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So now I just need one more pair of speakers to finish out my 7.2.4 setup. I have 590s for front, center and surrounds. Normally one would get another pair for the rears, especially with them on sale. But my setup is in my family room and I will need to move them in and out. The lighter 580 would be easier to move. Plus, if we ever move to a house where I can put in a dedicated theater, I will want the second row on risers. Shorter towers on the riser would allow me to keep the horns at almost exactly the same height all the way around.

Of course, I’ll have to wait for the 580s to go on sale, but that seems likely in the next month or so.

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if you are going to move them get something that's easily moved (530's...or even 230's).. no advantage in straining yourself or damaging speakers over rears... jmo .. ymmv..

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So now I just need one more pair of speakers to finish out my 7.2.4 setup. I have 590s for front, center and surrounds. Normally one would get another pair for the rears, especially with them on sale. But my setup is in my family room and I will need to move them in and out. The lighter 580 would be easier to move. Plus, if we ever move to a house where I can put in a dedicated theater, I will want the second row on risers. Shorter towers on the riser would allow me to keep the horns at almost exactly the same height all the way around.

Of course, I’ll have to wait for the 580s to go on sale, but that seems likely in the next month or so.

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I have 580s for my side surrounds, but only because of the depth of the 590s, otherwise I'd have all 590s for the base channels. The 580s are much easier to move, but I think they are a bit lacking compared to the 590s. That said, for the surround content it's not that critical.

If you do end up with a dedicated theater, short towers for the riser wouldn't make that much of a difference. While the tweeter heights may be closer, the extra height of the 590s would help raise their height above the headrest of the chairs, eliminating some of the sound blockage. I'm actually thinking about raising my rear 590s about a foot, even though they're on the riser, just to get a bit more clearance for the seats in the front row.

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I have 580s for my side surrounds, but only because of the depth of the 590s, otherwise I'd have all 590s for the base channels. The 580s are much easier to move, but I think they are a bit lacking compared to the 590s. That said, for the surround content it's not that critical.

If you do end up with a dedicated theater, short towers for the riser wouldn't make that much of a difference. While the tweeter heights may be closer, the extra height of the 590s would help raise their height above the headrest of the chairs, eliminating some of the sound blockage. I'm actually thinking about raising my rear 590s about a foot, even though they're on the riser, just to get a bit more clearance for the seats in the front row.

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If I had a second row of seating I would definitely raise my rear speakers,I see pictures of Rooms with the high back Theater Seating,but they leave the rear surrounds at the same height,I don't understand having rear surrounds that are partially blocked by your seating,why have them at all if the seat backs block the sound.

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If you do end up with a dedicated theater, short towers for the riser wouldn't make that much of a difference. While the tweeter heights may be closer, the extra height of the 590s would help raise their height above the headrest of the chairs, eliminating some of the sound blockage. I'm actually thinking about raising my rear 590s about a foot, even though they're on the riser, just to get a bit more clearance for the seats in the front row.
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If I had a second row of seating I would definitely raise my rear speakers,I see pictures of Rooms with the high back Theater Seating,but they leave the rear surrounds at the same height,I don't understand having rear surrounds that are partially blocked by your seating,why have them at all if the seat backs block the sound.
Thanks for the feedback. But if you raise the rear speakers, do they provide enough separation versus rear heights? I can't place any speakers in-ceiling, so I'm going to have to do front and rear heights. I've got my front heights, and I already struggle to tell much separation between them and my front mains. I don't have my rear heights yet -- waiting for those 530 bookshelf speakers I ordered.

You guys have me wondering if I shouldn't order another set of 530 for rears. It would give me a lot of flexibility for placement, both now and in the future. Hmmm...
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Thanks for the feedback. But if you raise the rear speakers, do they provide enough separation versus rear heights? I can't place any speakers in-ceiling, so I'm going to have to do front and rear heights. I've got my front heights, and I already struggle to tell much separation between them and my front mains. I don't have my rear heights yet -- waiting for those 530 bookshelf speakers I ordered.

You guys have me wondering if I shouldn't order another set of 530 for rears. It would give me a lot of flexibility for placement, both now and in the future. Hmmm...
Good question,not sure what the distance between bed layer and height layer should be,may have to listen and judge the difference to your liking.

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Thanks for the feedback. But if you raise the rear speakers, do they provide enough separation versus rear heights? I can't place any speakers in-ceiling, so I'm going to have to do front and rear heights. I've got my front heights, and I already struggle to tell much separation between them and my front mains. I don't have my rear heights yet -- waiting for those 530 bookshelf speakers I ordered.

