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Well, I decided to work from home today because these were being delivered. I hooked them up and let them play for a few hours in the background while I worked. I did not run YPAO, I just used the settings from the KEF's. Set to small, crossed over at 80hz, Tonight I put them through some paces. Dire Straits Sultans of Swing, Some Bob Marley, Vivaldi and some Tool. These speakers are amazing, my wife was grinning ear to ear. I have owned many speakers in the last 20 years. most recently:
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The Chanes are amazing. Wide soundstage and crystal clear highs without any fatigue. The low end is like nothing I have heard from a small bookshelf. Mine are paired with SVS PB 1000. I can't wait until they break in and I get to spend more time with these bad boys. I appreciate the help on here,

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Anyone have any thoughts on pros and cons of the Chane A2.4 vs Ascend Acoustic Sierra
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Well, I decided to work from home today because these were being delivered. I hooked them up and let them play for a few hours in the background while I worked. I did not run YPAO, I just used the settings from the KEF's. Set to small, crossed over at 80hz, Tonight I put them through some paces. Dire Straits Sultans of Swing, Some Bob Marley, Vivaldi and some Tool. These speakers are amazing, my wife was grinning ear to ear. I have owned many speakers in the last 20 years. most recently:
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Paradigm mini monitor

Various Klipsch


The Chanes are amazing. Wide soundstage and crystal clear highs without any fatigue. The low end is like nothing I have heard from a small bookshelf. Mine are paired with SVS PB 1000. I can't wait until they break in and I get to spend more time with these bad boys. I appreciate the help on here,


Between us girls, they'll run with the LS 50 in a general sense. They put a good amount less treble energy into the room than the KEFs, which can be slightly aggressive in this regard, but the imaging is really superb on the A1.5.


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Check this thread - a head-to-head comparison. The considerably more affordable Chane A2.4s fared quite well.
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Question for @Jon Lane

I may be getting larger subwoofers and might need to use them as speaker stands. Can I place my A5.4 left/right mains upside down? This would put the tweeters at seated listener height on the subs. If this is a bad idea sonically then I may need to downsize the mains to a bookshelf model.

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Question for @Jon Lane

I may be getting larger subwoofers and might need to use them as speaker stands. Can I place my A5.4 left/right mains upside down? This would put the tweeters at seated listener height on the subs. If this is a bad idea sonically then I may need to downsize the mains to a bookshelf model.

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Predefining where your subs are going to go in the room is almost always a mistake. You need to have some flexibility in placement to get the best from them. There is no reason that the mains need to be compromised in order to include subs. See this for lots of good sub placement options:

https://www.aperionaudio.com/blogs/a...-for-your-home

Why compromise both your subs and your mains with this scheme?

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Question for @Jon Lane

I may be getting larger subwoofers and might need to use them as speaker stands. Can I place my A5.4 left/right mains upside down? This would put the tweeters at seated listener height on the subs. If this is a bad idea sonically then I may need to downsize the mains to a bookshelf model.

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Absolutely do not try this. Good luck on sub placement hunting
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I may be getting larger subwoofers and might need to use them as speaker stands. Can I place my A5.4 left/right mains upside down? This would put the tweeters at seated listener height on the subs.
It's been done before and it's said to be an acceptable option. Conventional wisdom says that since a vertical driver stack has good horizontal uniformity, it will have little relevance vertically, which means that flipping it end for end won't have much downside.

I'd add that an inverted, multiple-woofer tower like an A5 will no longer mirror midbass energy against the floor to smooth its response - woofers up in the center of the room come closer to being equi-distant from floor and ceiling so response suffers somewhat. Some may find that problematic.

Putting the tweeter end of the speaker directly against another piece of furniture also creates new and unwanted reflections on the treble end of the scale, so the overall effect isn't ideal there either. Crossover and geometry-induced vertical directivity also change somewhat but won't be considered as important.

It's been done but aside from the cost of having to replace the speaker, ideally it's probably something to avoid.

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It's been done before and it's said to be an acceptable option. Conventional wisdom says that since a vertical driver stack has good horizontal uniformity, it will have little relevance vertically, which means that flipping it end for end won't have much downside.

I'd add that an inverted, multiple-woofer tower like an A5 will no longer mirror midbass energy against the floor to smooth its response - woofers up in the center of the room come closer to being equi-distant from floor and ceiling so response suffers somewhat. Some may find that problematic.

Putting the tweeter end of the speaker directly against another piece of furniture also creates new and unwanted reflections on the treble end of the scale, so the overall effect isn't ideal there either. Changes due to crossover and geometry-induced vertical directivity also change somewhat but won't be considered as important.

It's been done but aside from the cost of having to replace the speaker, ideally it's probably something to avoid.
Thank you very much Jon for your helpful and detailed response, I expected no less from you! I'll rearrange the theater room as needed to keep my A5.4's positioned as is where they sound phenomenal.

