pr. also.
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I read great stuff about those SCS8 height speakers you have, and how well they blend with the 590s. But aren't those over $400 each?

Has anyone tried the Studio 530 for heights? I have a pair that I really like when in surround rear duty, and they match very nicely with the 590 towers. But I'd think they would be a huge pain to mount as heights?
You can find the SCS-8 for less than that. Keep in mind that they also come with their own mounting brackets. That's kind of a nice feature, since you don't have to worry about jury-rigging something to hold them up.

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I've had my 590s for a few years, and a friend wanted me to do an inroom measurement of mine before he went out and bought a pair. Figured I'd share the results.

Studio 590s + Yamaha RX-A840 (No DSP) + REW + UMIK-1.

I had to double check and make sure I had bass boost turned off after seeing this. I guess the boxes piled up relatively close to the side of the left channel are reinforcing most of the low frequencies .
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