You guys have me wondering if I shouldn't order another set of 530 for rears. It would give me a lot of flexibility for placement, both now and in the future. Hmmm...
Here's what Dolby states in their Dec. 2018 Atmos guidelines:
If possible, the height of the rear speakers should be the same as the height of the front speakers. If the room design makes this impractical or impossible, the rear speakers may be positioned higher than the front speakers. However, we suggest that the height of the rear speakers not be more than 1.25 times the height of the front speakers.
You're kind of in uncharged territory with using heights without on-ceiling or in-ceiling speakers. They usually recommend up-firing modules for that circumstance. On page 57 they show a recommended angle of 30-45 degrees for the front height speakers and 135-150 for the rear heights.

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On page 57 they show a recommended angle of 30-45 degrees for the front height speakers and 135-150 for the rear heights.
In my room, I should end up with almost exactly 30 and 150 degrees for front and rear, respectively. So maybe that's sufficient to differentiate from the base layer?

But I think you guys talked me into 530s for the surround back, so I can play around with placement, both in this house, and in a future one, if I'm so lucky.
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Since it's been kinda slow in here lately I figured I'd post some pics of my 590's,post some of your setup pics too! The SCS8'S are in there too. Sorry about the pics not facing the right direction,if anyone knows how to fix that please be my guest 😎
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Help please! The Studio 590 is on half price sale. I was looking at Klipsch RP-260F/RP-6000F as the main L/R speakers. I’m interested in stereo music quality first, and will take whatever they do in the HT. How will the 590 be for music? And is a Denon 2500 sufficient to drive them?

If music reproduction is your main goal and high movie SPL's and dynamics are not your primary concern... I would actually look elsewhere and not at JBL and Klipsch consumer range speakers. Maybe JBL if you could afford their heavy duty Synthesis line. The 5 Series, though originally categorized as the low end of the Synthesis product range, is not in the same league.



Try Emotiva's Airmotiv speakers if you are looking at mid priced speakers. They're a bit more on the neutral to slightly warm range and still solid for movies with better, more natural singer vocalist reproduction. SVS's new Pinnacle Towers are getting solid reviews too... a bit zippier on the upper frequency range, but not like Klipsch horns, which can be biting.

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Anyone here know how the 580s sound compared to the 530s? Are they worth paying double for? I love my 530s but feel like they'd be absolutely perfect if they had just a bit more bass on their own. I'm tempted to buy a pair of 580s the next time they're on sale but I don't want to bother if it'd be a negligible upgrade.

Oh, and I should add that this would be for a bedroom setup. Would the 580s be too much?

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If music reproduction is your main goal and high movie SPL's and dynamics are not your primary concern... I would actually look elsewhere and not at JBL and Klipsch consumer range speakers. Maybe JBL if you could afford their heavy duty Synthesis line. The 5 Series, though originally categorized as the low end of the Synthesis product range, is not in the same league.



Try Emotiva's Airmotiv speakers if you are looking at mid priced speakers. They're a bit more on the neutral to slightly warm range and still solid for movies with better, more natural singer vocalist reproduction. SVS's new Pinnacle Towers are getting solid reviews too... a bit zippier on the upper frequency range, but not like Klipsch horns, which can be biting.
Thanks, Dan. Wife squash the 590 anyway due to size. I will investigate your suggested.
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Try Emotiva's Airmotiv speakers if you are looking at mid priced speakers. They're a bit more on the neutral to slightly warm range and still solid for movies with better, more natural singer vocalist reproduction. SVS's new Pinnacle Towers are getting solid reviews too... a bit zippier on the upper frequency range, but not like Klipsch horns, which can be biting.
You're suggesting these as better music performers?

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Try Emotiva's Airmotiv speakers if you are looking at mid priced speakers. They're a bit more on the neutral to slightly warm range and still solid for movies with better, more natural singer vocalist reproduction. SVS's new Pinnacle Towers are getting solid reviews too... a bit zippier on the upper frequency range, but not like Klipsch horns, which can be biting.
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My folks picked up three on sale and I would definitely say that though the 590's can sound good with music, they excel at movie reproduction with loud dynamics and a wide spread of sound at the expense of some degree of natural sonic accuracy. You can definitely catch it on some speech frequency ranges.