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Question about A1.5

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I'm looking to upgrade my HT in my large living room (open floor plan with kitchen, living, dining and entry, all in about 40x40, main living area about 19x19, 8 foot ceilings all around). I've researched and discussed extensively, and this is not a question about what speakers I need to actually fill my area with sound (need bigger towers, very large speakers, more power, etc; none of these are options right now).

However, I have my speaker choice narrowed down to a few, the A1.5 being a top contender. What worries me is the sensitivity. My receiver is a Yamaha RX-V683. To be completely honest, I've really struggled understanding power specs. Basically, if my use is 80/20 HT/Music and I'm running a 5.1 system off this receiver (A1.5 as LR), will I have enough power to get the 1.5's loud? I don't have a need for blistering levels, but enough to hear music around the house and to add some excitement to movies.

Really I just want to make sure that if I boost the levels on the A1.5 to where it sounds good that I won't have issues with my receiver. Anyone had issues with the low sensitivity?

Add on question - I've seen so many good reviews about the A1.4, but not a whole lot on the 1.5 since it was just released. Any obvious negatives or massive improvements to note?

Thanks for all of your help in advance!
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That receiver is not a powerhouse, but it's not a wimp, either. 90 watts, with 2 channels driven, is probably about the same as most mid-level receivers (who claim 100+ watts, a negligible difference).

Whether it will work for you at 40 feet away is another issue, if you want to listen LOUD at that distance. You would be better off with speakers placed in the other area, so you will not have to drive them so hard to get the volume levels you may want. This is easy with zone 2 capability in the receiver.

There are no guarantees. One man's loud is another man's normal listening level. I would just try it and see. What, maybe $30 to return if dissatisfied? Money well spent, IMO, to be sure you are getting something you can live with for the long term.

1.5 is pretty much the same as 1.4, with minor improvements. This speaker has gotten great reviews during it's many year progression to the 1.5. There is zero reason to assume it has now, all of a sudden, become crap.

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I'm looking to upgrade my HT in my large living room (open floor plan with kitchen, living, dining and entry, all in about 40x40, main living area about 19x19, 8 foot ceilings all around).

Really I just want to make sure that if I boost the levels on the A1.5 to where it sounds good that I won't have issues with my receiver. Anyone had issues with the low sensitivity?

Add on question - I've seen so many good reviews about the A1.4, but not a whole lot on the 1.5 since it was just released. Any obvious negatives or massive improvements to note?
Check my signature for a review of the A1.5s (right at the end of the thread is a stand-alone review), or you can see a smaller portion of it on the Chane website (JS review). Better yet, check out posts No. 4416 by @rhelliott2 and 4621 by @Bigbirney in this thread, who recently upgraded to A1.5s and call them superior to a whole host of other bookshelves they've owned.

I note your space is huge. For comparison purposes, my family room is 15x18x8.5 (2300 cubic feet) but opens to a kitchen area which adds another 2600 cubic feet. As I discuss in my review, I recently tried the A1.5s as L/R in 2.0 and was quite impressed by their ability to fill the space with sound. I'm running off an Onkyo TX-RZ620 (100 wpc, 2 ch driven), so slightly more power than you might have. And I did have to turn the volume know up a bit relative to the A5.4 towers. But not to some ridiculous level. My AVR doesn't do (-dB) measurements from reference, it just runs 0-100. With the A5.4s, in 2.0, I have never pushed volume over 70 (it gets scary loud!). With the A1.5s in 2.0, I pushed volume at 60-70 and it was more than enough to fill the space. I can't imagine what going up to 80 would produce...

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Check my signature for a review of the A1.5s (right at the end of the thread is a stand-alone review), or you can see a smaller portion of it on the Chane website (JS review). Better yet, check out posts No. 4416 by @rhelliott2 and 4621 by @Bigbirney in this thread, who recently upgraded to A1.5s and call them superior to a whole host of other bookshelves they've owned.

I note your space is huge. For comparison purposes, my family room is 15x18x8.5 (2300 cubic feet) but opens to a kitchen area which adds another 2600 cubic feet. As I discuss in my review, I recently tried the A1.5s as L/R in 2.0 and was quite impressed by their ability to fill the space with sound. I'm running off an Onkyo TX-RZ620 (100 wpc, 2 ch driven), so slightly more power than you might have. And I did have to turn the volume know up a bit relative to the A5.4 towers. But not to some ridiculous level. My AVR doesn't do (-dB) measurements from reference, it just runs 0-100. With the A5.4s, in 2.0, I have never pushed volume over 70 (it gets scary loud!). With the A1.5s in 2.0, I pushed volume at 60-70 and it was more than enough to fill the space. I can't imagine what going up to 80 would produce...
Sorry, don't mean to change the subject,,,, but your Onkyo should have a volume display option in the menu setting,,, just adjust to "relative" if your interested,,,,, "0" will then be reference. Cheers!
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Sorry, don't mean to change the subject,,,, but your Onkyo should have a volume display option in the menu setting,,, just adjust to "relative" if your interested,,,,, "0" will then be reference. Cheers!
I've looked for this setting on every menu and in the advance manual, and I don't believe it is an option on my AVR. I don't know why - it seems more useful to display relative volume, especially when sharing settings with others, and every other AVR brand operates this way...

