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I scrolled quickly so I might have missed it but any word on the A4.4?

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I scrolled quickly so I might have missed it but any word on the A4.4?
Nice to see you here, Aus1095. The A4.5 design is approved. The new A1.5 and the A2.4 stock in approx 3 weeks and the A4.5 joins the following batch. Their ETA is in planning.

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Pre-ordering is available on the new A1.5s and the return A2.4! Special pricing, too!

Dare I ask (beg) Mr. Lane - any chance I can get a 5.0 bundle price on an A2.4 (center), 2x A5.4s (L/R), and a pair of the new A1.5s (surrounds)? If not, I understand - already great products for the price!
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The 1.5 is tempting but I will wait patiently for the on-wall speakers.
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Nice to see you here, Aus1095. The A4.5 design is approved. The new A1.5 and the A2.4 stock in approx 3 weeks and the A4.5 joins the following batch. Their ETA is in planning.
Oof. Been waiting nearly two years on the 4.5's! I guess we can't rush perfection! If you had to guess, will they likely be available by this holiday season?

Also, these will have a woofer (5"?) and a planar tweeter, correct? Any general guess as to the depth of the box (how far it would stick out from the wall if mounted flush)?
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Oof. Been waiting nearly two years on the 4.5's! I guess we can't rush perfection! If you had to guess, will they likely be available by this holiday season?



Also, these will have a woofer (5"?) and a planar tweeter, correct? Any general guess as to the depth of the box (how for it would stick out from the wall if mounted flush)?


The A4.5 is happening. Finally. There's no legit excuse for the delay. Though Chane certainly hasn't been the only victim of issues behind the scenes, that hasn't made the wait any easier on the palate. Regardless, Chane is in a very good and stable position in the market and always has been.

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The 1.5 is tempting but I will wait patiently for the on-wall speakers.
Ditto.
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I could only manage to procure funds for a new front 3, but I've pre-ordered my A2.4 center and pair of A5.4s, so I will soon be a proud Chane owner. A1.5s for surround duty (and maybe someday A4.5s for rear duty) are in the future.

Anyone interested in the A5.4s, Chane has a nice bundle with a pair of those speakers plus a pair of the HiVi X3, for only $21 more. Too good a deal to pass up, so I look forward to upgrading my computer speakers as well!

Now I look forward to rearranging my entire HT setup (I have to raise the TV to fit the incoming A2.4 underneath). I'll try to remember taking before and after pictures.

Thanks to all who have contributed to this forum with great info and advice!
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I could only manage to procure funds for a new front 3, but I've pre-ordered my A2.4 center and pair of A5.4s, so I will soon be a proud Chane owner. A1.5s for surround duty (and maybe someday A4.5s for rear duty) are in the future.



Anyone interested in the A5.4s, Chane has a nice bundle with a pair of those speakers plus a pair of the HiVi X3, for only $21 more. Too good a deal to pass up, so I look forward to upgrading my computer speakers as well!



Now I look forward to rearranging my entire HT setup (I have to raise the TV to fit the incoming A2.4 underneath). I'll try to remember taking before and after pictures.



Thanks to all who have contributed to this forum with great info and advice!
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Hi all, I had a quick question for the Chane A2.4 owners. How are you attaching them to stands? I really want to try out the A2.4s for my front setup, but they don’t seem to have a stand option or an obvious way to secure them to a stand, from the videos I’ve seen. I have a dedicated media room with no furniture up front to put them on, but also have two little kids that I want to keep safe. The A5.4s are a bit more than I’m looking to spend. The other option I’m considering, the Ascend 343s, seem to attach securely to custom stands, which can be filled with sand.

Can anyone alleviate my concern about using A2.4s around children and how I would securely attach them to a stand?
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I haven't tried to intentionally shake the speaker off, but you can pick up the stands and the speakers don't move.

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Hi all, I had a quick question for the Chane A2.4 owners. How are you attaching them to stands? I really want to try out the A2.4s for my front setup, but they don’t seem to have a stand option or an obvious way to secure them to a stand, from the videos I’ve seen. I have a dedicated media room with no furniture up front to put them on, but also have two little kids that I want to keep safe. The A5.4s are a bit more than I’m looking to spend. The other option I’m considering, the Ascend 343s, seem to attach securely to custom stands, which can be filled with sand.