It stands to reason since the compression tweeters used in the Series 5 range come from the world of commercial cinema speakers. It's a give and take when trying to strike a balance when looking for high SPL capabilities.

These 590's do sound less brittle and harsh than many Klipsch consumer horn loaded speakers, however.
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Magic is right! I purchased 3 Studio 590s for my front sound stage back in may/june during the big sale and got them for like 60% off. They have been in storage since they arrived as I have been building a new house. Today I finally got the theater mostly finished up. It was like Christmas. My Epson 4010 projector showed up, I finished all the outlets so I had power, got my new theater seats that have been sitting in the garage setup and finally plugged in the Pioneer elite VSX503 receiver and got sound pumping through the 3 590s. Still don't have any surrounds or my new SVS sub connected. OMG these speakers sound amazing. I watched about an hour of toy story 4, 4k disc through xbox one x ( have a penny 820 I am waiting to hook up) and man did it sound amazing with just the 3 590s connected. Cant wait to get it all dialed in, get the 530s hooked up and then find a couple more to complete the setup. Also will be adding 4 ceiling speakers for an atmos system down the road. so glad I found this thread and thee speakers. They were not at all on my radar prior.
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Magic is right! I purchased 3 Studio 590s for my front sound stage back in may/june during the big sale and got them for like 60% off. They have been in storage since they arrived as I have been building a new house. Today I finally got the theater mostly finished up. It was like Christmas. My Epson 4010 projector showed up, I finished all the outlets so I had power, got my new theater seats that have been sitting in the garage setup and finally plugged in the Pioneer elite VSX503 receiver and got sound pumping through the 3 590s. Still don't have any surrounds or my new SVS sub connected. OMG these speakers sound amazing. I watched about an hour of toy story 4, 4k disc through xbox one x ( have a penny 820 I am waiting to hook up) and man did it sound amazing with just the 3 590s connected. Cant wait to get it all dialed in, get the 530s hooked up and then find a couple more to complete the setup. Also will be adding 4 ceiling speakers for an atmos system down the road. so glad I found this thread and thee speakers. They were not at all on my radar prior.
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From reading the last pages, I see it’s recommended to add a 590 or 580 as a center channel. I currently have 2 590’s and 2 530’s and a PSA SUB v1800. Only thing I’ve been missing from my setup has been a center channel. I have two questions.
Would there be a big improvement in adding a center channel? And is it that bad to add a 520c? Don’t have the room now for a 590, but I will by next summer (moving) in which I can just wait.
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From reading the last pages, I see it’s recommended to add a 590 or 580 as a center channel. I currently have 2 590’s and 2 530’s and a PSA SUB v1800. Only thing I’ve been missing from my setup has been a center channel. I have two questions.
Would there be a big improvement in adding a center channel? And is it that bad to add a 520c? Don’t have the room now for a 590, but I will by next summer (moving) in which I can just wait.

Don't wait... get another 590 while you still can on sale (they won't be around much longer). This is seemingly towards the last hurrah in terms of the Series 5.



You want 3 matching towers. The 580 actually sounds somewhat dissimilar to the 590 due to seemingly a difference in cross-over networking. You won't regret it... though you will need to consider an acoustically transparent screen. My 80+ year old folks bought 3 590's for their rec room and the panning is seamless across the front.

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You can find the SCS-8 for less than that. Keep in mind that they also come with their own mounting brackets. That's kind of a nice feature, since you don't have to worry about jury-rigging something to hold them up.

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Any recommendations on where to get the SCS-8 for less than $400 each? Feel free to PM me.

I'm using two Studio 530 bookshelf speakers as my front heights, and two Studio 230 (again, bookshelf speakers) as my rear heights. I bought brackets for them that allow me to mount them up high and angle them back down, but they seem less than ideal (can't angle them enough). The idea of being able to aim my heights exactly how I want is seeming more and more appealing. In fact, with the SCS-8, I could probably ceiling mount them, which I think might give me a better overhead sound than using wall-mounted heights.
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You can find the SCS-8 for less than that. Keep in mind that they also come with their own mounting brackets. That's kind of a nice feature, since you don't have to worry about jury-rigging something to hold them up.

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Any recommendations on where to get the SCS-8 for less than regular price? Feel free to PM me.

I'm using two Studio 530 bookshelf speakers as my front height, and two Studio 230 (again, bookshelf speakers) as my rear heights. I bought brackets for them that allow me to mount them up high and angle them back down, but they seem less than ideal. The idea of being able to aim them exactly how I want is seeming more and more appealing.
I would love to know as well.

