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EDIT: It appears JBL's entire Cyber Monday sale is still live and might be for a few hours.

12:10am PST and they're still on sale, but the countdown timer is gone. Maybe JBL is just trying to clear out inventory so they can roll out the Studio 6's? BUY THEM WHILE YOU CAN, PEOPLE! I just got 2 more 520c's to use for Atmos after going back and seeing Molon's ceiling-mount method. I feel absoloutely disgusted at how many speakers are coming this week and next....a pair of 530's and three 520c's (one of which will be my temporary center until I can use the 590 that will go in the dedicated space if - and when - that ever comes to fruition). I have two 580's also on standby to be used in the eventual proper theater, which will be joined by the incoming 530's that have no planned use yet, either....

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What I'd like to do is figure out how to mount them onto the ceiling like @Molon_Labe did with his 520c's. Not sure if there is an option that doesn't mar the speaker, though.
I used screws which damaged the speaker finish. I honestly don't think there is any other way to safely mount them . If I were you, I would flip them over with compression driver down and screw them in from the bottom. The speaker will image fine inverted and it actually puts the compression driver more inline to the ear. Undoubtedly, you will probably have to discount them a bit if you ever decide to sell them but most buyers will give a hill of beans about holes in the bottom which are never seen. Its not like the 5 series has a beautiful cabinet/fit and finish to start with.

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I used side gripping wall mounts for my 530s with non slip foam for better grip. I also used higher strength velcro at the base for extra security. They ain’t going anywhere unless there’s a strong enough earthquake.


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Are you going to use stands for the 530's or attempt to wall mount them? The look like they would be wall mount unfriendly given there is no attachment point (a HUGE oversight by JBL) and the cabinet shape is irregular.
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I have 4x 530's tilted down and toed-in for heights on side-clamping wall mounts and put a teeny tiny screw into the bottom of the cabinet through the bottom plate of the mount. I had tried to secure them to the mounts with leather straps (thinking the non-slip material would be both gentle on the cabinet and provide decent grip) to avoid putting anything into the cabinet, but that looked ugly and didn't do much to keep them in place.

What I'd like to do is figure out how to mount them onto the ceiling like @Molon_Labe did with his 520c's. Not sure if there is an option that doesn't mar the speaker, though.
I am going to use stands. I have seen some information about keeping your bed layer of speakers the same height. So I was thinking 30” stands to clear my couch and just be under the 590 height.
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Now I wish Jbl would get the Studio 2 8IC in and put them on sale to complete my speakers. Sometime around March I plan on replacing my screen from a 120” to 135”.

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EDIT: It appears JBL's entire Cyber Monday sale is still live and might be for a few hours.

12:10am PST and they're still on sale, but the countdown timer is gone. Maybe JBL is just trying to clear out inventory so they can roll out the Studio 6's? BUY THEM WHILE YOU CAN, PEOPLE!

They are not rolling out the Studio 6's. They aren't coming to North America as far as JBL's current plans go. There is a new line coming for this region, the HDI series, and they are much more expensive than the Studio 5's. Supposedly, they have tweeters from the Synthesis line, not the older Studio series like the 6's for other regions. It seems like JBL is focusing more on up market product in the home audio arena since the down ticket market is so focused on soundbars and whatever comes out of their ear buds.



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I am going to use stands. I have seen some information about keeping your bed layer of speakers the same height. So I was thinking 30” stands to clear my couch and just be under the 590 height.
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You should make sure that the surrounds are actually just over seated head height. That way nobody's head will block sound from other viewers. You can always shim the 530's to aim downward a bit.

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So are they still discontinuing the Studio 5's if they aren't bringing the Studio 6's to NA? It seems that would leave a big gap price wise in their lineup.


Also, I thought the Studio 5's shared a compression driver design with the Synthesis line?

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So are they still discontinuing the Studio 5's if they aren't bringing the Studio 6's to NA? It seems that would leave a big gap price wise in their lineup.


Also, I thought the Studio 5's shared a compression driver design with the Synthesis line?