Can anyone alleviate my concern about using A2.4s around children and how I would securely attach them to a stand?
These stands are used by a few other A2.4 owners and 2 of the 3 steel columns can be filled with sand or shot. That and some Blu Tack underneath the enclosures at all 4 corners should do the trick.
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These stands are used by a few other A2.4 owners and 2 of the 3 steel columns can be filled with sand or shot. That and some Blu Tack underneath the enclosures at all 4 corners should do the trick.
Available now in five heights – the 20” height comes with and additional 6” by 9” steel top plate for extra large speakers
I wouldn't go higher than the 24" with those speakers, otherwise you are dealing with top heavy issues...
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Hi all, I had a quick question for the Chane A2.4 owners. How are you attaching them to stands? I really want to try out the A2.4s for my front setup, but they don’t seem to have a stand option or an obvious way to secure them to a stand, from the videos I’ve seen. I have a dedicated media room with no furniture up front to put them on, but also have two little kids that I want to keep safe. The A5.4s are a bit more than I’m looking to spend. The other option I’m considering, the Ascend 343s, seem to attach securely to custom stands, which can be filled with sand.

Can anyone alleviate my concern about using A2.4s around children and how I would securely attach them to a stand?
Nothing the Ascends can do with stands that Chane's cant or any other speaker
@audiofreak38 had both Chane's A2.4 and Ascends
Phil liked the Chane's a lot more and has been very detailed as to the reason why

Both good speakers but according to Phil Chanes more lively, bigger soundstage, all around better
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Jon do I have to buy another set of towers or things coming soon? My money burning hole in my pocket
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Nothing the Ascends can do with stands that Chane's cant or any other speaker
@audiofreak38 had both Chane's A2.4 and Ascends
Phil liked the Chane's a lot more and has been very detailed as to the reason why

Both good speakers but according to Phil Chanes more lively, bigger soundstage, all around better
I would just like to see a wall and ceiling mountable surround that isn't a compromise. Some of us need the slim form due to small rooms but would like to keep the same extension and crossover on all speakers. I'm waiting for the A4.5 and I hope it can reach into the 60Hz range because an 80Hz crossover is the goal. Many speakers can just barely make this and they end up pushing themselves too hard. Emotiva, Axiom, PSA, and a few others do have some options, but overall this is an area that is lacking in choices compared to the bookshelf and floorstanding speaker market and I have faith Jon can deliver.
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Maybe we should talk - based on your adventures one or both of our two large new towers could be right in your zone. Contact me privately and if you want, we could see about holding you over with some prototypes - they're already in the state. Production is just about ready to begin but the ETA is still pending.

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I would just like to see a wall and ceiling mountable surround that isn't a compromise. Some of us need the slim form due to small rooms but would like to keep the same extension and crossover on all speakers. I'm waiting for the A4.5 and I hope it can reach into the 60Hz range because an 80Hz crossover is the goal...this is an area that is lacking in choices compared to the bookshelf and floorstanding speaker market and I have faith Jon can deliver.
The 45-50Hz bass reflex A1.x models are limited to the 85dB class, which is typical for ~10 liter tunings. The A4.5 is a 5.25" system that's smaller than the A1.x models but because of that and its sealed operation it's limited to 75hz onwall.

There is a flattened pro-style onwall in our future. It'll be a substantial 6.5" system in another series but at 90+dB nominal it's about a 75Hz box. A stand monitor version of it adds about 10Hz but because of the larger box it's not strictly an onwall. That may be your best option, provided flying them on hefty brackets is possible.

A true 60Hz onwall in a 6.5" speaker with excellent sensitivity calls for 20 liters or more - internally it's a large stand monitor. Flattened it'll grow to about 2' tall and a foot wide, but if you can forego that extra 20Hz a lot of options open up...
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The 45-50Hz bass reflex A1.x models are limited to the 85dB class, which is typical for ~10 liter tunings. The A4.5 is a 5.25" system that's smaller than the A1.x models but because of that and its sealed operation it's limited to 75hz onwall.