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Somebody kindly reached out with info on how to get a good deal on the SCS8. Thanks!

For those who own these, how flexible is the aiming? I see that it comes in a bracket that allows you to pivot through a pretty wide range of angles up and down. What I’m curious about is whether I could mount the bracket to the ceiling with a single bolt, which would allow me to rotate the whole bracket, so I can angle the speaker not only up and down but also side to side.

I ask because my TV is in the corner of the room, so my whole theater setup is diagonal to the orientation of the room. Therefore, the floor joists in the ceiling above will run diagonal to my setup. Plus, it’s a family room, so I may want to change the seating based on how many people are watching with me. So flexibility is key.

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With so many positive reviews here about the JBL SCS8, I decided to just order a pair and see how I like them. If they’re a great fit, I’ll buy more. They are non-returnable. Otherwise, I would have bought 4 to try them all out at once.

I have a hard time discerning my current height speakers from the base layer. Putting them on the walls (even near the ceiling) meant having them at the bare minimum angle recommended by Dolby, or maybe a little worse. The SCS8’s included brackets would allow me to put them in the recommended Top Front and Top Rear positions, which I think will give me a much better sense of sound coming from above.
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JBL 530 bookshelf speakers back in stock

It'll be interesting to see if they put them on sale on or around Black Friday!

Now that I've given up on my idea of using them for Atmos speakers, I'm not in the market to buy more. But I do love the pair I have as back speakers.
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With so many positive reviews here about the JBL SCS8, I decided to just order a pair and see how I like them. If they’re a great fit, I’ll buy more. They are non-returnable. Otherwise, I would have bought 4 to try them all out at once.

I have a hard time discerning my current height speakers from the base layer. Putting them on the walls (even near the ceiling) meant having them at the bare minimum angle recommended by Dolby, or maybe a little worse. The SCS8’s included brackets would allow me to put them in the recommended Top Front and Top Rear positions, which I think will give me a much better sense of sound coming from above.
Now I'm in the market for some! If you know of any other good deals on SCS 8's, please share

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Now I'm in the market for some! If you know of any other good deals on SCS 8's, please share
Since they discourage pricing discussion in this thread, I've sent you a PM. Hope that helps!
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I got my first pair of JBL SCS8's today. I'm worried how they might look in the family room, and wondered if I made a mistake buying them. My wife wisely suggested I hook them up and just listen to them before drilling huge holes in my ceiling to hang them. So I put them on some bookshelf speaker stands I had, and placed them in the surround back position.

I just gotta say, these things blend beautifully with my 590 towers. In fact, I put on the Hans Zimmer "Live in Prague" blu-ray recorded in Dolby Atmos, as I think music is a tougher test than movie sounds. I think I prefer them over the 530 bookshelf speakers from the same line as the 590s, which is saying a lot!

Tomorrow, I'll go pick up some lag screws and hang them up to see if I like them so much more than the SVS prime elevation speakers that they justify the added cost and the significant downgrade in visual aesthetics. I suspect I will. In fact, I like them so much, I'm already tempted to replace my bookshelf speakers in the rear with another pair of them!
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JBL.com is selling the 520C center, 530 bookshelf and 590 towers for the lowest prices I've ever seen. Thought I'd mention it in case people had been waiting for a sale.
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Just picked up a pair of Studio 530s on that sale. I already own the 590's and 520C and had gotten them half off but this sale is even better.

BTW, anyone have a recommendation on in-ceiling speakers to match the 590s and 530s?

They have the SP8CII 8" in-ceiling on sale right now too but not sure how well these would match. I was hoping they would have a better sale on the Studio 2 6 or 8 ICs but they are only $50 off.
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I picked up two pairs of 530's though I only need 3 for L/C/R duties. If anyone needs just one, I'll split my pair with you - Just PM me.

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JBL.com is selling the 520C center, 530 bookshelf and 590 towers for the lowest prices I've ever seen. Thought I'd mention it in case people had been waiting for a sale.
+1

I was in NO WAY looking to buy any more speakers for 2019 (my wife's gonna kill me)... but at $300 for a pair of the JBL 530's? I had to. I was powerless against the forces of this deal.
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So I have around 10 pairs of speakers and a good deal of them don't get enough listening time as is.

Somebody give me a really good reason why I should buy the Studio 530 on sale because I need one right now
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