If you (or anybody else here) know how to do this on an Onkyo TX-RZ620, please let me know...there's nothing about it in a google search, either...
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I've looked for this setting on every menu and in the advance manual, and I don't believe it is an option on my AVR. I don't know why - it seems more useful to display relative volume, especially when sharing settings with others, and every other AVR brand operates this way...

If you (or anybody else here) know how to do this on an Onkyo TX-RZ620, please let me know...there's nothing about it in a google search, either...
Under "audio" then "volume" then "scale" is that not there anywhere? It's been a while since i had my Integra set up but Onkyo has always had that relative option as far as i know. Found my old Integra instruction manual, hopefully similar to your Onkyo,,,,,,,, in your menu scroll down and select the "miscellaneous" option then "volume set up" should be right there.

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Question for @Jon Lane

I may be getting larger subwoofers and might need to use them as speaker stands. Can I place my A5.4 left/right mains upside down? This would put the tweeters at seated listener height on the subs. If this is a bad idea sonically then I may need to downsize the mains to a bookshelf model.

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I have Chane's across the front - A5.4s LR and A2.4 center. I also have (had...) 2 subs placed into the corners (I have only 2 corners available at the front of the room due to great room constraints). A couple of days ago I got my UMIC-1 and started playing with REW. I learned that two subs DON'T always play well together - I had substantial nulls, and peaks, that I could not "position" away. Turns out my room response was much better with only one sub, so now I have an expensive heavy end table...
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^^ If you want the extra headroom and/or output capability of the two subs, even if you can't position them for a smoother response, just colocate them. You can stack them vertically or move the first one half its width to the left or right and place the new one immediately to the other side. Should result in almost identical response with 3-6 dB more headroom.

It sounds like you may have already divested yourself of the extra sub, but if not it can be more than just an expensive end table.

Edit: With regard to positioning, you need not limit yourself to room corners only - unless WAF or aesthetic issues so dictate.

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^^ If you want the extra headroom and/or output capability of the two subs, even if you can't position them for a smoother response, just colocate them. You can stack them vertically or move the first one half its width to the left or right and place the new one immediately to the other side. Should result in almost identical response with 3-6 dB more headroom.

It sounds like you may have already divested yourself of the extra sub, but if not it can be more than just an expensive end table.

Edit: With regard to positioning, you need not limit yourself to room corners only - unless WAF or aesthetic issues so dictate.

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My room is really, really difficult. Other than the two front corners, no other place is even possible due to furniture and hall ways. I actually did stack the non-identical subs to see what the scans looked like. My "big" sub is the SVS PB12 NSB front firing. Old sub is a down-firing HSU VTF-1. The Hsu has to go on top of the SVS due to footprint and weight (I can't lift the SVS...) That arrangement DID give me essentially duplicate, and acceptable, scans. It also gives me a 4' stack in the corner. I'm not sure I need the extra headroom, but I might see if the wife approves and if I can run another 25' sub cable around the house.
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Under "audio" then "volume" then "scale" is that not there anywhere? It's been a while since i had my Integra set up but Onkyo has always had that relative option as far as i know. Found my old Integra instruction manual, hopefully similar to your Onkyo,,,,,,,, in your menu scroll down and select the "miscellaneous" option then "volume set up" should be right there.
Under Audio Adjust, then under Volume, the only options are
Mute Level
Max Volume (0-100)
Power On Volume
Headphone Level

I spent a long time looking for this option online and in the manual, and some time on the Onkyo RZ owners thread, and it doesn't seem to be an option on these newer AVRs. No matter. I just tell folks I typically max out at 70/100, and that gets the gist across.
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Under Audio Adjust, then under Volume, the only options are
Mute Level
Max Volume (0-100)
Power On Volume
Headphone Level

I spent a long time looking for this option online and in the manual, and some time on the Onkyo RZ owners thread, and it doesn't seem to be an option on these newer AVRs. No matter. I just tell folks I typically max out at 70/100, and that gets the gist across.
Lets not plug up the Chane thread with this,,,,, post this over on the Onkyo thread if you haven't yet as you will get some good help and confirmation likely there. Cheers!

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My "big" sub is the SVS PB12 NSB front firing. Old sub is a down-firing HSU VTF-1.
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With disparate subs and different firing directions, you may have had phase issues causing your poor frequency response. Maybe . . .

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I might see if the wife approves and if I can run another 25' sub cable around the house.
Just use a Y connector at the end of the line you already have.



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