There is a flattened pro-style onwall in our future. It'll be a substantial 6.5" system in another series but at 90+dB nominal it's about a 75Hz box. A stand monitor version of it adds about 10Hz but because of the larger box it's not strictly an onwall. That may be your best option, provided flying them on hefty brackets is possible.

A true 60Hz onwall in a 6.5" speaker with excellent sensitivity calls for 20 liters or more - internally it's a large stand monitor. Flattened it'll grow to about 2' tall and a foot wide, but if you can forego that extra 20Hz a lot of options open up...


Well, let's be clear; one could deviate from these parameters by maybe 5% (deeper bass OR higher sensitivity) while keeping the same cabinet volume IF they were permitted to have poorly (under) damped bass or other untreated peaks in the response. But you've tuned them as if somebody is going to be listening to music in a critical manner with them.

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The 45-50Hz bass reflex A1.x models are limited to the 85dB class, which is typical for ~10 liter tunings. The A4.5 is a 5.25" system that's smaller than the A1.x models but because of that and its sealed operation it's limited to 75hz onwall.

There is a flattened pro-style onwall in our future. It'll be a substantial 6.5" system in another series but at 90+dB nominal it's about a 75Hz box. A stand monitor version of it adds about 10Hz but because of the larger box it's not strictly an onwall. That may be your best option, provided flying them on hefty brackets is possible.

A true 60Hz onwall in a 6.5" speaker with excellent sensitivity calls for 20 liters or more - internally it's a large stand monitor. Flattened it'll grow to about 2' tall and a foot wide, but if you can forego that extra 20Hz a lot of options open up...
Is it feasible to use passive radiators to improve low frequency output on these smaller on-wall designs? Or does the wall proximity create a problem?

Obviously not on the back, but maybe on the top/bottom?
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Well, let's be clear; one could deviate from these parameters by maybe 5% (deeper bass OR higher sensitivity) while keeping the same cabinet volume IF they were permitted to have poorly (under) damped bass or other untreated peaks in the response. But you've tuned them as if somebody is going to be listening to music in a critical manner with them.

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That's what I'm going to use them for when I can order some. My big ass BIC PL-66's I currently use as surrounds cross over at 80HZ but those thing's are really huge with a passive radiator on one side as well. Mostly I cross my effects speakers over at 100-120HZ. Or the Denon does. Those PL-66's are actually great effects and multi channel music speakers but too big for many smaller room setups. No WAF either I assume.
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Obviously not on the back, but maybe on the top/bottom?
A drone simply tunes a bass reflex system with a membrane instead of an air mass. The net effect is close enough to be interchangeable, so there's no gain in terms of F3.

Backing up to the A1.x and A4.5 models, the latter is sealed because it assumes a standard 2nd order highpass at 80Hz. If the terms can be relaxed, a 4th order bass reflex system - tuned port or drone - gets to 60Hz a lot easier and may have more sensitivity, especially if we grow it to 6.5" and closer to twice the net internal volume.

The question is how do we want to reach 60Hz, and what should be our response shape (and sensitivity). The relatively small A4.5 will serve users of any of the A models in front and center roles when they want an affordable, easy-to-place onwall for the effects channels. Adding sensitivity and 20Hz requires a much larger system, acoustically-speaking, which calls for another series.

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A drone simply tunes a bass reflex system with a membrane instead of an air mass. The net effect is close enough to be interchangeable, so there's no gain in terms of F3.
It was my understanding that designs using passive radiators can achieve bass that would normally require a larger cabinet if using bass reflex. My understanding is likely incomplete, but that is what I'm seeing out there today, anyway, in designs from Vanatoo and Buchardt.

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Backing up to the A1.x and A4.5 models, the latter is sealed because it assumes a standard 2nd order highpass at 80Hz. If the terms can be relaxed, a 4th order bass reflex system - tuned port or drone - gets to 60Hz a lot easier and may have more sensitivity, especially if we grow it to 6.5" and closer to twice the net internal volume.
This begs the question: if my AVR uses 24dB/octave Linkwitz-Riley crossover filters, and I cross over to subwoofers between 80-100Hz (depending on what room modes I'm trying to smooth) what is ideal, sealed or vented speakers?