They are discontinuing the Studio 5's. They share a compression tweeter that is often used in their slightly older pro cinema speakers (some of those cinema models are still made), but the Series 5 design was "rescued" by one of the original Synthesis line creators (during the reign of the well regarded M2) before he left, so the Series 5 is often seen as the lower end of the Synthesis lineup.


The new Synthesis lineup uses a different kind of compression tweeter. They say it's much improved.
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If anybody loses out on finishing their Series 5 systems once they're gone from JBL and Harman's websites, they'll have to look at the various pro cinema speakers talked about in these threads (like the Control 328C or 227C or SCS8's or similar) or import the Series 6 from overseas if you're looking for timbre matched surrounds and/or overheads.

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He is talking about height speakers i.e. on the ceiling, not surrounds. If your going to run Atmos/DTS:X your bed channels should be ear level to provide enough separation between the sounds above you vs around you. If you are 5.1 or 7.1, you can have the surround speakers higher.
Sorry I was answering Dan he had asked if I was using stands. And I was just referring to keeping them under the 590 height. Though 30” stands my by a little higher than I need. I only have one row really with some side seating for over flow, so I really just need to clear my chair heights.
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Sorry I was answering Dan he had asked if I was using stands. And I was just referring to keeping them under the 590 height. Though 30” stands my by a little higher than I need. I only have one row really with some side seating for over flow, so I really just need to clear my chair heights.
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Sorry Allen, I missed that.

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I've had my Studio 530's for four days now. I've got them hooked up in a "tertiary" room (Loft) of my whole-home-audio system, driven by a *very* budget-friendly entry-level pioneer AVR I bought 6ish years ago, fed via a simple Chromecast audio...


And, for the money, these things are REALLY impressive. Count me as a newly-discovered JBL-horn-believer/disciple. They are a significant upgrade over the Polk bookshelves they have replaced...
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I've had my Studio 530's for four days now. I've got them hooked up in a "tertiary" room (Loft) of my whole-home-audio system, driven by a *very* budget-friendly entry-level pioneer AVR I bought 6ish years ago, fed via a simple Chromecast audio...


And, for the money, these things are REALLY impressive. Count me as a newly-discovered JBL-horn-believer/disciple. They are a significant upgrade over the Polk bookshelves they have replaced...
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I know a lot of people don’t like the 520c but it is in stock and on sale for a $140.00. At that price if I had to use a horizontal speaker I would by it and try it out.
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It depends on your other JBLs. The 520c only seems to work well with the 530's and maybe 580's. The 590's will overpower it.

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It depends on your other JBLs. The 520c only seems to work well with the 530's and maybe 580's. The 590's will overpower it.
I didn't have any issues. I used the 520c with both the 580 and 590 without any negative consequence. Granted, this was in my living room and I don't play at reference or above but I did have some spirited sessions. Greg Timbers designed it as well as all the other 5 series. I am sure he could have made it with larger drivers had it felt it necessary. I am curious though and this is for the all to answer. Has anyone blown one? Has anyone measured distortion in REW at higher volumes? Anyone heard it breaking up under heavy load? Like I stated earlier, I didn't detect any problems with it.

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I didn't have any issues. I used the 520c with both the 580 and 590 without any negative consequence. Granted, this was in my living room and I don't play at reference or above but I did have some spirited sessions. Greg Timbers designed it as well as all the other 5 series. I am sure he could have made it with larger drivers had it felt it necessary. I am curious though and this is for the all to answer. Has anyone blown one? Has anyone measured distortion in REW at higher volumes? Anyone heard it breaking up under heavy load? Like I stated earlier, I didn't detect any problems with it.
Timbers fixed the Series as best he could given the price point limitations JBL set for it and the mistakes made by the original designers.

He was not the engineer or true brains behind the Series 5. Be glad he stepped in because it could have been very disappointing.

That said, the 520c is not a good match with the 590's if you plan to play at louder than living room levels.