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It was my understanding that designs using passive radiators can achieve bass that would normally require a larger cabinet if using bass reflex. My understanding is likely incomplete, but that is what I'm seeing out there...
Depending on goals, reflex tunings can vary in volume by quite a bit but a universal rule about them is prevented by the complex family of parameters and tunings. The SB17NAC35-8, for example, likes between about 24 and 27 liters depending on those goals, tuned port or drone.

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if my AVR uses 24dB/octave Linkwitz-Riley crossover filters, and I cross over to subwoofers between 80-100Hz (depending on what room modes I'm trying to smooth) what is ideal, sealed or vented speakers?
If I'm not mistaken, a standard AVR highpass is 12dB @ 80Hz. Add to it a sealed speaker of the same function to derive a complimentary sum that matches the typical sub's lowpass. The typical goal is a LR4 @ 80Hz.

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If I'm not mistaken, a standard AVR highpass is 12dB @ 80Hz. Add to it a sealed speaker of the same function to derive a complimentary sum that matches the typical sub's lowpass. The typical goal is a LR4 @ 80Hz.
Yeah, that's typical. The NAD AVRs are different, though: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...l#post55026238

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A drone simply tunes a bass reflex system with a membrane instead of an air mass. The net effect is close enough to be interchangeable, so there's no gain in terms of F3.

Backing up to the A1.x and A4.5 models, the latter is sealed because it assumes a standard 2nd order highpass at 80Hz. If the terms can be relaxed, a 4th order bass reflex system - tuned port or drone - gets to 60Hz a lot easier and may have more sensitivity, especially if we grow it to 6.5" and closer to twice the net internal volume.

The question is how do we want to reach 60Hz, and what should be our response shape (and sensitivity). The relatively small A4.5 will serve users of any of the A models in front and center roles when they want an affordable, easy-to-place onwall for the effects channels. Adding sensitivity and 20Hz requires a much larger system, acoustically-speaking, which calls for another series.


I'll add that omitting the port is really beneficial for speakers that are tuned closer to the 80hz THX cutoff frequency. This is because, even with a 24dB/octave rolloff, the pos phase inversion from the ports output below the resonate tuning frequency can cause some whacky in-room performance. It can also cause some unnecessarily aggressive EQ to be applied in the passband depending on the version of Audyssey being used, the room, the number of measurement locations in the listening area, etc.

Going sealed not only nets a more shallow rolloff, but it also makes integration into the rest of the system vastly easier.


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Thinking more about this...users will see the following combinations depending on their equipment:

AVR Speaker Total Slope
12 Sealed/12 24dB
24 Sealed/12 36dB
12 Ported/24 36dB
24 Ported/24 48dB

On top of this, I can switch my sub from 12dB to 24dB if I'm not getting enough upper rolloff.

What becomes clear is if the goal is to have an equal slope on either side of your crossover, all of your speakers should be the same type. That means if I have a 24dB/oct AVR, I want ported speakers. Am I interpreting this correctly?

However, since I don't run my speakers full range, choosing my own crossover instead, speaker type may not matter. So, all that should matter is my AVR at 24dB and my subs should be set to the matching 24dB. Right? I think I've logic'd my way through this, and having bass reflex mains and sealed surrounds shouldn't produce a conflict.
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Hi all, I had a quick question for the Chane A2.4 owners. How are you attaching them to stands? I really want to try out the A2.4s for my front setup, but they don’t seem to have a stand option or an obvious way to secure them to a stand, from the videos I’ve seen. I have a dedicated media room with no furniture up front to put them on, but also have two little kids that I want to keep safe. The A5.4s are a bit more than I’m looking to spend. The other option I’m considering, the Ascend 343s, seem to attach securely to custom stands, which can be filled with sand.

Can anyone alleviate my concern about using A2.4s around children and how I would securely attach them to a stand?

I hang my 2.4's from the ceiling in order to keep them safe from the little ones.
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