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I didn't have any issues. I used the 520c with both the 580 and 590 without any negative consequence. Granted, this was in my living room and I don't play at reference or above but I did have some spirited sessions. Greg Timbers designed it as well as all the other 5 series. I am sure he could have made it with larger drivers had it felt it necessary. I am curious though and this is for the all to answer. Has anyone blown one? Has anyone measured distortion in REW at higher volumes? Anyone heard it breaking up under heavy load? Like I stated earlier, I didn't detect any problems with it.
I've bought the 520C twice. At anything over about 85 dB, both of them started to sound "boxy" to me. I think that may be what Floyd Toole refers to as "cabinet resonance"? I'm not sure. But it wasn't distortion in the normal sense I think of that term. It was just enough to bug me, and I sold both.
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I was just referring to keeping them under the 590 height. Though 30” stands my by a little higher than I need.
I have my 530's on 30" stands and find they line up very nicely with my 590s in terms of the compression driver's height. The Sanus SF30 is a really nice steel stand, and you can fill the columns with sand to make them extra sturdy. It's a good bit more expensive than the wooden stands, but I feel a lot safer putting my 530's on top of them, and securing them with blue tack.
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Timbers fixed the Series as best he could given the price point limitations JBL set for it and the mistakes made by the original designers.

He was not the engineer or true brains behind the Series 5. Be glad he stepped in because it could have been very disappointing.

That said, the 520c is not a good match with the 590's if you plan to play at louder than living room levels.
So if not the 520c, what's the recommended center, besides a 590 lying on it's side?
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So if not the 520c, what's the recommended center, besides a 590 lying on it's side?

Nothing I've come across. That's the main Achilles heel with the Series 5, besides the lack of matching architectural and wall mount speakers and surrounds, and no easy way to wall mount the 530's.


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So if not the 520c, what's the recommended center, besides a 590 lying on it's side?
I've got the 520c with my 590s and I'm currently looking for something to replace the 520c as well. It's fine, really, most of the time. It definitely doesn't keep up with the 590s in terms of how effortless the 590s create a wall of sound, and I can't put my finger on it, but it tends to sound somewhat thin or hallow at times.

I'm currently looking at something from Chane or Emotiva to fill the gap.
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I've got the 520c with my 590s and I'm currently looking for something to replace the 520c as well. It's fine, really, most of the time. It definitely doesn't keep up with the 590s in terms of how effortless the 590s create a wall of sound, and I can't put my finger on it, but it tends to sound somewhat thin or hallow at times.

I'm currently looking at something from Chane or Emotiva to fill the gap.

That's not going to help your situation as the voicing for those planar tweeter speakers is so different from the Series 5. Timbre matching is critical, especially across the front. You may have to look at JBL's pro cinema offerings that have similar compression tweeters and see if anything will fit.

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That's not going to help your situation as the voicing for those planar tweeter speakers is so different from the Series 5. Timbre matching is critical, especially across the front. You may have to look at JBL's pro cinema offerings that have similar compression tweeters and see if anything will fit.
From what I saw in that line, it doesn't look like anything is remotely close to fitting into my room setup.

It has gotten to the point that the wife has even noticed the center lacking. This is defcon 1 as far as I'm concerned I think what will probably happen is if I find a center that we both love, the 590s will get replaced as well. Anything is possible when the wife can't hear Friends as well as she'd like.
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From what I saw in that line, it doesn't look like anything is remotely close to fitting into my room setup.

It has gotten to the point that the wife has even noticed the center lacking. This is defcon 1 as far as I'm concerned I think what will probably happen is if I find a center that we both love, the 590s will get replaced as well. Anything is possible when the wife can't hear Friends as well as she'd like.

I would look at Emotiva and their Airmotiv speakers then. I'm not as familiar with Chane, but I do remember that they've switched distributors and names more than once in the past. The Airmotiv's do get solid reviews and their bigger C2 center does get the nod for a more open and revealing sound to match their towers. Don't get the smaller C1 as it has a kind of congested, boxy sound at certain frequencies. If you must have a horizontal center that is.

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If anyone wants to try a 530 on it's side I have a single for sale

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It depends on your other JBLs. The 520c only seems to work well with the 530's and maybe 580's. The 590's will overpower it.
I was just saying at a $140.00:I would try it, I may self am lucky because I have 3 x 590 AT screen, but if my system was still in my living room I would have try the 520c or like someone else suggested try a 530 on its side.

I got my two sets of 530s last night but didn’t even take them out the box. I think I will do that tomorrow night will I watch the sec champion ship game.

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